Is GA Acting or has he really changed?

[Rhyme & Reason]

I agree with most of your post, except the part bolded by me. He may lack a spine but can anyone point out to me in his interviews with LE and in his testimony at any prior hearing, when George lied? Cause' I don't think he did.

Also, if he lied at GJ to protect his kid, would casey be on trial today? I remember the look on his face before and after the GJ testimony and the statements by his attorney that he loved his daughter and stood by her but had to tell the truth.


Also, for those who feel he may be working for the defense, if that was the case, why wouldn't he just admit to molesting her and helping to dispose of Caylee?

Regarding your last sentence. If he admits it then he would probably go to jail too.

The way they are playing it now, ICA accuses, GA denies, there's no proof & it creates reasonable doubt with at least one juror.

JMO!

 

[logicalgirl]

I dont understand why JB doesnt try and discredit GA by asking him about his sleeping around behind his wife's back. I am sure the state would object but it is relevant to establish the character of the witness.

I think we have Gitana1 up thread and she can correct me if I am wrong, but this is the SA's "turn" if you know what I mean. The SA is putting on this case. So the Defense can't question George about something that hasn't been brought up into court yet.

I suppose when the Defense is putting on their case, they can recall George and ask him that question, with testimony from Skye(?) first. I'm not sure what good it would do because it isn't George who is on trial, it is ICA. So I don't believe George's alleged infidelities have anything to do with ICA killing Caylee.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Regarding your last sentence. If he admits it then he would probably go to jail too.

The way they are playing it now, ICA accuses, GA denies, there's no proof & it creates reasonable doubt with at least one juror.

JMO!

Isnt it true, MR A that you molested you daughter?

No, sir, it isnt true.

Isnt it true that you slept around behind your wife's back and lied about it until you were caught, so why should we believe anything you have to say today, Mr A?


I have no further questions for this witness, your Honor.

 

[Baznme]

One thing I have a problem with was GA having the pin on his collar, made me think do you and CA still think the A's are above the law.

IMO, putting it into perspective, because it's a small pin with Caylee's face, I think anyone with a heart should accept that. Tells me he's there for her, no one else.

 

[Baznme]

Isnt it true, MR A that you molested you daughter?

No, sir, it isnt true.

Isnt it true that you slept around behind your wife's back and lied about it until you were caught, so why should we believe anything you have to say today, Mr A?


I have no further questions for this witness, your Honor.

Even the woman in question stated they had never slept together so I don't know where that came from?

 

[logicalgirl]

Regarding your last sentence. If he admits it then he would probably go to jail too.

The way they are playing it now, ICA accuses, GA denies, there's no proof & it creates reasonable doubt with at least one juror.

JMO!

From what I understand, those allegations were made in the opening statements, and as yet, are not entered into evidence. Since the Defense Team cannot use professional expert witnesses such as Psychologists in the guilt phase, the only evidence the DT can offer is ICA's testimony,

Then it would be George's word against ICA. And Ms England testifies in court that ICA herself said "I'm such a good liar."

So with all the other lies ICA has told that will be coming in as evidence, such as the Nanny, the job, etc. etc., just who do you believe the jury will believe?

Not ICA.

 

[gitana1]

I dont understand why JB doesnt try and discredit GA by asking him about his sleeping around behind his wife's back. I am sure the state would object but it is relevant to establish the character of the witness.

JB did bring up his supposed affair. But it is not relevant, and does not discredit him, IMO.

George was under a huge amount of stress. He is a henpecked husband whose wife demanded he stand by casey to the point of saying ridiculous things to the media like: "There was no body in that trunk!" But from the beginning, you could see his ambivalence about casey. He told the police he felt she was hiding something. he admitted to them that her car reeked of death. He told them about how she tried to keep him away from her car by running past him and angrily shoving the gas cans at him when he tried to see whether she stole them or not, etc., etc. He was dealing with a wife who was in deep, angry denial, even denying that Cayelee was even dead, such that he had no one he could express his fears and doubts to, all the while that he was feeling torn between love for his daughter and his love for Caylee. It's a greek tragedy and I can understand it if he sought refuge with someone else at such a time. It's not great but it does not prove him to be a liar.

Personally I thought GA had some heavy duty medication going on.
The jury has a tough job. They have to decide between 2 known liars which one is more believable.

What evidence has the jury seen that shows George is a "known liar"?

Regarding your last sentence. If he admits it then he would probably go to jail too.

The way they are playing it now, ICA accuses, GA denies, there's no proof & it creates reasonable doubt with at least one juror.

JMO!

That's a good point. But I remember him on the stand saying he would lie for her, die for her, anything. His testimony in this trial is helping to convict her, to set her free so how on earth is he working for the defense? He seems outraged, sick at heart, in despair and horrified by her allegations - in a word, credible. This does not help casey. It could lead to her getting the needle.

 

[logicalgirl]

Regarding your last sentence. If he admits it then he would probably go to jail too.

