Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

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  • #741
Since this is the motive thread, asking on assumption of MS involvement...

What do you all expect to hear about life insurance? If this was a spontaneous plan that was developed around the time of CWW's wedding, I doubt MS would be dumb enough to take out life insurance right before his wife's murder. Do you think they thought that the 🤬🤬🤬 account was so likely to get funded that they didn't have to worry about it? Or do you think they already had life insurance, and MS thought between 🤬🤬🤬, life insurance, and some bizarre plan to keep the business going without the person who *was* the business, that he'd be set for life?

I guess I'm leaning toward there being some life insurance. If it was taken out within the last year or so, but before the CWW wedding, then my thought is the murder was planned for a while. Otherwise, I think it was just something they had for the business, but may have encouraged him to follow through with the plan.

And the other part of the motive, IMO, is going to be that TS gave indications that she was thinking of leaving the relationship that "no longer served" her. IMO JMO

i'd be willing to bet there was substantial life insurance

This article appears to confirm that TS had life insurance.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crim...-will-of-slain-bonita-springs-doctor_73390153

One section of Sievers’ will includes dollar amounts of $1.3 million and $3 million, although neither figure is indicative of anything specific to the doctor. Those numbers are found in a section about estate taxes and based on a 2009 tax law that is no longer relevant. Lile said those figures would be found on any will written at that time.

“They’re no indication of whether she had $10 or $100 billion,” he said.

Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said this week that investigators have looked into Sievers’ life insurance policy, but he declined to talk about specifics.
 
  • #742
Since this is the motive thread, asking on assumption of MS involvement...

What do you all expect to hear about life insurance? If this was a spontaneous plan that was developed around the time of CWW's wedding, I doubt MS would be dumb enough to take out life insurance right before his wife's murder. Do you think they thought that the 🤬🤬🤬 account was so likely to get funded that they didn't have to worry about it? Or do you think they already had life insurance, and MS thought between 🤬🤬🤬, life insurance, and some bizarre plan to keep the business going without the person who *was* the business, that he'd be set for life?

I guess I'm leaning toward there being some life insurance. If it was taken out within the last year or so, but before the CWW wedding, then my thought is the murder was planned for a while. Otherwise, I think it was just something they had for the business, but may have encouraged him to follow through with the plan.

And the other part of the motive, IMO, is going to be that TS gave indications that she was thinking of leaving the relationship that "no longer served" her. IMO JMO

I agree with you re: leaning towards life insurance. IMO more than one and the policies were purchased at different times, maybe years between and prompted by different life events. TS was the bread winner, operated a small business with MS, lots of debt, young children. Surely, she would have at the very least, one small policy. On the other hand, I have wondered whether TS's cable deal was the perfect excuse (timing wise) to get more insurance. That is, if her income would substantially increase as a result of the deal, but who knows if the deal was lucrative.

Curious about whether the business (LLC) borrowed money from banks, AFAIK if this happened then MS and TS would likely have been required to personally guarantee the loan. If the LLC was in debt, I wonder about the existence of a policy that could cover outstanding debt in the event of TS OR MS's death.

ETA: After seeing Riversinthedesert's post...did MS think LE would be thrown off re: life insurance because of the fundraising?
 
  • #743
Great post, Beach!

I'd love to know whether MS consented to a polygraph. If he consented, IMO this willingness would tip the credibility scale slightly towards 'not guilty'. For me, if a loved one was murdered I'd want to do everything in my power to help expedite the arrest and prosecution of the perp, including taking a (not always reliable) polygraph to rule myself out so that LE could focus all resources on finding the killer. But as you've keenly observed, it doesn't appear MS's priorities are those one would expect of a grieving husband.

The fundraising account surely doesn't help MS in the credibility arena. I could rationalize the amount sought (maybe he didn't set the amount, maybe he did and his intentions were pure) but for me, that strangest part was this; on July 8 at 5:25PM MS shares a link to the GF account, which could have been an automated post, but on July 8 at 10:59PM, MS shares the link again, with the following message:

I want to Thank everyone for their support and prayers during our time of great sorrow. This fund was set up by a good friend of ours but the monies raised are going to be donated to "Good Shepherd Ministries" of Ft Myers, FL in honor of Teresa. This is one of her favorite non for profit charities that she works very closely with to help get people off the street and to find affordable housing. I hope this does not offend anyone. Again, thank you for your continued prayers and G-d bless you all.
Mark

It could be nothing, but I can't help but wonder what happened prompting MS to change the beneficiaries of the GF from his daughters to the charity? 11PM on Thursday, July 8. Funeral was on July 6. Raid at CWW's was 6AM on Sunday July 12. With regard to the part bolded by me, IMO this sentence is slightly or very suspicious. The way MS distances himself from establishing the account (set up by a friend of ours) he linked to for over a week, announces all the "monies" would be going to charity...all in the same sentence. Why not use the money as a reward to motivate people to turn in the murderer?

