Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[MissJames]

What bothers me so much with CA's excuses is the fact that no matter how baseless her lies are, she seems to have one for every single hole in her story. This is not denial. This is someone who has had to think long and hard. You have to know what the lies are before you can cover them up and give some crazy excuse. She has done this from the get go. That video earlier with Yuri, she did exactly what she is doing to this day. If anyone calls her one any one of her ludicrous cover ups, she simply responds "That's how I see it. That's how it looks in my mind. That is from my perspective."
And you push again and you get the ever ready, "I've lost my grandchild," card.
:banghead:

And don't forget ,"Until someone can prove to me otherwise ,that's how I feel". :maddening:

She used that on that on Dr. Phil.

 

[NavySubMom]

I think the main reason for their latest foundation is to funnel the money from interviews, book deals and other media payments. Not necessarily anticipating lots of donations from the general public although that would be nice too.
Makes the media look better by not paying the Anthonys directly but using the "donation" vehicle . Plus the Anthonys can gradually withdraw money from it for themselves via expense account/salaries, whatever, in order to keep Fed income taxes low.
It is just all smoke and mirrors IMO with only one objective in mind: damage control for both the media and the Anthonys.. Grandparents rights is just the cloak they are using. Makes the whole blood money grubbing thing more digestible to the average person.

I completely agree. They do not care what their foundation website says or doesn't say, and if they get a few donations through it, great. If not, not to worry. They already have the $$ from Phil, and whoever else they can connive to "donating" for an interview or the book CA wrote during the trial, that is what that foundation is for.

I wonder how long Lippman will keep his name attached to this Foundation? No one has seen or heard from him in quite a while, and he couldn't shut up right after the verdict and for quite a few weeks after that. Wonder if he minds being associated with this farce.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[MarthaM]

bbm: EXACTLY! I have been wanting to post something exactly along these lines, but I just figure what is the use at this point.....

Just snipped that little bit to say Thanks for getting my point about the current foundation. I wasn't sure if what I meant was coming across, that there's no connection between the Anthonys and grandparents' rights that I can see.

Strikes me a bit like the pilot of the Hindenberg starting a foundation as a resource for people wanting to safely land a blimp.

I'm sure that what I said will strike a number of people that way.

However, if you look at a lot of foundations and organizations that are designed to help people with various problems, it's clear that the people who started them up had had the same problem. I think it's a serious issue.

 

[Aedrys]

This whole Dr. Phil thing is not making sense to me. Why would he agree to a donation, but not believe a word Cindy said? He doesn't even act like he feels sorry for Cindy, nor George, really. How can he turn around Monday and recommend their charity when he doesn't believe them? I'm starting to wonder about this. I guess it could purely be for ratings.

I do wonder, though, if maybe he tricked them? Maybe he said he'd donate, and then come Monday, maybe we'll find out he didn't donate as much as he said he would? It would explain the A's and Lippman's silence. If he did donate something, but not as much as he said, they would look even more terrible if they complained about it. I would think Dr. Phil's lawyers are way more savvy than Lippman too. Maybe there's a loophole or something that they found, so even Lippman can't do anything about it.

The A 's didn't even do their own rounds of publicity for this interview. They haven't said one thing, not even through Lippman. Only Dr. Phil did any publicity at all. Why are they totally quiet about this interview? Something just isn't right in all of this to me. It's not adding up. I'm now curious as to just what exactly is going to happen Monday.

I will say, I will die laughing if the scammers got scammed. Talk about karma!!!!

 

[MarthaM]

They won't get much traction with the general public,but they seem to attract people with money and questionable histories.
I don't know anything about finance or money laundering so I'm not even sure a charity is useful for that type of thing,but the Anthony's and their lawyer are well aware that they are disliked and even hated by the general public. Surely they realize they won't have a popular foundation,so how do they expect to get donations?
Just more hinkiness in a long line of hink.
MOO

I'm not so sure that the Anthonys are hated or even disliked by the general public. And I think very few people know who their lawyer is, or care. Those who have been very involved in the case do, but not the public in general. No one I know in RL has as strong an opinion about the Anthonys as WSers do, for example. Casey, yes. But not her parents.

As I said, I don't think their foundation will go anywhere, but it's not because most people hate them or anything like that.

