Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

[FightTheOstrich]

I was wondering what we could do until more facts are released, and I thought maybe a "Just The Facts Jack" thread might be helpful for each of us to go back to to be sure if something was fact or speculation. Links must be provided, and the standard to be considered fact needs to very high. For example, if SMS states something as fact that can be considered fact, generally. But, that MS was definitely at JR's home because a neighbor said she saw him and a car with FL plates should not be considered fact because it is hearsay, MS and CWW look a lot alike making it possible it was CWW and not MS, and CWW could have FL plates because he reportedly lived in FL as late as 2014. Personally, I think MS may very well have been at JR's home, but I cannot consider it fact. Anyway, I sent an IM to beach and asked her about starting a thread with facts only. We could organize, each person take certain threads, and note accepted facts with links for us all to refer back to. It may be too much, but it could be helpful. LE does this to keep their heads straight. It helps them; maybe it can help us.

Might as well start one now. Once the warrants are unsealed it might be quite helpful.

 

[human]

Of course they can hug and still be straight! Especially BFF's

In Minnesota, men do not hug, I think as a retired person that I may have never seen it. Or if I have, it is so rare I do not recall it.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Maybe it's time for a debate thread? Give everyone something to do while we wait for news.

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Yeah, baby!

So, one for MS not involved :therethere:
One for MS involved :jail:
One for lively, intelligent discussion! :fence:

That'd work. Maybe. We might need a babysitter, though. illowfight2: :chillout: eace:

I vote yes. Do I get a vote?

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Yeah, baby!

So, one for MS not involved :therethere:
One for MS involved :jail:
One for lively, intelligent discussion! :fence:

That'd work. Maybe. We might need a babysitter, though. illowfight2: :chillout: eace:

I vote yes. Do I get a vote?

I'll start one... We'll see if the mods allow it.

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[relay]

Might as well start one now. Once the warrants are unsealed it might be quite helpful.

Since I already asked beach about starting a Just The Facts thread, I'll wait to hear if it is okay first. Don't threads need to be approved first?

 

[kammiemc]

I think a large part of why some of us were mistaken about this thread (me lol, thinking it was not exclusively for assuming that MS is involved in his wife's murder) could be that the concept a new thing here - the permission to be able to discuss the potential guilt of a spouse who hasn't been named as a POI. Historically, WS is deemed to be "victim friendly" and until a spouse was named as a suspect or arrested, they were to be considered to be off limits as any other victim.

It's just so new to some of us. We can get used to it.

eace:

If you guys are lucky, I might even master the concept of not writing run-on sentences. :drumroll:

Thank goodness we have the mods to keep clarifying! Oer and oer and oer agin.


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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Since I already asked beach about starting a Just The Facts thread, I'll wait to hear if it is okay first. Don't threads need to be approved first?

You can start one. It goes to a mod before it goes public, so they can decide and approve.

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[relay]

You can start one. It goes to a mod before it goes public, so they can decide and approve.

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Thanks Wyle . I posted the new thread and will await mod approval.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Bumping from the first post in the Transition thread...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12046576

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Please post in the appropriate topical thread or generate a new thread and a mod will review and approve ASAP.

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[arizona sunshine]

Lots of hacking would be my guess.

add in:-

plus I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth



IMO

 

[beach]

Since I already asked beach about starting a Just The Facts thread, I'll wait to hear if it is okay first. Don't threads need to be approved first?

Approved. Thanks! The direct link is here.

 

[IQuestion]

In Minnesota, men do not hug???, I think as a retired person that I may have never seen it. Or if I have, it is so rare I do not recall it.

BBM
Oh men in MINNESOTA HUG A LOT, Check out these Minnesota Wilds!!!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/pu...-happy-blues-and-holy-getzlaf?urn=nhl,wp16043
Lots of hugs all over Minnesota, having passed the gay marriage act 2 years ago.
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site569/2013/0513/20130513__Gay marriage Senate_300.jpg
However, I think the problem is that the men, JRR, CWW & MS we are talking about, probably "hugged" too much." Ie, embracing crime, instead of humanity.

 

[relay]

Approved. Thanks! The direct link is here.

You're welcome, and thank you!

 

[relay]

BBM
Oh men in MINNESOTA HUG A LOT, Check out these Minnesota Wilds!!!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/pu...-happy-blues-and-holy-getzlaf?urn=nhl,wp16043
Lots of hugs all over Minnesota, having passed the gay marriage act 2 years ago.
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site569/2013/0513/20130513__Gay marriage Senate_300.jpg
However, I think the problem is that the men, JRR, CWW & MS we are talking about, probably "hugged" too much." Ie, embracing crime, instead of humanity.

Great post!

 

[beach]

Maybe it's time for a debate thread? Give everyone something to do while we wait for news.

Sorry Wyle, but nope. No way. Been there, done that. It's for your own protection. I'm thinking some of you guys would like to be around and able to post here when CWW finally arrives in Florida.

Yeah, baby!