The way they are playing it now, ICA accuses, GA denies, there's no proof & it creates reasonable doubt with at least one juror.

JMO!

So far ICA hasn't accused him, her lawyer has, in his opening statements, which are not evidence. ICA will have to get up on the stand for this accusation to become evidence. The jury will be instructed to consider only the evidence presented in this trial.

 

[txsvicki]

I'm also wondering if George and Baez were acting. It seemed like Baez wanted everyone afraid that George was going to shove him or something when filling in the calender. Baez acted a little confused at times, and I believe that was a total act. George also said "Caylee was gone". I almost fainted when he said that. It wasn't the way he should have answered. IMO, George has problems, but he didn't act appropriately during questioning. It could have been an act just to show how he carries on and gets all bent out of shape. He'll probably be yelling before it's all over with.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

JB did bring up his supposed affair. But it is not relevant, and does not discredit him, IMO.

George was under a huge amount of stress. He is a henpecked husband whose wife demanded he stand by casey to the point of saying ridiculous things to the media like: "There was no body in that trunk!" But from the beginning, you could see his ambivalence about casey. He told the police he felt she was hiding something. he admitted to them that her car reeked of death. He told them about how she tried to keep him away from her car by running past him and angrily shoving the gas cans at him when he tried to see whether she stole them or not, etc., etc. He was dealing with a wife who was in deep, angry denial, even denying that Cayelee was even dead, such that he had no one he could express his fears and doubts to, all the while that he was feeling torn between love for his daughter and his love for Caylee. It's a greek tragedy and I can understand it if he sought refuge with someone else at such a time. It's not great but it does not prove him to be a liar.



What evidence has the jury seen that shows George is a "known liar"?



That's a good point. But I remember him on the stand saying he would lie for her, die for her, anything. His testimony in this trial is helping to convict her, to set her free so how on earth is he working for the defense? He seems outraged, sick at heart, in despair and horrified by her allegations - in a word, credible. This does not help casey. It could lead to her getting the needle.

I have much respect for you, your opinions, your knowledge...but I just disagree with you on this one.

GA & the defense are putting on an act. GA & JB truly seem to me to be acting, and badly at that. I really can't explain it.

I think they are just trying to create confusion, therefore reasonable doubt.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

So far ICA hasn't accused him, her lawyer has, in his opening statements, which are not evidence. ICA will have to get up on the stand for this accusation to become evidence. The jury will be instructed to consider only the evidence presented in this trial.

As I said above, I believe they are trying to create confusion & reasonable doubt. That's all they need, right?

 

[Searchfortruth]

I can't put too much faith in George, or any of them (trust but verify). I would love it if George has decided to be truthful for Caylee, and I hope this is the case.

 

[miabellamoure]

I dont understand why JB doesnt try and discredit GA by asking him about his sleeping around behind his wife's back. I am sure the state would object but it is relevant to establish the character of the witness.

I doubt GA's (alleged?) infidelity will be a crucial factor in his credibility as a witness however...his daughter's promiscuity might be.

ps. and...I'm not saying ICA's sexuality was anything abnormal for her age group BUT, the fact that her sleep overs with these men included her child and sometimes in the same room and even the same bed...definitely not what I would call good mothering.

 

[gitana1]

I have much respect for you, your opinions, your knowledge...but I just disagree with you on this one.

GA & the defense are putting on an act. GA & JB truly seem to me to be acting, and badly at that. I really can't explain it.

I think they are just trying to create confusion, therefore reasonable doubt.

GA's not acting any different than he ever has - angry, anguished, saddened, defensive, irritated. Seems like the real GA to me - at least the real GA since this horrid tragedy has occurred.

I respect your opinion but respectfully, I don't understand what you are seeing.

You know, I have noticed throughout this case that anyone possibly associated with supporting casey has been viewed with suspicion. TL has been accused as being cocky and arrogant, probably in part because he said she was a good mom. LA as being flippant and too in love with his sister (which may be true), CA as an evil liar instead of an anguished and confused grandma and mother, losing her mind and in ridiculous denial, her friends accused as immature when they stated casey was a good mom, and CA and GA's attorneys as diabolical creeps. I remember especially all the insults about Mark Nejame, his looks, etc. when he was defending the Anthony's desire to support their daughter.

It's understandable. casey and her parents and her brother have all acted bizarrely and have infuriated those of us who are outraged by this case and what happened to Caylee. But, I think the outrage can sometimes color how we view all the players involved, and sometimes unfairly.

The fact is that George's statements to LE and to the grand jury led to his daughter being arrested and charged with first degree murder. That is a fact. Yes, he later made bizarre statements to the media, to protesters and in depositions, including obvious lies, but he has never lied to the court or to LE. And his bizarre and infuriating behavior is understandable to me. He could not face the fact that not only was his granddaughter dead, but that the daughter he loved likely killed her.

