Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

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  • #721
I dont know..OJ said he was 100% not guilty.. many many others proclaim their innocence and are guilty.. or we don't believe them. No comment means they do not choose to comment or to answer any questions and that could be for a variety of reasons..one question leads to another, told by their attorney they should not answer questions, too upset to be grilled.. not feeling they need to defend their innocence, any answer could be misinterpreted.. the list goes on and on.

In court, a defendant can choose to not get on the stand and we cannot draw any sinister inference from that..

I will respect the "no comment" whatever the genesis. We have the right to exercise our free speech or not. i might like to hear the comment.. but it probably wont satisfy me anyway.. JMO
 
  • #722
I know that "no comment" is often considered an indictment against one's self, but sometimes saying "no comment" to a reporter's question means just that.

"No comment" to a reporter's questions doesn't automatically suggest the person has any personal knowledge of a crime, or has any personal involvement.

Think about this; how many times does answering just one question from a reporter lead to more questions? All the time. So what's the best way to avoid answering question after question after question from a reporter? "No comment". I mean if my wife had been killed and my best friend was suspected of killing her, I probably wouldn't feel like answering questions from reporters either -- even if I wasn't involved. Remember, these are reporters. They're not your close personal friends. You're under no obligation to open up to them.

I'm not convinced Sievers has nothing to do with his wife being killed, but until I start seeing evidence against him I'm going to assume his "no comment" was just a polite way of saying to the reporter(s) "Not only am I not going to answer just one question from you... I'm not going to answer any of your follow-up questions either".

I guess Sievers could have just as easily said "this is a private matter, we ask that you please respect our privacy at this difficult time and we have no further comment at this time", but what does that mean? Even a statement like that is open to interpretation. As is "no comment". ;)

But do I think he's holding info back from the media? Of course. The question is... was he asked to keep quiet on the matter by L.E. or his conscience?

Thank you for this thought provoking post!

I've thought about this a lot because I know what my gut tells me re. MS involvement, however I'm constantly trying to "check myself" in order to avoid tunnel vision.

I can understand (or at least rationalize) his choice to not address the media and/or reply to a reporter's question with a "no comment" after the July 12th raids in MO. After that date it was very clear his BFF was a suspect . I could understand if his immediate reaction might be, "OMG! CWW? My BFF?! How could this be?! ...Oh no! What is LE going to think? They might believe I knew about this or, worse, had some part in my wife's murder." THEN, I could understand him wanting to zip his lips no matter how it appeared to the public. Even the July 12th date is a little flexible because LE clearly had evidence connecting at least JR, otherwise they'd never been able to secure the warrants. I think LE held things very close to the vest but, considering the MO connection, I imagine it's safe to assume they questioned Mark, choosing their words very carefully, to see if he could offer any helpful info, would be forthcoming and to gauge his reaction to their questions. So, maybe a little earlier but not much because there is no way LE say anything that would tip off Mark to suspect the raids. If anything, Mark probably didn't like the tone of the questioning. (I started to end that last sentence "and decided to shut up". But you can't shut up if you never talked to begin with.)

It is about the choices he made during the time immediately after his wife was found murdered. He never chose to use the media to his advantage by holding a press conference begging the public to please help find the person responsible for killing his beloved wife and mother to their two daughters in such a horribly brutal manner. I am pretty darn sure he didn't do like Mark Klaas and so many others say to LE, "I understand you guys have to clear me. Polygraph me right now! Ask me whatever you please so we can move on and find the person who did this. Quit wasting time and let's get on with it." (No, I don't know that for sure. It is an assumption. In fact, I think I'll post those questions for SMS's interview thread - "Has Mark taken a polygraph? Was he asked to take one?")

He was endorsing a 🤬🤬🤬 page set up with a goal of $1,000,000.00. One million dollars. That page was not set up for the purpose of funding the best private investigators on the planet to locate the killer. That would've gone a long way re. his credibility and integrity.

He wasted no time trying to find a new doctor to take over TS's practice. I could probably even find a way to rationalize that if he were doing ANYTHING proactive trying to find the murderer.

Heck, as disgusting as it was at the time, even Scott Peterson pretended to be looking for Laci.

For me, it boils down to what his priorities were particularly immediately following the murder. They all appear to self-serving. $$$$$$$$$ Not a single plea to help locate the person responsible for taking the life of his wife and leaving his two daughters motherless.
 