So, one for MS not involved :therethere:
One for MS involved :jail:
One for lively, intelligent discussion! :fence:

That'd work. Maybe. We might need a babysitter, though. illowfight2: :chillout: eace:

I vote yes. Do I get a vote?

Sorry Felicity, but nope. No voting democracy here.

One day you'll thank me for denying your right to vote on this one.

 

[human]

Not sure if this is where we were talking about CWW's work or not,

But here it is

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-Jr-hung-twice-Teresa-Sievers-dead-home.html

It says he worked as a computer technician for the practice. It says he worked remotely from MO and would fly to Florida sometimes.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Sorry Wyle, but nope. No way. Been there, done that. It's for your own protection. I'm thinking some of you guys would like to be around and able to post here when CWW finally arrives in Florida.



Sorry Felicity, but nope. No voting democracy here.

One day you'll thank me for denying your right to vote on this one.

Thanks, Beach. I thought it would probably go that way, but no harm in asking.

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[Timekeeper65]

Too many coincidences for me. I do suspect MS had a hand in the murder of Teresa Ann Grace Sievers. Amazonrain paints a picture for me regarding the traits of MS. And I have come to trust Amazonrain.

1. Victim home alone.
2. Apparent disarming of alarm system.
3. MS BFF suspect in murder.
4. Picture proof MS and JR at the very least conversed and knew each other (at the May 2015 wedding of CWW).
5. weirdness.
Pretty sure there are more but I can't think of them right now.

O/T - Human, congrats on 10,000 comments on Websleuths.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Sorry Wyle, but nope. No way. Been there, done that. It's for your own protection. I'm thinking some of you guys would like to be around and able to post here when CWW finally arrives in Florida.



Sorry Felicity, but nope. No voting democracy here.

One day you'll thank me for denying your right to vote on this one.

Oh, I know you're right No need to wait for some day; I thank you now.

My thoughts don't always come out as I intended and I hatehatehate misunderstandings!


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[No it's not]

.. we will hopefully find out soon. In the meantime, I have not changed my mind about the "mistake" with the pried open garage side door. I thought from the very beginning, that the broken-in side door and the "hammer" was a mistake.

Here is again why and with more detailed knowledge afterwards regarding the alarm system:

Let's take a step back and just pretend the arrests of JR and CWW never happened, no Missori connection whatsoever. It would look like a burglary gone wrong. Dr would have either stepped into a burglary in progress or it was a home invasion during which Dr S was killed. This would have been the desirable outcome of whatever plan was employed by the perps.

However, something made LE find out very early in the investigation - according to Sheriff Mike Scott- that suggested it was not , what it was looking like: It was not a random burglary.

We know now the alarm was OFF. We do not know, when the alarm had been disarmed or who disarmed it.

As we remember MS made the statement according to a family member, that perhaps his direct family member had forgotten to set the alarm. We all discussed it and a poster suggested, that MS should not be privy of this info, since perhaps Dr S could have entered a house with a disarmed alarm system, and she could have later rearmed the system. That was a great thought! Here is why:

MS DID NOT EXPECT THE ALARM TO BE OFF!! HE EXPECTED THE ALARM TO BE ON!! He was sincere in thinking that the family member simply missed to activate the alarm system. The video camera in front of the garage was previously adjusted to point away towards the right or back of the house, not the front. Later someone (!) readjusted the camera to point towards the front again.

JR and CWW both expected the alarm to be on! They waited for Dr S to arrive home, to disarm the system (she may have been surprised the system was off, if she even realized) and then sneaked through the front garage door, when she entered the premises with the van.

She closes the door, they wait until she enters the next possibly locked connection door (by that time the alarm is either disarmed or she goes to disarm it now) and attack her perhaps while entering the kitchen or even before, when she was still in the garage getting her luggage out of the car?

There is a picture of that door and kitchen on MS' FB photo page. They kill her either with a knife or strangle her. She has no chance, no defensive wounds, nothing.
They then go back to the side garage door and pry open the door from outside with a - hammer. They need to make it look like a burglary AFTER DR S CAME HOME. A burglary prior to that would not be possible with out the alarm going off - or so they THINK!
They now go back into the kitchen and "hammer" her "to death", so that there is a nice connection between a pried open door (with a hammer) and a "hammered" victim.
LE discovered early, that the movements between the main crime-scene and the surrounding area went back and forth.
Notice also the garage side door shows no damage around the deadbolt area/frame. That door was not dead bolted! Why not? That door would have been easy to open without any damage! But no, they had to use the hammer for the "burglary-victim" connection.
In my mind, JR and CWW did NOT know the alarm was off. That was not the information the plan was based on. Without the alarm set, they could have had access AT ANY GIVEN TIME prior to Dr S arrival. Her arrival was necessary to enter the house without tripping the system. Even if they discovered upon their arrival, that the alarm was deactivated, they stuck to their plan.

If anything, any individual not reactivating the alarm would have had absolutely no fault whatsoever (if that even happened). The attack was based on ALARM ON. It would and did(!) happen anyway. It may even help the prosecution and therefore getting justice for Dr Sievers!!

All of that is just my theory of course.

-Nin