 

[pip]

When Phil asked CA if she was mad about what GA said about his theory that FCA drugged Caylee, of course she smiled and said no. The animations on GA's face told me they have had this discussion many times and are butting heads. Now that GA has publicly said those words, I am sure CA was a fury to deal with after the interview. It may be unforgiveable by CA. GA drew the line in the sand with her on national TV. I have to wonder if GA will soon be out of the marriage and have his come to jesus moment and tell the true Anthony family story to move on. George may be headed to do the right thing. I have always believed him to be the weakest link, that is why the DT targeted him, but it may be the very thing that leads him to come fully clean and clear his name. That co-dependant guy has taken a huge beating. He may finally break from the grip that Cindy has on his soul. Perhaps he see's finally that the apple didn't fall to far from the tree? I was absolutely shocked that he opposed her, and CA didn't take it well.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Just snipped that little bit to say Thanks for getting my point about the current foundation. I wasn't sure if what I meant was coming across, that there's no connection between the Anthonys and grandparents' rights that I can see.



I'm sure that what I said will strike a number of people that way.

However, if you look at a lot of foundations and organizations that are designed to help people with various problems, it's clear that the people who started them up had had the same problem. I think it's a serious issue.

BBM

I'm interested in what you are saying in the bolded part above. "A lot of foundations" are started by people who had the same problem? Is there a specific example that comes to mind?

I thought at first you might mean something like Alcoholics Anonymous, but then I remembered the first step is to say "Hello, my name is ______ and I'm an alcoholic". Based on what we're hearing with these "Doctor" Phil interviews, I can't see that type of admission happening in this case.

 

[cyberborg]

What bothers me so much with CA's excuses is the fact that no matter how baseless her lies are, she seems to have one for every single hole in her story. This is not denial. This is someone who has had to think long and hard. You have to know what the lies are before you can cover them up and give some crazy excuse. She has done this from the get go. That video earlier with Yuri, she did exactly what she is doing to this day. If anyone calls her one any one of her ludicrous cover ups, she simply responds "That's how I see it. That's how it looks in my mind. That is from my perspective."
And you push again and you get the ever ready, "I've lost my grandchild," card.
:banghead:

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Exactly ... CA is not in denial she has an agenda and is filling the gaps while rehabilitating FCA and thus herself.

 

[MissJames]

I just can't see their 'grandparents' rights' foundation ever getting off the ground. I think that when the public looks at a foundation and its founders, they think of people who have been through something that made them want to help others in similar situations. And really, the Anthonys' situation hasn't been one that will lead any grandparents to say 'I'm experiencing the same thing and need this foundation's help'. The Anthonys' situation wasn't about the rights that other grandparents might seek. There just isn't a good connection between the Anthonys and the issue. This foundation isn't going anywhere.

Now, if the Anthonys were to start up a foundation that becomes a support and resource for parents who have adult children like Casey (and there are plenty of them out there), then they'd have a better chance. I don't mean this with any of the snark or sarcasm that is generally aimed at them. But that's where their experience points. They certainly know what it's like to raise a daughter who thought it was her parents' job to provide for her even in adulthood and bail her out of all of her everyday difficulties, and they let her control them by doing everything she wanted over and over and over. Of course, it's Cindy more than anyone who needs the resources and help of such a foundation, but that's beside the point. There's no reason why someone who starts such an organization can't need its resources herself. At least with that kind of a purpose, people can identify its founders with its work. With their 'grandparents' rights' foundation, no one can.

BBM

So, when someone else says it ,it's snark or sarcasm :waitasec:

Reading the Dr. Phil transcripts , he expressed many of the same feelings about Cindy's "denial" that many of us have in our posts. He was just telling it like it is,IMO and wasn't trying to be snarky or sarcastic, but he was clearly as frustrated with Cindy as we are.

 

[rotterdam]

This whole Dr. Phil thing is not making sense to me. Why would he agree to a donation, but not believe a word Cindy said? He doesn't even act like he feels sorry for Cindy, nor George, really. How can he turn around Monday and recommend their charity when he doesn't believe them? I'm starting to wonder about this. I guess it could purely be for ratings.

I do wonder, though, if maybe he tricked them? Maybe he said he'd donate, and then come Monday, maybe we'll find out he didn't donate as much as he said he would? It would explain the A's and Lippman's silence. If he did donate something, but not as much as he said, they would look even more terrible if they complained about it. I would think Dr. Phil's lawyers are way more savvy than Lippman too. Maybe there's a loophole or something that they found, so even Lippman can't do anything about it.

The A 's didn't even do their own rounds of publicity for this interview. They haven't said one thing, not even through Lippman. Only Dr. Phil did any publicity at all. Why are they totally quiet about this interview? Something just isn't right in all of this to me. It's not adding up. I'm now curious as to just what exactly is going to happen Monday.

I will say, I will die laughing if the scammers got scammed. Talk about karma!!!!

Oh, how I would love to see the contract that they signed with Dr. Phil.
There could have been a clause that Lippman/Anthonies had a gag order until the interview was aired. After all Phil did the rounds on other programs prior to airing. And I assume he did not do that for free and wanted no competition from the Anthonys.