  • #723
For me, it's not only MS's "no comment" but also, SMS not stating that he is cooperating and clearing him.
 
  • #724
For me, it's not only MS's "no comment" but also, SMS not stating that he is cooperating and clearing him.

I don’t think the sheriff has cleared anyone.
Early in the investigation, the sheriff, per NBC2 News commentator, did say MS was cooperating.

NBC2 News video starting at 2:12 - “I asked the sheriff whether Dr Sievers husband was cooperating with the investigation and he told me that detectives have spoken with him, he is cooperating. . ."

NBC2 News video is on this post by CoolJ - http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...es-(NOT-involving-MS)&p=12066434#post12066434
 
  • #725
I don’t think the sheriff has cleared anyone.
Early in the investigation, the sheriff, per NBC2 News commentator, did say MS was cooperating.

NBC2 News video starting at 2:12 - “I asked the sheriff whether Dr Sievers husband was cooperating with the investigation and he told me that detectives have spoken with him, he is cooperating. . ."

NBC2 News video is on this post by CoolJ - http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...es-(NOT-involving-MS)&p=12066434#post12066434

For clarity, that video and statement by the reporter referencing SMS was made 8 days after the murder.

It's 15 weeks later now. Since that one statement he allegedly made 8 days after the murder, I have not seen SMS confirm that MS is cooperating. In fact, he has refused to confirm that in every subsequent interview that I have seen/heard.

(I used the word "allegedly" only because SMS is interviewed on camera for over 2 minutes, however those words never came out of his mouth during the video. When they cut back to the studio, the reporter says he told her that. Not insinuating he did not, but I have yet to hear those exact words come out of his own mouth and he has given a lot of interviews.)
 
  • #726
For clarity, that video and statement by the reporter referencing SMS was made 8 days after the murder.

It's 15 weeks later now. Since that one statement he allegedly made 8 days after the murder, I have not seen SMS confirm that MS is cooperating. In fact, he has refused to confirm that in every subsequent interview that I have seen/heard.

(I used the word "allegedly" only because SMS is interviewed on camera for over 2 minutes, however those words never came out of his mouth during the video. When they cut back to the studio, the reporter says he told her that. Not insinuating he did not, but I have yet to hear those exact words come out of his own mouth and he has given a lot of interviews.)

Yes, which is why I made sure to write "Early in the investigation" and "per NBC2 News commentator":
Early in the investigation, the sheriff, per NBC2 News commentator, did say MS was cooperating.
 
  • #727
Yes, which is why I made sure to write "Early in the investigation" and "per NBC2 News commentator":
Early in the investigation, the sheriff, per NBC2 News commentator, did say MS was cooperating.

Yes, I saw that.

I keep seeing that "quote" referenced. As you noted, it is old. Things have changed. We have several new members following this case. For clarity and to avoid confusion, I was simply being more specific by noting the exact date and time span. :)
 
  • #728
Yes, I saw that.

I keep seeing that "quote" referenced. As you noted, it is old. We have several new members following this case. For clarity, I was simply being more specific by noting the exact date and time span. :)
Thanks for that clarity beach.
So that we will all hopefully get more clarity on this matter, my posted question for SMS when Tricia interviews him this Thursday October 8 is this:
Has Mark Sievers continued to cooperate with the investigation?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...resa-Sievers-amp-more&p=12097063#post12097063
 
  • #729
Thank you for this thought provoking post!

I've thought about this a lot because I know what my gut tells me re. MS involvement, however I'm constantly trying to "check myself" in order to avoid tunnel vision.

I can understand (or at least rationalize) his choice to not address the media and/or reply to a reporter's question with a "no comment" after the July 12th raids in MO. After that date it was very clear his BFF was a suspect . I could understand if his immediate reaction might be, "OMG! CWW? My BFF?! How could this be?! ...Oh no! What is LE going to think? They might believe I knew about this or, worse, had some part in my wife's murder." THEN, I could understand him wanting to zip his lips no matter how it appeared to the public. Even the July 12th date is a little flexible because LE clearly had evidence connecting at least JR, otherwise they'd never been able to secure the warrants. I think LE held things very close to the vest but, considering the MO connection, I imagine it's safe to assume they questioned Mark, choosing their words very carefully, to see if he could offer any helpful info, would be forthcoming and to gauge his reaction to their questions. So, maybe a little earlier but not much because there is no way LE say anything that would tip off Mark to suspect the raids. If anything, Mark probably didn't like the tone of the questioning. (I started to end that last sentence "and decided to shut up". But you can't shut up if you never talked to begin with.)

