Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

[No it's not]

..
Many of us here are retired ...

..or pretend to work.. ;---)

-Nin

 

[Eileen730]

If there were no family picture inside the house, no name indications (mail on the table, name on front door etc..) and or if he did not pay attention, then I suppose he may have not known at whose house he was. And if he wasn't drunk or drugged up, he was probably busy figuring out whatever he was doing.

So I guess we can not say for sure, whether he knew for sure where he was.

-Nin

Do we know they were inside the house or the garage?
My thinking is they either stopped their mail or had a neighbor get it.

 

[SeesSeas]

I have taken a break and obviously missed a lot.
Could someone please tell me if MS has been named a POI in this case?
TIA

To my knowledge, MS has never been named a POI or Suspect in this case.
The most recent comments that I can find from Sheriff Scott is where he continues to use the phrase “envelope of suspicion” and that “detectives cast the net wide”. No names.

September 10, 2015
http://www.news-press.com/story/new...ers-murder-envelope-suspicion-broad/72004168/
Sheriff Scott said suspicion in a case like this, in which the identity of the person or persons responsible for a homicide is not clear, detectives cast the net wide for suspects as well as witnesses.
"Who would I expect to know more," he said. "A wife, brother, close associate? That's where we go with this."
The sheriff said the ongoing investigation has not rejected any explanations and theories. "It would be premature to rule anything out," he said.
Nobody has escaped that "envelope of suspicion," Scott said, with the net cast as close as her husband. "Husband, wife, children, brother, sister, immediate friends, close family friends and business associates," he said, are all in the envelope when investigating a homicide.

 

[No it's not]

Do we know they were inside the house or the garage?
My thinking is they either stopped their mail or had a neighbor get it.

We know the Dr was killed inside her house. We know CWW and JR are accused of murdering her. I just assume they were somehow inside the dwelling.

Also, I thought a family member was checking on the house?

-Nin

 

[Eileen730]

We know the Dr was killed inside her house. We know CWW and JR are accused of murdering her. I just assume they were somehow inside the dwelling.

Also, I thought a family member was checking on the house?

-Nin

I don't think we were ever told if she died in the house or the garage.
I'm very curious.

I totally believe the 2 murdered her I also think CWW is the actual killer.
Cww knowing TS would have the rage for a violent killing I think JR helped him,
I too think he would try to blame it all on JR.

Guess we just have to wait and see.

 

[Dushi]

To my knowledge, MS has never been named a POI or Suspect in this case.
The most recent comments that I can find from Sheriff Scott is where he continues to use the phrase “envelope of suspicion” and that “detectives cast the net wide”. No names.

September 10, 2015
http://www.news-press.com/story/new...ers-murder-envelope-suspicion-broad/72004168/
Sheriff Scott said suspicion in a case like this, in which the identity of the person or persons responsible for a homicide is not clear, detectives cast the net wide for suspects as well as witnesses.
"Who would I expect to know more," he said. "A wife, brother, close associate? That's where we go with this."
The sheriff said the ongoing investigation has not rejected any explanations and theories. "It would be premature to rule anything out," he said.
Nobody has escaped that "envelope of suspicion," Scott said, with the net cast as close as her husband. "Husband, wife, children, brother, sister, immediate friends, close family friends and business associates," he said, are all in the envelope when investigating a homicide.

When I read the above, what I see is a sheriff who has ruled out absolutely nobody
So there seems to be a lot of suspicion surrounding everyone or was at the time he said this.

 

[PeskySlueth]

Adding to Amazon Rain's points, the PERFECTLY executed (in my opinion coordinated is better word) the perfect 'window' of time where she was 'alone' in the house with the alarm turned off...

My husband and i are very laid back, just plain ol' working stiffs - but both were pretty popular/partied a lot in our 70's past. We knew and still are in contact with many childhood buddies that we drank and even smoked pot with, etc.

