Does TH's FB give us any clues?

[jessigirl]

And, if there's any truth to the biodad working from home on Friday, he was sitting in the house as well, not attending his son's talent show.
Surely he could have taken the time to attend?

Not trying to be snarky, but I don't get the constant focus on the SM when the biodad often is in the same scenario, and there are no more facts given about his whereabouts that day than hers.

Above BBM. I too agree with this. Just as carole, posted as a response to my post that Biodad was infact with SM in the news video clip of them rushing to her car from the gym. I had also posted that she was 100% correct that biodad was in that video and that some of his behaviors, reactions, etc.were the same as SM. So, I'm in agreeance(ph?) with your observations concerning both TMH and KH.

ETA:My post replying to carole's, agreeing that her statement was 100% true was deleted for some reason, so I tried to reword my opinion in this post so as not to be accusatory of TMH and KH, rather just point out a fact and agree with the BBM statement:angel:

 

[jessigirl]

Wouldn't LE be able to find out the exact time anything was posted on FB, just by looking at her computer?

This is an ABSOLUTE YES. Actually, ANYONE that had and/or has had and/or presently still has access to TMH FB acct could see the exact date and more importantly the EXACT TIME any picture, text, comment, reply, or even private message(of course we would only be able to see the PM date/time if we were the receipient of the PM) was posted to FB.(Tho LE can see all PM dates/times along with anything removed or deleted LE can still see these exact times from the data extracted by LE computer analysts)

 

[kgeaux]

the times and manner of her posts count to me. I have submitted a blog that has a screen capture of her wall but I do not see it approved yet.

I want to mention that the times that you see on Facebook is linked to the time on your own computer.

I'm on the east coast. If I post something on facebook right now - 9:35pm - and someone on the west coast reads it - the time will show as 6:35pm.

Well, if nurse gets permission to post the screen shot, I guess we'll need to know what time zone the blog is in to be able to accurately note when Terri made the posts, right?

I'm CST and Terri is PST so her game time would have been at 2:34 Portland time.

Boy, I (and some others) am not doing too well with the sleuthing if I am just now taking into account the time zone listings!! I can't tell you how many times I've read that she was on FB playing games right after Kyron went missing.......I knew it couldn't be true, because the school and LE have said she went to the school after learning Kyron had been out of school all day, but I didn't know HOW to prove she wasn't playing games!


THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO BROUGHT THE TIME ZONE DIFFERENCES TO MY ATTENTION!!!

 

[kgeaux]

From the Nancy Grace Transcript of tonight's show:

Now also, Nancy, according to the stepmother`s Facebook page, some people have scrutinized her because within six days time she had put on her Facebook page that she was going to the gym and not until the sixth day did she put a photograph up of Kyron.

GRACE: What does that say to you, Lillian Glass?

GLASS: It says a lot, Nancy. Because when somebody has a missing child that they love, they`ll do anything. They`ll scream from the highest mountain to find that child. And the fact that she waited so long, that`s a huge red flag.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/22/ng.01.html

Lillian Glass is a joke. (I'm using my best manners here.) She can apparently accurately describe the reaction of every "normal" human being on the planet, she can spot trouble from miles away, even when she has never spoken to the person she is "diagnosing" trouble in, and aint it funny how often she agrees with Mz. Nancy??? I betcha, betcha, betcha she can jump tall buildings and dodge speeding bullets, too! :sick:

All the info we have, though, is about her intention: hit the gym. We don't have any information about what she did at the gym, what she was hoping to get from it, whether she's been there more than once since Kyron disappeared, etc.

When she got to the gym, did she actually work out? Or did she drop off some flyers and talk to people who wanted to support her? Or did she set up at a machine and burst into tears? Did she drag herself through a workout just to say she did it?

And do we know if she went more than once? Did she go once and get no stress relief at all, so she hasn't tried again?

You speak of the stages of grieving. I believe one of those stages is denial. I could certainly see her being in denial, thinking semi-consciously "if I do my usual routine, then this nightmare will be over" because I tend to do that myself when stressed out.