 

[wonders]

bbm: EXACTLY! I have been wanting to post something exactly along these lines, but I just figure what is the use at this point.....

IMO, for the A's to head-up a new foundation for "Grandparents' Rights", they would have had to have gone through the legal system, dealt with the current laws in FLA, gone to court, tried to get custody of Caylee, and failed for whatever reason. Or, intimately know someone else who went through such a fight and lost or failed. Then they could say "these are the current laws, this is how the laws don't work, this is where the laws and the system and child welfare, etc. failed us. And this is how we propose to change these laws. 'A' needs to happen,'B' needs to happen, "Current Law C" needs to be rewritten to say xxxxxxxx this,", etc. NONE of this applies to the A's. Nothing.

Their website for their foundation does NOT say what they plan to do, how they are going to fight for GP's rights, or how they will help others do so. It is a bogus farce, all of it,. Can you see CA sitting in front of a legislature or a FLA committee or governor's board (or whoever/wherever they would go) to be questioned about "their fight for their grandchild??" and how do they propose the laws would be changed?? who will help them write these "new" laws that are required???

Furthermore, CA believes the felon was a great mother and Caylee died because of an accidental drowning. What on God's Green Earth does that have to do with Grandparents' Rights?? Why is noone in the media questioning this?? Why did the good doctor Phil give a donation to this foundation?? CA is "too in denial" to deal with any of this per Phil.

This is why I firmly believe it is just a scam foundation for the A's to funnel $$ to themselves.

IMO, MOO. etc.

The thanks button wasn't enough for me as I love your post.
I too hope Cayleesfund.org fails. I don't see grandparents needing the Anthony's 2 cents because most people don't raise monsters like they raised their daughter and if anyone did they still wont need them because just as the Anthony's think they are always right so will people like them.

 

[MissJames]

The A's either scammed Dr. Phil about the foundation money not going into their own wallets, or he already knew they could and would, and went forward with the donation anyway to get the interview. I believe it was the latter. They will do it and Dr. Phil will say... well, they said they wouldn't right in the interview..(well knowing they would) Duh.

Kind of the way JB told HHJP that he never checked Cindy's work records. He just took her at her word

 

[Aedrys]

Oh, how I would love to see the contract that they signed with Dr. Phil.
There could have been a clause that Lippman/Anthonies had a gag order until the interview was aired. After all Phil did the rounds on other programs prior to airing. And I assume he did not do that for free and wanted no competition from the Anthonys.

That could be true. I just wonder. He got that one mom in trouble for her abuse of her son. What would he do if he if thought the A's were running a scam with their foundation? Or at the very least, didn't believe in their foundation because he doesn't believe in them? I just feel like we might be surprised come Monday. Maybe even the A's are for a huge shock.

 

[wonders]

I keep forgetting to bring this up.
Remember when G was talking about how he had been investigated or whatever and went through everything even a voice anylisis? Well. NONE of the Anthony's took a lie detector test.

 

[pip]

I think CA is all glammed up and marketing herself on TV hoping some millionaire will think she's hot and will swoop her up and jet her off to some fabulous tropical island to live in a mansion. She'll travel and entertain interesting people with all her new found money for the rest of her life. This infamy she has obtained from the murder of her grandchild has risen to a golden opportunity in her mind. I highly doubt she see's herself with dopey, broke ol' George for the rest of her life. She has set her marks high and she has big dreams. True to the sociopath she is. She will copy what she thinks will become of FCA. The competition between the Anthony females will continue. Besides, FCA owes her big time. FCA can't live bigger than her. I think in reality they will both shrivel and flop into a lifelong depression and discontent.

 

[MarthaM]

BBM

I'm interested in what you are saying in the bolded part above. "A lot of foundations" are started by people who had the same problem? Is there a specific example that comes to mind?

I thought at first you might mean something like Alcoholics Anonymous, but then I remembered the first step is to say "Hello, my name is ______ and I'm an alcoholic". Based on what we're hearing with these "Doctor" Phil interviews, I can't see that type of admission happening in this case.

I'm not really sure what you're asking, but I can clarify/expand on what I said previously if that helps:

Many many 'we want to help you' organizations are started by people who experienced the same thing. Someone who struggled with being obese for years starts a weightloss organization. Someone with a family member who has a particular disease starts a support group. Someone who had a gambling problem starts a website to help others overcome that same thing. That's what I was referring to, and that's why the Anthonys' foundation isn't going to work--their background isn't related to grandparents' rights. Their background is, though, related to parents enabling their adult children to continue to mess up their lives.