But many of us do not accept any excuse. Caylee's little body rotted in his daughter's trunk and she threw her away like garbage into a swamp so anyone who stand up for her is evil.

So now that GA is going back to what he always said to LE and to the court - the truth - some of us may continue to view him as the enemy. That, IMO may be why some feel he is acting or working for the defense.

My years of dealing with witnesses and testimony and trials as well as my cultural training to be aware and to spot quickly who is the charlatan or who is the mark, or who is dangerous, simply tell me he is being truthful. :twocents:

 

[seekingjustice**]

I think George did a fantastic job on the stand today. I could see how much contempt he has for JB, and it must of taken a lot of self control for George not to punch JB in the face, when he got down from the witness stand to write on the whiteboard.

I loved how he turned the questioning around on JB . It made him look even more bumbling and inefficient than he is.

IMO George is being honest and is not going to let JB get away with using him as the scapeboat.

 

[Della]

I honestly believe JB and GA are play acting. As Geraldo said on "O'Reilly this week Baez has to muddy the waters in order to get his client off death row. I am confident GA & CA will do anything to save their daughter and this plan is the only way they can save her life. If the jurors fall for this scheme Casey will be a free woman and Baez will have won his place (deceptively) in the Orlando legal arena. He will not win the respect of other attorneys but will certainly drum up business from lots of murderers and criminals. What a sad way to earn a living.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

GA's not acting any different than he ever has - angry, anguished, saddened, defensive, irritated. Seems like the real GA to me - at least the real GA since this horrid tragedy has occurred.

I respect your opinion but respectfully, I don't understand what you are seeing.

You know, I have noticed throughout this case that anyone possibly associated with supporting casey has been viewed with suspicion. TL has been accused as being cocky and arrogant, probably in part because he said she was a good mom. LA as being flippant and too in love with his sister (which may be true), CA as an evil liar instead of an anguished and confused grandma and mother, losing her mind and in ridiculous denial, her friends accused as immature when they stated casey was a good mom, and CA and GA's attorneys as diabolical creeps. I remember especially all the insults about Mark Nejame, his looks, etc. when he was defending the Anthony's desire to support their daughter.

It's understandable. casey and her parents and her brother have all acted bizarrely and have infuriated those of us who are outraged by this case and what happened to Caylee. But, I think the outrage can sometimes color how we view all the players involved, and sometimes unfairly.

The fact is that George's statements to LE and to the grand jury led to his daughter being arrested and charged with first degree murder. That is a fact. Yes, he later made bizarre statements to the media, to protesters and in depositions, including obvious lies, but he has never lied to the court or to LE. And his bizarre and infuriating behavior is understandable to me. He could not face the fact that not only was his granddaughter dead, but that the daughter he loved likely killed her.

But many of us do not accept any excuse. Caylee's little body rotted in his daughter's trunk and she threw her away like garbage into a swamp so anyone who stand up for her is evil.

So now that GA is going back to what he always said to LE and to the court - the truth - some of us may continue to view him as the enemy. That, IMO may be why some feel he is acting or working for the defense.

My years of dealing with witnesses and testimony and trials as well as my cultural training to be aware and to spot quickly who is the charlatan or who is the mark, or who is dangerous, simply tell me he is being truthful. :twocents:

What I'm seeing with GA is the opposite of how he's always been. Calm, cool & collected isn't GA!!

Other than how I'm viewing GA these days, I do agree with a lot of what you said in this post!

 

[Amster]

And Lee is also going along with this??

One thing that does give me pause....the sexual abuse of a child of tender years. Using the age of 13 for the p**** in the mouth accusation solves that. Tender years is a child under 12. Just a coincidence? Could Lee and George still face legal jeopardy? No statute of limitations??

 

[txsvicki]

I think George did a fantastic job on the stand today. I could see how much contempt he has for JB, and it must of taken a lot of self control for George not to punch JB in the face, when he got down from the witness stand to write on the whiteboard.

I loved how he turned the questioning around on JB . It made him look even more bumbling and inefficient than he is.

IMO George is being honest and is not going to let JB get away with using him as the scapeboat.

George's turning the questioning around and Baez's bumbling is what finally convinced me that it was all an act to try and make George look smart, plotting, and like a hostile control freak who would get insulted and forget that his daughter is on trial for her very life, and instead worry about being accused of sticking on a piece of duct tape to a gas can. I'm not buying it at all. I think the whole entire thing is an act and planned way back. The "affair", the jail letters, the woman who went nuts at the jury selection, all of it.

 

[Reality Orlando]

I think he may very well changed.

I'm not sure if it's really "changed" as much as "come to terms with" the situation. I have to wonder how many of us could actually believe our daughters could kill our granddaughters. I know I couldn't. I think GA and CA have been through more than anyone should ever have to go through and they are finally passing through the levels of grief enough to be able to deal with the situation from a different perspective. At least I think GA has. It's still a guess on CA until we hear her testify.