There is so much that is frustrating about this case, not least of all is that the facts we're given all seem to be missing context. That makes it nearly impossible to see how they fit into a larger picture, in my opinion.

The stages of grief have been described many times, and denial is one of them. HOWEVER, the stages of grief are applicable ONLY to those whose loved ones have died, if they are applicable at all. (The study (umhmm, one study, done by one person) is slightly controversial as to its scientific veracity.) The only study done about parents who have lost children or whose children have gone missing had quite different results.

Terri may be a resiliant, as referenced by Dr. Bonanno.

Another entry in my "if I am ever a suspect" file. I believe I own all the Ngaio Marsh mysteries. All of Dorothy Sayers, too. Several Agatha Christie, too.

If I ever plan to commit a crime set in 1930s England, I am well educated for it.

Oh, hell. I own some murder mysteries too and have been stupid enough to even leave reviews on the internet about the books. God help me if anyone close to me goes missing, as I am sensing that owning these books will make me a firm suspect for SURE! :angel:

Not only is Terri rushing to the mustang, not responding to reporters, Kaine, Kyron's father is there, too.

I have a question regarding the Facebook time stamps.

I have seen in the past, that myself and other members of a group, all within the same time zone, would have the time stamp of another time zone, 3 hours difference. Sometimes, the incorrect time would stay on the message permanently, and sometimes it would correct itself.

I always thought it was a Facebook glitch, but now after reading here, am completely unsure. The time a message is posted is quite relevant, in cases like Kyron's.

Any thoughts?

I have had several glitches show up on my FB. I have seen incorrect times---even days---show up more than once. And like you, sometimes it self corrects and other times it doesn't.

 

[Wrinkles]

UPDATE:
You may link to comments made by members in the earlier threads about TM's FB page while it was still open. I don't have the time today to see where those posts are located, but I'm sure you great sleuthers will find them.

Thanks Kimster. I hope I am not out of order here... When I was looking at the FB page while it was not private, I wrote these posts:

* [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5254539&postcount=422"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1[/ame]

* [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5254605&postcount=426"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1[/ame]

* [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5254666&postcount=430"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1[/ame]

* [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5254770&postcount=445"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1[/ame]

* [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5254772&postcount=447"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1[/ame]

I must say that in the first few days of this child being missing, I was looking for any sign of relief. There were certain things in that FB page that made me think "this must be a sign for good" (not wanting to question it in a different direction, although I was head scratching) -- well, I have had to rethink that in context of this whole case at this point. WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE CLUES?

Based on the topic of this thread: "Does TH's FB give us any clues?"
I hope that which I am nerved out about means NOTHING, but I have to take note of these things...

1. Smiley faced emoticons at what I have now come to feel were what I have to consider as inappropriate times -- at first I had hoped that they were a sign of "knowing something we didn't" and "hopeful." I've had to relook...were these emoticons due to a distance someone had between themselves and a hugely tragic situation? Why was that distance? I think we have to take note if nothing else. Does it help with the puzzle?

There were tons of messages on that FB page, people showing their shock, grief etc. There were only a few smiley faces... How do we produce even an emoticon of a smiley face when our child has been missing for a few hours, much less overnight? much less for several days. I can find reasons, but I must take note.

2. Choice of responses... I found what I considered to be a lack of responses to heartfelt, pained messages, whereas I found smiley faced responses to those which seemed somewhat vain or foolish in terms of the situation e.g. a response to poking "can be addicting" ??? How can you even think of such as that in such a time and ignore such as "I don't know how you are coping" without a "We are in pain, in pieces, we are aching, you can imagine, but we must stay hopeful -- your prayers are important to us." There were other "strange" responses which I found to represent a detachament -- with smiley faces. I do find the text of these on the web -- outside of FB.

