Is GA Acting or has he really changed?

[ZsaZsa]

JB did bring up his supposed affair. But it is not relevant, and does not discredit him, IMO.

George was under a huge amount of stress. He is a henpecked husband whose wife demanded he stand by casey to the point of saying ridiculous things to the media like: "There was no body in that trunk!" But from the beginning, you could see his ambivalence about casey. He told the police he felt she was hiding something. he admitted to them that her car reeked of death. He told them about how she tried to keep him away from her car by running past him and angrily shoving the gas cans at him when he tried to see whether she stole them or not, etc., etc. He was dealing with a wife who was in deep, angry denial, even denying that Cayelee was even dead, such that he had no one he could express his fears and doubts to, all the while that he was feeling torn between love for his daughter and his love for Caylee. It's a greek tragedy and I can understand it if he sought refuge with someone else at such a time. It's not great but it does not prove him to be a liar.



What evidence has the jury seen that shows George is a "known liar"?



That's a good point. But I remember him on the stand saying he would lie for her, die for her, anything. His testimony in this trial is helping to convict her, to set her free so how on earth is he working for the defense? He seems outraged, sick at heart, in despair and horrified by her allegations - in a word, credible. This does not help casey. It could lead to her getting the needle.

I agree. I think this is the real George we are seeing but with a newfound respect for himself, and resignation as to what happened to Caylee and who caused her death.
JB and ICA irrevocably crossed the line when they accused GA of sexual abuse and he finally said Enough....this stops right now.
There is no way I would ever believe that GA caused or would overlook any harm to Caylee. Never. She was the light of his life.

 

[grandmaj]

Baez gave George the perfect reason to change the tune he was singing during the hearings. Baez was using George this whole 3 years. He can't have 2 clients but George wanted to do everything to help Casey once Caylee was found and charges were filed.

What is the worst thing you can do when you have someone who thinks they are your friend? Betray them. Baez betrayed George after all of the times he used him to fit his stories. He wants to help his daughter but how can he? By admitting to sex crimes against his daughter? By admitting to helping in the coverup of the crime? There is nothing George can do now but tell the truth. And not the truth according to Jose Baez. George cannot help Casey with this defense. It was a huge mistake that Baez made in moving in this direction IMO.

George I believe did love Caylee. And his daughter is accused of killing the little girl he loved. That isn't bad enough now you make false accusations against him? George will never ever get over what has happened. He is just one very broken man right now. He has taken some turns in this case that disappointed me. But now he has been forced into the corner.

 

[GracieLu]

I would do anything to save my daughter. :beats: (or my sons for that matter) I think when GA said that he was under a lot of duress and the circumstances have changed considerably. I wouldn't, of course, if one of my children murdered someone but I can see why he would SAY that as it's a common thing for a parent to think/feel/say.

I think GA & CA reacted badly to the horrible situation and I've known of many people to do the same when faced with a crisis. It does not make it right, of course, but I can see why it happened.

I am very unconvinced that they're in on some conspiracy with JB, neither party seems brilliant enough to think that up and GA seemed pretty true to form in court today, with his temper etc. It definitely didn't feel forced to me.

JMO of course and I'm not meaning to be argumentative. I don't blame anybody for not trusting them, certainly!

omgosh, no, you aren't being argumentative at all! I appreciate what you said! I have children, one almost 7 and one almost 26, lol, and I would do anything for them too! and you're right, "neither party seems brilliant enough to think this up!" LOL - now that was brilliant!!!!

 

[DaughterAlice]

I have much respect for you, your opinions, your knowledge...but I just disagree with you on this one.

GA & the defense are putting on an act. GA & JB truly seem to me to be acting, and badly at that. I really can't explain it.

I think they are just trying to create confusion, therefore reasonable doubt.

I didn't watch much of the trial today, and only saw a few small clips of GA o the stand, so I can't comment on what I thought of it. However, I wanted to comment on your post (in a positive way) . . .

Whether they are acting or not, I cannot say, but I DO KNOW that GA said during a hearing that he would "do anything" to help his daughter. Anything. Hmmm!! :waitasec: Would he do a little acting too? Maybe?

 

[LaLaw2000]

I had a theory I had stood behind for over two years that GA had discovered little Caylee's body in the trunk when ICA opened it and gave George his gas cans. That theory included GA not wanting to call LE because of the state of decomposition of Caylee. There would be no explaining it without Casey being arrested right then and there if LE was called and Caylee was so decomposed.

I'd thought the duct tape idea had been George's because as a former detective, he knew it had to appear to have been a kidnapping. Then the story became that the 'nanny' ran off with Caylee. I'd felt that Cindy was told and then the whole family concocted a 'script' to follow.

Okay, now I finally see how that theory sounds now that the trial has started. I have found myself feeling so sorry for George now.

Now the only thing I honestly believe with every fiber of my being is that Casey murdered little Caylee.

Has George changed? Yes, I believe he has had to change. He will tell the truth as he knows it and restrain himself as to his anger. If he did not knock Baez out cold in court this morning, he won't in the future. I really wouldn't have blamed George if he had knocked Baez out the very first day.