We still see many today are now Sunday School teachers, respectable folks. BUT NO WAY, as laid back as we are, WOULD WE EVER LET ANYONE NEAR OUR CHILDREN OR OUR FAMILY AND CERTAINLY NOT THE IT GUY OF OUR BUSINESS IF HE WAS BUSTED FOR METH LAB/POSSIBLE PRODUCTION AND BEEN RUMORED TO BE INVOLVED WITH A DISAPPEARANCE OF A MAN. just doesn't pass the smell test ....all in my humble opinion.

 

[Dushi]

Has it ever been stated by LE where she was killed?
I simply can't remember the facts anymore.
Do we know for sure who was looking after the house or is that speculation also.

Sorry but its hard to know what has come from LE and what we have discussed here at length

 

[observation]

This is the MS speculation thread. It gets tiresome reading and then defending motives and theories where some (to include me) believe he has some measure of guilt. I do not visit the non- MS theories thread and start adding my $.02 . You may postulate being on the fence (not to anyone in particular) to post here but I believe it's easy to see what people's guts are telling them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Dushi]

Adding to Amazon Rain's points, the PERFECTLY executed (in my opinion coordinated is better word) the perfect 'window' of time where she was 'alone' in the house with the alarm turned off...

My husband and i are very laid back, just plain ol' working stiffs - but both were pretty popular/partied a lot in our 70's past. We knew and still are in contact with many childhood buddies that we drank and even smoked pot with, etc.

We still see many today are now Sunday School teachers, respectable folks. BUT NO WAY, as laid back as we are, WOULD WE EVER LET ANYONE NEAR OUR CHILDREN OR OUR FAMILY AND CERTAINLY NOT THE IT GUY OF OUR BUSINESS IF HE WAS BUSTED FOR METH LAB/POSSIBLE PRODUCTION AND BEEN RUMORED TO BE INVOLVED WITH A DISAPPEARANCE OF A MAN. just doesn't pass the smell test ....all in my humble opinion.

I could not agree more!
Did MS have CWW around his children, I mean, I don't know.
Did they all socialize together? Go to dinner, have visits?

And I also agree, wouldn't want him involved in my business either

 

[Eileen730]

Even if I wasn't close to this case (which gives me a biased and informed perspective) I would still have a high amount of suspicion for the husband at the point that a lifelong friend of the husband became involved. This wasn't a friend that MS met a few months ago at a gym or someone that he knew nothing about this is a friend that MS knew for the past 30 years that he chose to involve himself with year after year not to mention stand up at his wedding two months before the death of his wife. Based on how "close" everyone is from that part of Missouri, along with identical looks, similar interests (computers/"entrepreneurship"), same background addresses and the fact that this friend was involved with the business that MS managed is enough for me to say - very suspicious. Once I then add my personal knowledge of MS as a person and a husband my suspicion turns into outright belief of his guilty involvement. I want to add that even if it comes out that MS led police to CWW or cooperated in any way I will still believe of his guilty involvement. This guy is a master of manipulation in my book who is obsessed with money and I thought that before (IMO) he was involved with killing TS.

What if he is just Ambitious? Wants nice thing for his family. I have a friend in this same situation where she is a physician and he stays home and helps her out in her office and with the kids. There are many families out there like this.
I really cant wait to hear the Motive here.
Till then I'm on this darn fence lol.

 

[PeskySlueth]

Good questions Dushi, I don't have definitive answers but it is not a big leap for me to think that if MS thought enough of this creep (CWW) to stand up for him in his wedding and have him his IT guy that occasionally their paths would cross. To what extent, i have no clue. At the very least, the kids could have been dropped off at mommie's office and the IT guy was in there from one of his IT visits.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Yes, it is unusual for an innocent victim to make no statement, no appeals to the public for info, no statement thanking LE for arresting those responsible.

There haven't been any significant court proceedings yet, just an arraignment and bond hearing, iirc.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

My view: I don't find it unusual at all. How many murders are committed each year and we never hear a peep from victim's spouses, family members or friends, even to make appeals.

How many murders are committed where the spouse is never declared publicly by LE to be (innocent) uninvolved and cleared while the investigation is still open? There must be many, many cases where LE knows for certain that the spouse had nothing to do with a murder, but never lets out a peep.