I think it will be years, if ever, before Cindy sees the light about her family. On that I agree completely. But I do think there's potential for George to do that, and perhaps be the driving force behind such an organization at some point.

BBM

So, when someone else says it ,it's snark or sarcasm :waitasec:

Reading the Dr. Phil transcripts , he expressed many of the same feelings about Cindy's "denial" that many of us have in our posts. He was just telling it like it is,IMO and wasn't trying to be snarky or sarcastic, but he was clearly as frustrated with Cindy as we are.

MissJames, I think you're seeing something in my post that just wasn't there. When I said that I meant what I said without snark or sarcasm, I was making it clear that I sincerely meant what I was going to say and that I wasn't just being sarcastic about the Anthonys when stating my view of their foundation (which I think will fail) and what I think would be a better approach. I didn't say anything about what someone else says.

 

[Azcrabcakes]

If the As read here I have some thoughts to pass on.

Please, please, please stop doing interviews. Stop lying for your murdering daughter. Stop pointing the finger at some mysterious accomplice. Stop making excuses. Stop smirking, it's not funny. Most of all, stop trivializing Caylee's death and the desecration of her corpse.

Please fade away for your own good as well as FCA's. If you stop running after the media you will fade into oblivion and no one will know who you are or how many lies you told in order to get your daughter off.

No amount of money will ever make you feel better about Caylee's tortuous death. Caylee's memory should not be up for sale to the highest bidder.

If you read this and think it's funny because you gave the middle finger to society via the Phil entertainment show then please watch this video. I have no clue who this guy is, I came across the video while searching for something else. I was stunned to say the least. I do not condone the guy in the video, in fact I think it should be removed from youtube. I hope you can see the level of anger by some and simply say 'no comment'.

I won't post the link because the language is extremely vile. You can go to youtube.com and search:

angry grandpa hates casey anthony

Yuri begged you to stop feeding the media lies and I agree with him. Please just stop.

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IMO

WOW! Either I missed this tape or I forgot it (Entirely possible). I do not know how Yuri held it together. Everything CA says is doublespeak and she interrupts Yuri constantly! She drove me nuts! I understand that she was distraught, but wow... she just CAN'T get to the point. Blah, blah, blah, with no words or meaning or information. WOW.

 

[Well Done 99]

That could be true. I just wonder. He got that one mom in trouble for her abuse of her son. What would he do if he if thought the A's were running a scam with their foundation? Or at the very least, didn't believe in their foundation because he doesn't believe in them? I just feel like we might be surprised come Monday. Maybe even the A's are for a huge shock.

I'd only ever watched Dr Phil a couple times over the years prior to this Anthony show. IIRC, the final portion of each episode is his analysis and suggestion for a 'solution'.
If what you feel is on the mark, Aedrys, this one might knock them right off their chairs.
Will he tell them they are lying on national tv? What justice! What irony! Reel them in with the very thing they crave - the green stuff - only to reveal them for what they are ... money grabbing liars.

 

[logicalgirl]

CA said on Dr. Phil she could have taken Caylee away from KC if she had wanted to. I'm guessing she is alluding to the total lack of voice grandparents have. Yes, children are their parents... I totally agree. But too many times the parent(s) is/are incompetent, and still the grandparent has no voice. I went through a similar thing. Child protective services was useless. When I went to court, the judge chided me. My voice, and numerous photos of abuse were laughed at. I was belittled by my daughter, son-in-law and the judge. They went on to have two more children. Years later when I got to see the four kids due to the son-in-law nearly killing my daughter, they had been horribly neglected and abused. Guess who is raising four damaged kids now! I am broker than I don't know what and deep in debt - and plain worn out. If the courts would have simply LOOKED at my photos and listened to me for a few minutes, there might have been just TWO well cared for kids. The HELL those kids went through makes me want to vomit. The judge even took away visitation previously given, saying it would disturb the family time, and leaving it up to my daughter, which was ZERO.

OK, I got on my soapbox, and now I am off. But CA probably does not want to SAY these things since she lauds FCA as a good mom... but maybe she found similar problems. She was helpless to help - like I was. I'm just saying MAYBE!

AZcrabcakes - your courage and steadfastness brought tears to my eyes. May your God eternally bless you for what you are doing.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I keep forgetting to bring this up.
Remember when G was talking about how he had been investigated or whatever and went through everything even a voice anylisis? Well. NONE of the Anthony's took a lie detector test.

Yes, wonders, I picked up on the news about his voice analysis, too. We hadn't heard anything about that before, in any of the discovery or document dumps, had we? I wonder who did it and what the results were. . . :dunno: Does anyone remember or know any more details about this?

(Thanks, wonders, I kept wanting to ask about this and forgetting, too.)