George really wanted to save ICA and sees now that the truth needs to be told for Caylees' sake and for justice. So, yes, I do believe he has changed.

MOO

 

[Leila]

What i'd love to know is what the defense assumes they'll find in george's grand jury testimony that is so important to their case?

The SA doesn't seem concerned. They'll leave it up to the judge to decided.

The grand jury met the morning of October 14, 2008 and by later that afternoon had indicted KC. I think many would assume that whatever George said to the grand jury was enough to indict her. But, I'm sure that there were others that testified before the grand jury - Yuri Melich, John Allen, and other LE. Whatever George told the grand jury may have played only a small role in the indictment.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Isnt it true, MR A that you molested you daughter?

No, sir, it isnt true.

Isnt it true that you slept around behind your wife's back and lied about it until you were caught, so why should we believe anything you have to say today, Mr A?


I have no further questions for this witness, your Honor.

What is your source for commenting that GA slept around?
WE know he used River as a confidante and shoulder to cry on, but we don't know if a sexual relationship took place and quite honestly in his situation it would not surprise me if he fell into the arms of someone who was comforting him.
There are more rumors and stories online about CA's 'flirtations' than I've ever seen about George..

 

[mikeysmommom]

GA's not acting any different than he ever has - angry, anguished, saddened, defensive, irritated. Seems like the real GA to me - at least the real GA since this horrid tragedy has occurred.

I respect your opinion but respectfully, I don't understand what you are seeing.

You know, I have noticed throughout this case that anyone possibly associated with supporting casey has been viewed with suspicion. TL has been accused as being cocky and arrogant, probably in part because he said she was a good mom. LA as being flippant and too in love with his sister (which may be true), CA as an evil liar instead of an anguished and confused grandma and mother, losing her mind and in ridiculous denial, her friends accused as immature when they stated casey was a good mom, and CA and GA's attorneys as diabolical creeps. I remember especially all the insults about Mark Nejame, his looks, etc. when he was defending the Anthony's desire to support their daughter.

It's understandable. casey and her parents and her brother have all acted bizarrely and have infuriated those of us who are outraged by this case and what happened to Caylee. But, I think the outrage can sometimes color how we view all the players involved, and sometimes unfairly.

The fact is that George's statements to LE and to the grand jury led to his daughter being arrested and charged with first degree murder. That is a fact. Yes, he later made bizarre statements to the media, to protesters and in depositions, including obvious lies, but he has never lied to the court or to LE. And his bizarre and infuriating behavior is understandable to me. He could not face the fact that not only was his granddaughter dead, but that the daughter he loved likely killed her.

But many of us do not accept any excuse. Caylee's little body rotted in his daughter's trunk and she threw her away like garbage into a swamp so anyone who stand up for her is evil.

So now that GA is going back to what he always said to LE and to the court - the truth - some of us may continue to view him as the enemy. That, IMO may be why some feel he is acting or working for the defense.

My years of dealing with witnesses and testimony and trials as well as my cultural training to be aware and to spot quickly who is the charlatan or who is the mark, or who is dangerous, simply tell me he is being truthful. :twocents:

ITA I did not think the thank you button was enough:gthanks:

 

[Just Jayla]

I think it's a trick question! GA was being himself in the beginning, then when CA didn't approve he began acting, now George 1.0 is making a comeback. It's a tough conversion, though, traces of CA's preferred version having an inner struggle with original George.
I don't think we'll ever see GA 1.0 in the same way he was back in 2008, but George the method actor (2.0) can't stay, either.

 

[iluvmua]

Even George's Relatives are denying it : http://www.wfmj.com/story/14734615/local-relatives-react-to-casey-anthony-case

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

After watching JB question GA today, it's beyond me how the court continues to put up with him. He's totally unqualified for this job and doesn't even believe there's much truth in his own strategy. He stumbles and fumbles his words, oh, strike that, er, ummm, let me go back, did you or rather have you, blah, blah, blah. Then he gets mad when the witness doesn't understand what he asking? He doesn't have his facts straight, he gets called into sidebar and told explicitly "you cannot question him on this photo because it has never been entered into evidence". He goes back to the podium and starts right in again about the very same thing he was just told not to. What does HHJP need? A two by four?

GA leaves the stand shaking his head wondering how the heck his daughter is going to get through this trial with her life with this guy representing her. That said, I believe GA is broken beyond repair at this point. I don't think he can ever forgive ICA for what she's done to the entire family and I'd be surprised if LA felt any different than his father. She's crossed the line with this new set of lies and there's no going back now. You can heal from hurt but every time it leaves a little scar tissue. After this gash heals enough, I think the scars are going to be too thick to ever let his daughter penetrate his heart again.