It is about the choices he made during the time immediately after his wife was found murdered. He never chose to use the media to his advantage by holding a press conference begging the public to please help find the person responsible for killing his beloved wife and mother to their two daughters in such a horribly brutal manner. I am pretty darn sure he didn't do like Mark Klaas and so many others say to LE, "I understand you guys have to clear me. Polygraph me right now! Ask me whatever you please so we can move on and find the person who did this. Quit wasting time and let's get on with it." (No, I don't know that for sure. It is an assumption. In fact, I think I'll post those questions for SMS's interview thread - "Has Mark taken a polygraph? Was he asked to take one?")

He was endorsing a 🤬🤬🤬 page set up with a goal of $1,000,000,000. One million dollars. That page was not set up for the purpose of funding the best private investigators on the planet to locate the killer. That would've gone a long way re. his credibility and integrity.

He wasted no time trying to find a new doctor to take over TS's practice. I could probably even find a way to rationalize that if he were doing ANYTHING proactive trying to find the murderer.


Heck, as disgusting as it was at the time, even Scott Peterson pretended to be looking for Laci.

For me, it boils down to what his priorities were particularly immediately following the murder. They all appear to self-serving. $$$$$$$$$ Not a single plea to help locate the person responsible for taking the life of his wife and leaving his two daughters motherless.

Great post, Beach!

I'd love to know whether MS consented to a polygraph. If he consented, IMO this willingness would tip the credibility scale slightly towards 'not guilty'. For me, if a loved one was murdered I'd want to do everything in my power to help expedite the arrest and prosecution of the perp, including taking a (not always reliable) polygraph to rule myself out so that LE could focus all resources on finding the killer. But as you've keenly observed, it doesn't appear MS's priorities are those one would expect of a grieving husband.

The fundraising account surely doesn't help MS in the credibility arena. I could rationalize the amount sought (maybe he didn't set the amount, maybe he did and his intentions were pure) but for me, that strangest part was this; on July 8 at 5:25PM MS shares a link to the GF account, which could have been an automated post, but on July 8 at 10:59PM, MS shares the link again, with the following message:

I want to Thank everyone for their support and prayers during our time of great sorrow. This fund was set up by a good friend of ours but the monies raised are going to be donated to "Good Shepherd Ministries" of Ft Myers, FL in honor of Teresa. This is one of her favorite non for profit charities that she works very closely with to help get people off the street and to find affordable housing. I hope this does not offend anyone. Again, thank you for your continued prayers and G-d bless you all.
Mark

It could be nothing, but I can't help but wonder what happened prompting MS to change the beneficiaries of the GF from his daughters to the charity? 11PM on Thursday, July 8. Funeral was on July 6. Raid at CWW's was 6AM on Sunday July 12. With regard to the part bolded by me, IMO this sentence is slightly or very suspicious. The way MS distances himself from establishing the account (set up by a friend of ours) he linked to for over a week, announces all the "monies" would be going to charity...all in the same sentence. Why not use the money as a reward to motivate people to turn in the murderer?

As we all know, TS's siblings took over and announced that the money would indeed be going to the girls, IIRC. I want to point out here that, IMO, the sequence of (GF) events helps to show LS had honorable, selfless intention when she set up the GF, i.e. money was actually an issue. Perhaps TS vented to LS and family about debt. Flash forward a few months, MS is ignoring LS's request to remove her name from the website, office answering machine. Not a friendly thing to do, MS.

You pointed out the fact that MS wasted no time in trying to find a replacement doctor and while there could be honorable intention behind his push to keep the practice going, it feels like a stretch to believe this was motivated by anything BUT $elfishne$$. MS's priorities after the murder were self serving. Well said, Beach. Thought provoking.

In fact, now I do think that MS possesses a modicum of self awareness which is why at 10:59PM on July 8 he changed the beneficiaries on the GF. I hope this doesn't offend anyone! Who's going to be offended that MS is donating money raised to charity? No one. He's overcompensating, apologizing for being just so charitable, trying to reinforce that he's the type of guy who is not interested in money. Contrast with the information provided by AmazonRain re: MS's love of money. For the record, MS being a money-motivated person, this in itself (to me) is not terribly suspicious. What is suspicious is MS's desire to be perceived differently, publicly. Maybe this is self-deception, or... a more sinister form of deception.

