Dr. Teresa Sievers - Motives and Theories (Including MS speculation)

[Maxine2U]

Just curious (since JR's FB page is gone), was he posting hitman stuff before all this happened? Why the heck would anyone trust him NOT to talk? They had to know his personality. Doesn't make sense to hire a "squeaky hammer", especially if they were so careful to cover their tracks. I don't get that part of a "for hire" theory.

BBM - I don't know but that's a good one! Maybe CWW wasn't on FB. And maybe JR tried to be all tough guy when around CWW.

 

[howonkee]

BBM - I don't know but that's a good one! Maybe CWW wasn't on FB. And maybe JR tried to be all tough guy when around CWW.

No, CWW was on facebook.

 

[creepingskills]

Just curious (since JR's FB page is gone), was he posting hitman stuff before all this happened? Why the heck would anyone trust him NOT to talk? They had to know his personality. Doesn't make sense to hire a "squeaky hammer", especially if they were so careful to cover their tracks. I don't get that part of a "for hire" theory.

BBM, exactly! Makes no sense. Only if CWW didn't trust anyone but himself to get the job done does this scenario make sense. But if that's the case, then why enlist an accomplice to your crimes? Why risk the liability with JR? You don't, or you do because you need the murder to look like it was done by someone random, and possibly for evidence that, in retrospect, will point to JR as the killer.

I wonder if CWW let JR dispose of the jumpsuit in furtherance of his back up plan, a trail of evidence leading straight to JR, Plan B. Plan B would only be needed if LE didn't fall for the staged breaking & entering of the PED garage door, burglary gone wrong was Plan A.

 

[creepingskills]

I've thought about motives every which way and I keep coming back to the simplest theory; MS hired CWW, this was a regular disgruntled spouse contract killing. The plan was staged to be a burglary gone wrong, and instead of the usual 'hit' weapon of choice, they used household items for the murder. Why? If it looked like a regular hit, LE would look to MS and because MS was using his BRO for the murder, that absolutely could not happen - MS didn't want LE to suspect it was a hit and thus suspect him. IMO, the brutality was the result of staging to cast suspicion off of MS, the obvious suspect.

 

[Lilibet]

I've thought about motives every which way and I keep coming back to the simplest theory; MS hired CWW, this was a regular disgruntled spouse contract killing. The plan was staged to be a burglary gone wrong, and instead of the usual 'hit' weapon of choice, they used household items for the murder. Why? If it looked like a regular hit, LE would look to MS and because MS was using his BRO for the murder, that absolutely could not happen - MS didn't want LE to suspect it was a hit and thus suspect him. IMO, the brutality was the result of staging to cast suspicion off of MS, the obvious suspect.

BBM

What you say makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, MS hiring CWW IS the simplest theory. When I first heard of this case, I remember thinking "How convenient! The husband wasn't home." But I've really stood on my head and twisted myself into a pretzel since then trying to find motives that do NOT involve MS. He's a victim, after all, until proven not to be one. I don't like to rush to judgement. But I'm starting to lose my balance on the fence!

I just wonder if they had a "Plan B" in case CWW and JRR were arrested. What evidence will be needed to tie MS to the plot? How well could he have insulated himself in case his bro turns into a canary? Did MS even know JRR would be there?

 

[No it's not]

BBM

What you say makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, MS hiring CWW IS the simplest theory. When I first heard of this case, I remember thinking "How convenient! The husband wasn't home." But I've really stood on my head and twisted myself into a pretzel since then trying to find motives that do NOT involve MS. He's a victim, after all, until proven not to be one. I don't like to rush to judgement. But I'm starting to lose my balance on the fence!

I just wonder if they had a "Plan B" in case CWW and JRR were arrested. What evidence will be needed to tie MS to the plot? How well could he have insulated himself in case his bro turns into a canary? Did MS even know JRR would be there?

I think JR being arrested was the plan B. Plan A was they would get away with it. CWW being arrested was not planned at all. They either ran out of plans by now, or there is a "master plan", that triggered both arrests. In that case, the "master planner" yet has to be revealed..

-Nin

 

[Lilibet]

I think JR being arrested was the plan B. Plan A was they would get away with it. CWW being arrested was not planned at all. They either ran out of plans by now, or there is a "master plan", that triggered both arrests. In that case, the "master planner" yet has to be revealed..

-Nin

I agree that they thought they would get away with it. But I still wonder why they would have such confidence that they wouldn't be implicated if JR was arrested. Loose lips sink ships. So do bloody jumpsuits.

If I read you correctly, you are saying that, alternatively, it's possible that there is a master planner who manipulated both CWW and JR, knowing they'd likely be arrested. That master planner has insulated himself completely...or so he hopes. That would be a "WOW" for sure. But when LE figures it out, what will that master planner do? That's what is concerning.
JMO

 

[SurfieTX]

The crux of all of this for me after reading the Bolin reports is WHY MS kept an ongoing relationship with CWW. Fear? Loyalty? Love? He had to know about Ronnie's murder. Had to. I think CWW and Ronnie were intimate at some point too, which was the root of the "spill the beans" statement.