As we all know, TS's siblings took over and announced that the money would indeed be going to the girls, IIRC. I want to point out here that, IMO, the sequence of (GF) events helps to show LS had honorable, selfless intention when she set up the GF, i.e. money was actually an issue. Perhaps TS vented to LS and family about debt. Flash forward a few months, MS is ignoring LS's request to remove her name from the website, office answering machine. Not a friendly thing to do, MS.

You pointed out the fact that MS wasted no time in trying to find a replacement doctor and while there could be honorable intention behind his push to keep the practice going, it feels like a stretch to believe this was motivated by anything BUT $elfishne$$. MS's priorities after the murder were self serving. Well said, Beach. Thought provoking.

In fact, now I do think that MS possesses a modicum of self awareness which is why at 10:59PM on July 8 he changed the beneficiaries on the GF. I hope this doesn't offend anyone! Who's going to be offended that MS is donating money raised to charity? No one. He's overcompensating, apologizing for being just so charitable, trying to reinforce that he's the type of guy who is not interested in money. Contrast with the information provided by AmazonRain re: MS's love of money. For the record, MS being a money-motivated person, this in itself (to me) is not terribly suspicious. What is suspicious is MS's desire to be perceived differently, publicly. Maybe this is self-deception, or... a more sinister form of deception.

MS failed to realize the old saying 'actions speak louder than words' in many aspects of this case. For example, MS sent an email to patients explaining that by law, he was required to release medical records. Meaningless words, MS sent the email for the appearance of credibility, integrity. IMO from the moment he hit 'send' on that email, MS had zero intention of honoring patient requests for records. Again, this points towards MS's propensity to deceive, to say the "right thing" with zero intention of following through. Side note: I'm going to look into the consequences of withholding records but if I had to guess, I'd bet the consequences affect only the medical license; MS probably looked into this too, maybe that's why he threw in 'by law' to the email.

JMO. I see a recurring theme of carelessness on MS's behalf with regard to almost everything (except the girls) that TS held dear; her dogs, her patients, her family and her friends.

Thanks and backatcha because this is a GREAT post, creeping!

Originally I was going to snip and reply to this one part but I re-read it so many times, I couldn't dismiss the importance of the timing of the 🤬🤬🤬 changes.

Re.
This fund was set up by a good friend of ours but the monies raised are going to be donated to "Good Shepherd Ministries" of Ft Myers, FL in honor of Teresa. This is one of her favorite non for profit charities that she works very closely with to help get people off the street and to find affordable housing. I hope this does not offend anyone. Again, thank you for your continued prayers and G-d bless you all.
Mark

If this truly was genuine, why not just deactivate the 🤬🤬🤬 altogether? Posting something like this - "I would like to express my sincere gratitude those of you who have donated. In retrospect, we feel it would be more honorable to donate these funds in Teresa's memory to one of her favorite charities, Good Shepherd Ministries. If any of you who have contributed object, please contact me at <insert email address> so that we can refund your donation. We are now deactiviting this account and encourage any of you who would like to contribute in Teresa honor to send your donations directly to Good Shepherd Ministries <insert address>. Thanks and God bless you all. Mark"


Before now, I never really sleuthed and gave a lot of thought to the timing of those changes. However, now that you point it out....I have a flurry of random scenarios bouncing around in my head. Not the least of which is LE had to be talking to him during that time. (specifically around the 7/8...TS had just been buried 2 days before). During an interview, did LE opine about the original 🤬🤬🤬 and let MS know that some people may find distasteful and view it as self-serving? Then he decided, "uh oh." and edited?

The whole "I hope this doesn't offend anyone" is very poor choice of words to convey whatever it is he was attempting to express. Again, if the spirit of his original retraction was genuine, why not just deactivate the 🤬🤬🤬 at the same time? Leaving it up makes no sense to me. Anyone wanting to contribute in TS's name from that minute on could be directed to send their donations directly to Good Shepherd Ministries.


If it turns out he is indeed guilty of playing a part in Teresa's death, this 🤬🤬🤬 is going to be one of the big undoings of him . The whole thing smells to high heaven.
 
  • #744
Whoever set up the funding would have to link a paypal account or banking account to get the access to the funds. So did his friend decide to administer funds in their own account. Or did MS give them the account that they needed to use? The fund was set up the day after her murder. So the grieving process was short lived before the immediate money grab attempt.
 
  • #745
Thanks and backatcha because this is a GREAT post, creeping!

Originally I was going to snip and reply to this one part but I re-read it so many times, I couldn't dismiss the importance of the timing of the 🤬🤬🤬 changes.

Re.