MS failed to realize the old saying 'actions speak louder than words' in many aspects of this case. For example, MS sent an email to patients explaining that by law, he was required to release medical records. Meaningless words, MS sent the email for the appearance of credibility, integrity. IMO from the moment he hit 'send' on that email, MS had zero intention of honoring patient requests for records. Again, this points towards MS's propensity to deceive, to say the "right thing" with zero intention of following through. Side note: I'm going to look into the consequences of withholding records but if I had to guess, I'd bet the consequences affect only the medical license; MS probably looked into this too, maybe that's why he threw in 'by law' to the email.

JMO. I see a recurring theme of carelessness on MS's behalf with regard to almost everything (except the girls) that TS held dear; her dogs, her patients, her family and her friends.
 
  • #730
For clarity, that video and statement by the reporter referencing SMS was made 8 days after the murder.

It's 15 weeks later now. Since that one statement he allegedly made 8 days after the murder, I have not seen SMS confirm that MS is cooperating. In fact, he has refused to confirm that in every subsequent interview that I have seen/heard.

(I used the word "allegedly" only because SMS is interviewed on camera for over 2 minutes, however those words never came out of his mouth during the video. When they cut back to the studio, the reporter says he told her that. Not insinuating he did not, but I have yet to hear those exact words come out of his own mouth and he has given a lot of interviews.)

Just a thought, and it requires taking Skinner's statements at face value but when LE said MS was cooperating 8 days after the murder...this cooperation might have been cooperation as insignificant as opening the gun safes at LE's request. Answering questions re: was anything stolen from the home.
 
  • #731
Just a thought, and it requires taking Skinner's statements at face value but when LE said MS was cooperating 8 days after the murder...this cooperation might have been cooperation as insignificant as opening the gun safes at LE's request. Answering questions re: was anything stolen from the home.

Right? Can you imagine NOT doing the bare minimum to cooperate if your spouse was killed? You might as well just say "ok, I did it." Which makes it quite telling that the sheriff would not confirm that MS is cooperating when he was last asked. And I don't think the sheriff declined to answer because he was worried for MS's safety. I think it is more likely that he simply no longer playing nice now that he knows LE is onto him and his cronies.


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  • #732
Thanks for that clarity beach.
So that we will all hopefully get more clarity on this matter, my posted question for SMS when Tricia interviews him this Thursday October 8 is this:
Has Mark Sievers continued to cooperate with the investigation?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...resa-Sievers-amp-more&p=12097063#post12097063

Saw your question earlier. My favorite question posted yet.

Because, straight up, if MS IS fully cooperating, I think SMS needs to confirm that.

We can only speculate according to what we know. People perceive and interpret things differently. No matter how strong the opinions expressed, if MS is truly cooperating and is innocent in all this, nobody wants to wrongly suspect a man who has lost his wife and mother to their children. I can understand if SMS isn't willing to confirm that MS has been cleared, but if he is at least cooperating with them, I wish he would disclose that much. That would certainly make me step-back and reassess my line of thinking.
 
  • #733
Creepingskills, the old reverse psychology trick.


"I want to Thank everyone for their support and prayers during our time of great sorrow. This fund was set up by a good friend of ours but the monies raised are going to be donated to "Good Shepherd Ministries" of Ft Myers, FL in honor of Teresa. This is one of her favorite non for profit charities that she works very closely with to help get people off the street and to find affordable housing. I hope this does not offend anyone. Again, thank you for your continued prayers and G-d bless you all.
Mark"
 
  • #734
Saw your question earlier. My favorite question posted yet.

Because, straight up, if MS IS fully cooperating, I think SMS needs to confirm that.

We can only speculate according to what we know. People perceive and interpret things differently. No matter how strong the opinions expressed, if MS is truly cooperating and is innocent in all this, nobody wants to wrongly suspect a man who has lost his wife and mother to their children. I can understand if SMS isn't willing to confirm that MS has been cleared, but if he is at least cooperating with them, I wish he would disclose that much. That would certainly make me step-back and reassess my line of thinking.