I'm totally guessing that maybe no appeals were made publicly by MS because LE already knew or suspected whodunit. LE made the statement very early on that they'd never seen so much evidence. Possibly or probably MS suspected or knew who did it and why and told LE his suspicions and reasons. On the other hand, appeals are made by LE even when LE is positive who did it because there can ever be too much evidence to ensure a conviction.

There have been cases here where we suspected the spouse because they made no statements, no appearances, no interviews at all - not one word. In one specific case I'm thinking about now, even when she finally they made a public appeal for information, people were suspicious. That spouse had nothing to do with her husband's murder at all. She was judged for her posts on fb after the murder and when more information came out about the circumstances of her husband's murder.

MS may be guilty, I don't know. I just don't think that particular behavior is suspicious. Other things, distasteful, oh, yessssss. But, not suspicious.

 

[human]

To me, the most bizarre thing is the accounts . Who does that? People in desperate straits that one can understand. Huge medical bills, other tough issues.

To be thinking of cash practically the second your wife is gone-- wow!
M
TS family seems dignified. MS long term friends-- beyond dysfunctional and shady. I cannot imagine keeping a long term buddy who is so disturbed. Why? They live so far apart. That is a huge red flag. MS not only n knew about the meth, but I cannot imagine that he did not know the Ronnie B story.

No need to hold onto that past life when he has a new wonderful life in Florida.

 

[Dushi]

This is the MS speculation thread. It gets tiresome reading and then defending motives and theories where some (to include me) believe he has some measure of guilt. I do not visit the non- MS theories thread and start adding my $.02 . You may postulate being on the fence (not to anyone in particular) to post here but I believe it's easy to see what people's guts are telling them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My sincere apologies.
Its a bit confusing as to which thread to be in .
Marks involvement/non involvement seem to blend a bit

Sorry you find it tiresome
I will try to be more careful where to post my thoughts or questions

 

[observation]

I could not agree more!
Did MS have CWW around his children, I mean, I don't know.
Did they all socialize together? Go to dinner, have visits?

And I also agree, wouldn't want him involved in my business either

You may want CWW involved in your business if you were dabbling in "left of center" affairs, though. Maybe MS kept this friendship for MO and TS and the girls were kept out of it in term of socializing, visiting etc.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Even if I wasn't close to this case (which gives me a biased and informed perspective) I would still have a high amount of suspicion for the husband at the point that a lifelong friend of the husband became involved. This wasn't a friend that MS met a few months ago at a gym or someone that he knew nothing about this is a friend that MS knew for the past 30 years that he chose to involve himself with year after year not to mention stand up at his wedding two months before the death of his wife. Based on how "close" everyone is from that part of Missouri, along with identical looks, similar interests (computers/"entrepreneurship"), same background addresses and the fact that this friend was involved with the business that MS managed is enough for me to say - very suspicious. Once I then add my personal knowledge of MS as a person and a husband my suspicion turns into outright belief of his guilty involvement. I want to add that even if it comes out that MS led police to CWW or cooperated in any way I will still believe of his guilty involvement. This guy is a master of manipulation in my book who is obsessed with money and I thought that before (IMO) he was involved with killing TS.

Thank you. I trust your instincts as a very credible insider.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

 

[Dushi]

You may want CWW involved in your business if you were dabbling in "left of center" affairs, though. Maybe MS kept this friendship for MO and TS and the girls were kept out of it in term of socializing, visiting etc.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes, maybe he did

I was responding to Peskysleuth.
She was concerned about kids being in the presence of CWW.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

You assume it would be a "her", if there was an affair?

-Nin

Very very good point. That would explain such a brutal hateful murder.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

 

[Eileen730]

You may want CWW involved in your business if you were dabbling in "left of center" affairs, though. Maybe MS kept this friendship for MO and TS and the girls were kept out of it in term of socializing, visiting etc.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What if CWW inserted himself into TS. business. or online life financially?