If this truly was genuine, why not just deactivate the 🤬🤬🤬 altogether? Posting something like this - "I would like to express my sincere gratitude those of you who have donated. In retrospect, we feel it would be more honorable to donate these funds in Teresa's memory to one of her favorite charities, Good Shepherd Ministries. If any of you who have contributed object, please contact me at <insert email address> so that we can refund your donation. We are now deactiviting this account and encourage any of you who would like to contribute in Teresa honor to send your donations directly to Good Shepherd Ministries <insert address>. Thanks and God bless you all. Mark"


Before now, I never really sleuthed and gave a lot of thought to the timing of those changes. However, now that you point it out....I have a flurry of random scenarios bouncing around in my head. Not the least of which is LE had to be talking to him during that time. (specifically around the 7/8...TS had just been buried 2 days before). During an interview, did LE opine about the original 🤬🤬🤬 and let MS know that some people may find distasteful and view it as self-serving? Then he decided, "uh oh." and edited?

The whole "I hope this doesn't offend anyone" is very poor choice of words to convey whatever it is he was attempting to express. Again, if the spirit of his original retraction was genuine, why not just deactivate the 🤬🤬🤬 at the same time? Leaving it up makes no sense to me. Anyone wanting to contribute in TS's name from that minute on could be directed to send their donations directly to Good Shepherd Ministries.


If it turns out he is indeed guilty of playing a part in Teresa's death, this 🤬🤬🤬 is going to be one of the big undoings of him . The whole thing smells to high heaven.

I think the 🤬🤬🤬 changes came about due to the huge outcry on this forum, and certain people reading here began to realize the profound blunder of the fundraising effort.
 
  • #746
"I hope this does not offend anyone" comes across as a bit petulant to me.

Moo

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  • #747
Please refresh my memory. How did we come to know that LS is the friend that originally set up the GF? Was she the one that stated this?
 
  • #748
Please refresh my memory. How did we come to know that LS is the friend that originally set up the GF? Was she the one that stated this?
Original MSM reports stated that LS had set it up.

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  • #750
Please refresh my memory. How did we come to know that LS is the friend that originally set up the GF? Was she the one that stated this?

If you go look at the 🤬🤬🤬 account, the first letter written is from LS, appears LS set it up. Second letter is TS's family.
 
  • #751
Keep in mind that if LS set up the 🤬🤬🤬 account (which she says she did), then she did it with the knowledge and cooperation of MS as it was HIS facebook account that was the verified FB account connected to the 🤬🤬🤬 account. If you have ever set up a 🤬🤬🤬 account, you need the FB username and password to have a verified FB account associated with the original request. It is my personal opinion that MS worked with LS on setting up this account but asked LS to take full responsibility at the point that public backlash started over the originally requested $1 million dollar limit.
 
  • #752
Wow, you really have been talking to MS, huh? Let's remember that TS was a doctor with board certification in internal medicine as well as anti-aging medicine. Further she had a supplemental Masters in Science degree. That is more than "a lot of work." MS was NOT responsible for any of that. Keep that in mind when you want to passive aggressively suggest that the doctor we are talking about in this forum was where she was from "a lot of work."

No kidding!

I would never want to be a doctor. Long hours. Big responsibility. I would like to meet the doctor who was not at the top of their class in school. That person does not exist! Aside from the other tests they have to take. Pshaw on not high IQ!
 
  • #753
I am beyond the pale right now.......beyond the pale.

:sigh:
 
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  • #756
I appreciate your optimistic take, really I do. But Skinner said its 'just' long hours and a lot of work, not exactly complimenting the dedication it takes to be a doctor, IMO, he was minimizing how valuable hard work is, as if anyone could do it.

I suddenly wonder, with TS's good looks, her success, and intellect (and even the lifestyle she afforded MS), in contrast to, say, CWW's lifestyle in MO, if there has ever been a feeling amongst MS's old friends that TS thought she was too good for him/them. Was she begrudged a bit for taking him out of that set? That might make it pretty easy for MS to enlist CWW to get her out of his life.


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  • #757
No can do, Pesky.....I'd be in violation of TOS.

Lol. Good answer. Some vacations are not worth the vent. Jmo. Being on a Ws T.o can have one feeling like a deserted puppy that is not allowed in the house while it is freezing outside. Lol
 
  • #758
I suddenly wonder, with TS's good looks, her success, and intellect (and even the lifestyle she afforded MS), in contrast to, say, CWW's lifestyle I'm MO, if there has ever been a feeling amongst MS's old friends that TS thought she was too good for him/them. Was she begrudged a bit for taking him out of that set? That might make it pretty easy for MS to enlist CWW to get her out of his life.


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I can totally see that as a possibility.

Why would MS want TS "gone?" Imo, it's either money OR another woman. It won't surprise me one bit if an affair is eventually revealed.

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  • #759
I can totally see that as a possibility.

Why would MS want TS "gone?" Imo, it's either money OR another woman. It won't surprise me one bit if an affair is eventually revealed.

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Or both.

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  • #760
I can totally see that as a possibility.

Why would MS want TS "gone?" Imo, it's either money OR another woman. It won't surprise me one bit if an affair is eventually revealed.

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IMO, I think TS wanted out of the marriage... and MS wasn't gonna go with out a fight, or...?
 
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