3. Kitty in Kyron's room -- reading his books? My experience is that parents with children who have died are very protective of their rooms. We did NOT have any sign that Kyron had died, we did have and do, have a very serious situation with him missing. I must say that I probably could NOT let anyone in my child's room (outside of LE or another parent) while I know they are missing and have not been found. First, my toddler would NOT be allowed in the missing child's room without that child (not on a regular basis, not on a "missing child" basis), I would want it undisturbed. This feels "disrespectful" and "detached" of/from the missing child. Second, IF I felt that it was okay for my toddler to invade their siblings room while they were missing and endangered, I would not be spraying a happy face about my toddler's reaction. I would be grieving at a huge depth for the toddler child who entered the room, and racked with pain for my missing child. There would be nothing but after any comment I would make about my toddler's "touching" their missing sibling, by reading their books, in their room.

I have just discussed this with my husband...he and I are in agreement. We could not even muster a smile.

4. "Please don't listen to the news. It is inaccurate. We will give details as soon as we can. "

Okay...I can get that -- the news can blow it, but before 24 hours had passed? The news was mild at that time. This was like a "don't listen to or believe anything that you hear until 'I' can tell you about it. This tends to scare me.

I'll stop here... Are these clues? Or are these signs of someone who has had to detach themselves due to the sheer horror of a situation and their own particular coping mechanism? I don't know, but I must look at these things as some type of clues that I must factor into incoming information.

BTW, there IS a web rundown of what was on that FB page before it went private on the web.

 

[nursebeeme]

thank you wrinkles.. for saying it all, posting it all and doing it when we were allowed to. Thank you so very much!

 

[PolyGraph]

The thing that upset me the most was the numerous pics that people claimed they saw of her baby girl but only one or two of kyron THAT speaks volumns if you ask me, but that is me. Step son or not I would have loved that child as if he was my own!!!

 

[CarmelEyesD]

Re: FB games


I just wanted to point put that I am signed up for many FB games. Most of them I have not been in or played since I signed into them, others for months. On a recent visit to FB on my daughter's page-(she had wanted to show me something I didn't have access to from my page)-I noticed that "I" had sent gifts, posted updates and done other things on theses games...even though I hadn't played them in a long time. Apparently some of the games, when you 'join' them, you are giving them permission to frequently update the games and/or send things.

 

[Calliope]

The thing that upset me the most was the numerous pics that people claimed they saw of her baby girl but only one or two of kyron THAT speaks volumns if you ask me, but that is me. Step son or not I would have loved that child as if he was my own!!!

Well since we're allowed to now, several have posted that she DID have numerous photos of kyron, not just "one or two".

 

[Calliope]

Thanks Kimster. I hope I am not out of order here... When I was looking at the FB page while it was not private, I wrote these posts:

* Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1

* Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1

* Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1

* Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1

* Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1

I must say that in the first few days of this child being missing, I was looking for any sign of relief. There were certain things in that FB page that made me think "this must be a sign for good" (not wanting to question it in a different direction, although I was head scratching) -- well, I have had to rethink that in context of this whole case at this point. WHAT ARE THE CLUES?

Based on the topic of this thread: "Does TH's FB give us any clues?"
I hope that which I am nerved out about mean NOTHING, but I have to take note of these things...

1. Smiley faced emoticons at what I have now come to feel were what I have to consider as inappropriate times -- at first I had hoped that they were a sign of "knowing something we didn't" and "hopeful." I've had to relook...were these emoticons due to a distance someone had between themselves and a hugely tragic situation? Why was that distance? I think we have to take note if nothing else. Does it help with the puzzle?

There were tons of messages on that FB page, people showing their shock, grief etc. There were only a few smiley faces... How do we produce even an emoticon of a smiley face when our child has been missing for a few hours, much less overnight? much less for several days. I can find reasons, but I must take note.

2. Choice of responses... I found what I considered to be a lack of responses to heartfelt, pained messages, whereas I found smiley faced responses to those which seemed somewhat vain or foolish in terms of the situation e.g. a response to poking "can be addicting" ??? How can you even think of such as that in such a time and ignore such as "I don't know how you are coping" without a "We are in pain, in pieces, we are aching, you can imagine, but we must stay hopeful -- your prayers are important to us." There were other "strange" responses which I found to represent a detachament -- with smiley faces. I do find the text of these on the web -- outside of FB.