This excellent post bears repeating, and I will use it as a segue to my feelings after today's court proceedings. I apologize for not recalling exactly when it was or who JB was questioning at the time, but Casey's lead attorney asked about something that was "proferred in (his) opening statement" - a reference to sexual abuse by GA. I was extremely upset by this and wondered how many more times JB will be allowed to cross the line with his tactics: Casey's counsel is determined to insert this defense notion even if it isn't ever entered into evidence because there is no proof. He probably also does not want to subject his client to cross-examination by putting her on the stand. JB is pushing the envelope, and I'm surprised that he's been allowed this much latitude. I'm not sure how much longer I can watch this fiasco: It is almost torturous :banghead:

 

[MissJames]

We have certainly seen this behavior from George before at depos and hearings.I didn't think it would be allowed at trial.
It seems genuine to me,but nothing would surprise me anymore in this case.
I take that back........If the SA's screwed up ,THAT would surprise me.They will nail this.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I can't wait to see the South Park episode where KC and Baez join Satan and Saddam Hussein in Hell. This sort of just popped into my head thanks to your post

You put a smile on my face and I needed it. This is a painful case to follow, I've been crying a lot.

Anyway, don't forget that Osama Bin Laden would be down there now, I'm thinking that there's going to be another love triangle in Satan's and Saddam's relationship, this time with OBL.

Or maybe OBL will be Hitler's boy toy.... :floorlaugh:

Edit: I just went Googled Sarah McLachlan because I'm thinking about changing my signature, and it looks like she is going to be featured on South Park. She really seems sooo down to earth it makes sense that she wouldn't mind being roasted on SP, I'm dying to see it now.

 

[gitana1]

Here is a very interesting analysis of George's testimony and how credible he appeared, by legal analyst Bill Scheaffer: http://www.wftv.com/video/28041373/index.html

It's worth a look and makes me hopeful.

 

[gngr~snap]

The words
puppet
marionette
minion
come to mind.
GA has not changed.
He is allowing Baez to pull his strings to get ICA off.
MOO

 

[iluvmua]

I think that if George's Sister and BIL are denying it then you can almost bet it never happened. Any of it.

 

[iluvmua]

The words
puppet
marionette
minion
come to mind.
GA has not changed.
He is allowing Baez to pull his strings to get ICA off.
MOO

Then why is his own Sister & BIL denying it?

http://www.wfmj.com/story/14734615/local-relatives-react-to-casey-anthony-case

 

[gngr~snap]

Then why is his own Sister & BIL denying it?

http://www.wfmj.com/story/14734615/local-relatives-react-to-casey-anthony-case

Who? Where have THEY been all this time? Three YEARS and NOW they care? psshh!
I'm not saying ANYTHING happened and if it did, ICA will never be believed, but I do think GA is being "played" but ICA won't get off

MOO

 

[Aedrys]

I think he has changed. I think for the first time EVER, we are seeing Caylee's JoJo. I don't think he thought that his own flesh and blood would go as far as to suggest that he covered up his grand daughters murder. This man is still in shock. I read the *why* letter over and over and I see hurt and disbelief in his response to her sexual abuse allegations. This woman is sick, sick, sick and he's just now seeing how truly SICK she is. ALL JMO of course.

I agree. I don't think the sexual abuse is what put him over the edge. I almost think maybe there was an initial agreement with the defense for him to fall on his sword for sexual abuse. And yes, it was horrible what Baez said using such graphic words, but for the defense to suggest he was there right after Caylee died and didn't call 911 but yelled at Casey that she would get into trouble with Cindy and then helped hide the body until Kronk somehow found it is just too much for him. As much as I dislike the man, and I am still a bit leery because he has disappointed me so many times, I just don't think he could along with that. He truly loved Caylee, and if something had happened and he was right there, I believe he would have tried very hard to save her. He cannot go along with being an actual part of Caylee's death and coverup. That is just asking way too much of him.

Honestly, if he sides with Casey now, he will TRULY be going against Caylee. He will be admitting he failed Caylee in her biggest moment of need, and I don't think George could live with that. In fact, he had a picture of Caylee up there with him the first time he was on the stand, and if he was lying, he was lying to her face in that picture. I think he had that picture so he could concentrate on Caylee and not have to even look at Casey. He knew was going to tell truth, and he had to have Caylee's pureness, goodness, and light with him in order to do it that first time. He knew was choosing Caylee over Casey once and for all. At least I hope so.

Like I said, I'm a bit leery still, and am waiting for the other shoe to fall, sort of. I hope it doesn't, but part of me still wonders. Cindy's testimony is going to be very telling. We're going to know exactly where this is going once she is on the stand. Because honestly, if anyone in that family made an agreement to save Casey, it would be Cindy and not George and definitely not Lee. Also, the look on Cindy's face today is one I've never seen before. She looked completely devastated and broken. I don't think it was act. And I would hope she would not be willing to destroy Lee, her only other child, only source of grandchildren, and only one who might have a normal life after this is over. If she's willing to do that, then she's worse than Casey in my opinion. But like I said, I have to wait and see how she is on the stand to know for sure.

I have hope, and for the first time, some actual sympathy. But if they disappoint me one more time...I don't even want to think about that. God, please, let me be right and let them have changed and doing right by Caylee. I will probably pray this every day of the trial.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Here is a very interesting analysis of George's testimony and how credible he appeared, by legal analyst Bill Scheaffer: http://www.wftv.com/video/28041373/index.html

It's worth a look and makes me hopeful.

It was very much worth listening to, gitana1. Thank you.