It might make me reassess, but I think I would end up in the same place. What would LE be asking of MS that, if he were to cooperate, would help prove his un-involvement--maybe polygraph test? (I guess as long as he passed it) Or admitting to conversations LE believe took place with CWW or JR? (I guess if they were not conversations that point to involvement.) My expectation is that MS would fully cooperate. Anything less than that makes it look like he has something to hide. (But unfortunately, cooperation in itself doesn't necessarily equal innocence because cooperation is required in order to LOOK innocent.)


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  • #735
It might make me reassess, but I think I would end up in the same place. What would LE be asking of MS that, if he were to cooperate, would help prove his un-involvement--maybe polygraph test? (I guess as long as he passed it) Or admitting to conversations LE believe took place with CWW or JR? (I guess if they were not conversations that point to involvement.) My expectation is that MS would fully cooperate. Anything less than that makes it look like he has something to hide. (But unfortunately, cooperation in itself doesn't necessarily equal innocence because cooperation is required in order to LOOK innocent.)


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I get the sense that perhaps MS initially cooperated yet once the questions got too difficult, and SMS was looking hard at MS, especially after CWW and JR's arrests, MS may not be cooperating as he may have earlier on. Moo.
 
  • #736
Regarding SMS, and his willingness to be interviewed. It is to Tricia's credit that he has chosen WS as a forum, but IMO this interview is not something he is doing to be "nice" or to promote himself. I believe he has some very specific objectives and it is the best method for him to send a clear message to one or more people.

I have to ask myself, since he has stated that there will likely be more arrests, who could the message aimed at? Based on all the sleuthing in WS, the only person I feel confident that SMS is after is MS. If this were a case of CWW betraying MS, why would there be more arrests? I know that sleuthing of others is less extensive because of WS rules, but if there were other likely suspects, IMO we would have heard something about it in MSM by now.

Unless SMS is purposely trying to divert attention, and he and MS are in on a clever ruse to deceive the "real killers" (deja-vu all over again), I don't see any other logical explanation.

If SMS and MS are trying to distract the public and others into being suspicious of MS, I'm glad so many of us are falling for it. I would be very happy to have been deceived because ultimately all I want if for the murderers of this innocent victim to be caught so her family can move on as best they can.

But if my suspicions are correct, I think someone is feeling a lot of pressure right now. SMS, IMO, is not playing games.
 
  • #737
One other thought. If MS were fully cooperating, I would be surprised that MSM has not spotted him in the parking lot of LCSO or somewhere similar. I would expect that as close as he was to the accused killer, CWW (and possibly even to the second accused killer, JR), he would have spent hours upon hours giving LE everything he could think of that would help seal the case against CWW. Maybe they are only talking to him by phone, or maybe we just haven't heard about it, but it is one of those things that makes me go hmmmm.

And if he is innocent of TS' murder but doesn't want to cooperate because he doesn't want to implicate himself in an older case? My response to that is "no comment".
 
  • #738
Since this is the motive thread, asking on assumption of MS involvement...

What do you all expect to hear about life insurance? If this was a spontaneous plan that was developed around the time of CWW's wedding, I doubt MS would be dumb enough to take out life insurance right before his wife's murder. Do you think they thought that the 🤬🤬🤬 account was so likely to get funded that they didn't have to worry about it? Or do you think they already had life insurance, and MS thought between 🤬🤬🤬, life insurance, and some bizarre plan to keep the business going without the person who *was* the business, that he'd be set for life?

I guess I'm leaning toward there being some life insurance. If it was taken out within the last year or so, but before the CWW wedding, then my thought is the murder was planned for a while. Otherwise, I think it was just something they had for the business, but may have encouraged him to follow through with the plan.

And the other part of the motive, IMO, is going to be that TS gave indications that she was thinking of leaving the relationship that "no longer served" her. IMO JMO
 
  • #739
Great post Creeping! It's fascinating to watch the pieces of the puzzle falling together that make sense to me regarding MS & TS relationship and what i suspect happened. TS's IQ was obviously very high to be able to become a Dr, however it appears she may have had little common sense in picking a man. She obviously wanted children and had them soon after a short courtship. The smooth talker, always an excuse for everything, never follows through, etc. can take years to surface. I'd be willing to bet she couldn't stand him. An earlier patient mentioned MS getting irritated at her at check out. I bet TS was humiliated. She started figuring out what a loser she was stuck with. Many women marry when they are insecure and leave when they get their confidence. I bet she was not only snooping around her business but was also withholding physical affection. He must have really hated her. All just my opinion.
 
  • #740
i'd be willing to bet there was substantial life insurance
 
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