3. Kitty in Kyron's room -- reading his books? My experience is that parents with children who have died are very protective of their rooms. We did NOT have any sign that Kyron had died, we did have and do, have a very serious situation with him missing. I must say that I probably could NOT let anyone in my child's room (outside of LE or another parent) while I know they are missing and have not been found. First, my toddler would NOT be allowed in the missing child's room without that child (not on a regular basis, not on a "missing child" basis), I would want it undisturbed. This feels "disrespectful" and "detached" of/from the missing child. Second, IF I felt that it was okay for my toddler to invade their siblings room while they were missing and endangered, I would not be spraying a happy face about my toddler's reaction. I would be grieving at a huge depth for the toddler child who entered the room, and racked with pain for my missing child. There would be nothing but after any comment I would make about my toddler's "touching" their missing sibling, by reading their books, in their room.

I have just discussed this with my husband...he and I are in agreement. We could not even muster a smile.

4. "Please don't listen to the news. It is inaccurate. We will give details as soon as we can. "

Okay...I can get that -- the news can blow it, but before 24 hours had passed? The news was mild at that time. This was like a "don't listen to or believe anything that you hear until 'I' can tell you about it. This tends to scare me.

I'll stop here... Are these clues? Or are these signs of someone who has had to detach themselves due to the sheer horror of a situation and their own particular coping mechanism? I don't know, but I must look at these things as some type of clues that I must factor into incoming information.

BTW, there IS a web rundown of what was on that FB page before it went private on the web.

bbm

I think we've seen that in the beginning news reports are often inaccurate.

 

[PolyGraph]

Well since we're allowed to now, several have posted that she DID have numerous photos of kyron, not just "one or two".

thanks I didnt know that. I read alot of the opposite.

 

[Calliope]

thanks I didnt know that. I read alot of the opposite.

It was brought up repeatedly on old threads, and others stated they saw the photos of kyron.

I can't attest to it either way, as I never snooped into her FB pics.

 

[Wrinkles]

Hiya Calliope,

Nice to see you this evening

bbm

I think we've seen that in the beginning news reports are often inaccurate.

Yup we've seen that. I'm trying to figure out what any of us might have read in news reports (or heard there locally, perhaps on the news or radio) that might have been inaccurate within less than 24 hours of Kyron's disappearance? Perhaps it was heard that Terri was the last one to see Kyron? We heard later that someone else saw him, but then LE has seemed to "disappear" that -- i.e. they have noted Terri was the last one to see him.

So...I wonder what might have been inaccurate in the news within those 20 or so hours after Kyron's noted disappearance. I believe it was around 11:16 am or so that Terri made that comment, maybe as late as 3:16pm (based on FB time issues), but whatever ... it was less than 24 hours after Kyron was first noted as missing.

Got a clue what she might have been thinking about as inaccurate in the news?

 

[sofia76]

Got a clue what she might have been thinking about as inaccurate in the news?

Maybe half the things her mother was quoted/reported to have said!

 

[LillyRush]

I doubt the media would have allowed them to get away with something as short and sweet as that.

Yep, that may be true, Calliope. My main point though was to reemphasize the fact that the father was also at the gym and that he was also ignoring the media at that moment. I thought it was only fair. This was after I had read several posts about how despicable it was that the SM "hit the gym" only to find out that people were talking about the exact same incident that I saw on a local news video where the father was right there with her.

 

[winterrose]

If a family member's fb is public,are we allowed to ask a question about any posts on it?

 

[grandmaj]

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[grandmaj]

Unless someone can provide the mods with a link, there will not be any more discussion about Kyron being ADHD. We have zero evidence to back this statement. Autism Spectrum Disorder or any other unpublished reports about Kyron.

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[DairyGirl]

Unless someone can provide the mods with a link, there will not be any more discussion about Kyron being ADHD. We have zero evidence to back this statement. Autism Spectrum Disorder or any other unpublished reports about Kyron.

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Sorry

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

Good! It has 0000 zero bearing on his disappearance,if he did in fact "disappear!"