 

[creepingskills]

The crux of all of this for me after reading the Bolin reports is WHY MS kept an ongoing relationship with CWW. Fear? Loyalty? Love? He had to know about Ronnie's murder. Had to. I think CWW and Ronnie were intimate at some point too, which was the root of the "spill the beans" statement.

Some people, IMO, take great pride and pleasure in being the goto friend, the buddy who will always help a bro out, no questions asked. There is this deep desire to be needed, to be important, to be trusted held by this type of person. MOO, MS is one of these people. That's why he publicly claimed CWW as a 'brother' on FB. He's proud, not fearful of CWW.

I'm thinking that when CWW took a 'vacation' to FL days after RB went missing, MS was in FL and/or MS arranged for CWW to stay with MS's family who was in FL during the relevant time period. The ongoing relationship could be a way of ensuring loyalty in the long term for both MS and CWW.

IF MS did help CWW in FL after the RB murder, then MS would be 'owed' a favor by his bro. Perhaps MS called in that favor and TS's murder was the result.

 

[relay]

Some people, IMO, take great pride and pleasure in being the goto friend, the buddy who will always help a bro out, no questions asked. There is this deep desire to be needed, to be important, to be trusted held by this type of person. MOO, MS is one of these people. That's why he publicly claimed CWW as a 'brother' on FB. He's proud, not fearful of CWW.

I'm thinking that when CWW took a 'vacation' to FL days after RB went missing, MS was in FL and/or MS arranged for CWW to stay with MS's family who was in FL during the relevant time period. The ongoing relationship could be a way of ensuring loyalty in the long term for both MS and CWW.

IF MS did help CWW in FL after the RB murder, then MS would be 'owed' a favor by his bro. Perhaps MS called in that favor and TS's murder was the result.

Great insight, creepingskills.

 

[DexterMorgan]

None of them in MO was living the beautiful doctor wife dream. So maybe CWW felt ms was a goody show off and decided to bring him down to a trailer park lifestyle.

Or maybe CWW felt that with TS dead. He would be able to borrow 50k from mark via the insurance money while also making it easy to use ms name for credit cards and loans without TS being around to cause problems. Idk

 

[human]

Reading about RB and the people surrounding that death, it is easy to see the greedy fund for cash. Why not get a huge payout right now instead of drips and drabs of money,

Time for fun fun fun, whatever that would be. They aren't getting any younger.

 

[DexterMorgan]

BBM, exactly! Makes no sense. Only if CWW didn't trust anyone but himself to get the job done does this scenario make sense. But if that's the case, then why enlist an accomplice to your crimes? Why risk the liability with JR? You don't, or you do because you need the murder to look like it was done by someone random, and possibly for evidence that, in retrospect, will point to JR as the killer.

I wonder if CWW let JR dispose of the jumpsuit in furtherance of his back up plan, a trail of evidence leading straight to JR, Plan B. Plan B would only be needed if LE didn't fall for the staged breaking & entering of the PED garage door, burglary gone wrong was Plan A.

I doubt it. That will only work if you killed him. Remember they were caught at Walmart. So CWW knew that jr would have proof that he wasn't a lone wolf that weekend.

Plus calls and texts may have connected them as well. I think CWW felt very confident due to the 1200 mile distance between his house and the crime scene. He thought once they made it home that it was over.

But what he forgot was that MS associates will all be scrutinized due to his perfect alibi. Which put CWW in the cross hairs.

 

[No it's not]

I doubt it. That will only work if you killed him. Remember they were caught at Walmart. So CWW knew that jr would have proof that he wasn't a lone wolf that weekend.

Plus calls and texts may have connected them as well. I think CWW felt very confident due to the 1200 mile distance between his house and the crime scene. He thought once they made it home that it was over.

But what he forgot was that MS associates will all be scrutinized due to his perfect alibi. Which put CWW in the cross hairs.

'So CWW knew that jr would have proof that he wasn't a lone wolf that weekend.'

...proof, that he was not alone in Walmart/ Florida on that Saturday (time). Anything else, we do not know yet.

-Nin

 

[FelicityLemon]

I don't doubt MS would have been aware of at least some the rumors, but if CWW is any kind of "charismatic leader" type, he could have been very convincing with whatever denial he told him. MS may not have known the extent of the investigation with CWW as the target. I don't know how LE handled it; sometimes they want everyone to know they're looking at someone in the hopes someone else may speak up. Other times, they play it close to the vest so as not to spook the suspect and then continue to watch him.

 

[creepingskills]

I doubt it. That will only work if you killed him. Remember they were caught at Walmart. So CWW knew that jr would have proof that he wasn't a lone wolf that weekend.

Plus calls and texts may have connected them as well. I think CWW felt very confident due to the 1200 mile distance between his house and the crime scene. He thought once they made it home that it was over.

But what he forgot was that MS associates will all be scrutinized due to his perfect alibi. Which put CWW in the cross hairs.

You doubt that CWW considered pointing the finger at JR, if need be? Why wouldn't he ask JW or someone else who hasn't ratted on him for the RB murder, those are unique secret keeping pals, friends that stood the test of time. JR does not fit.

In regards to Walmart, we know that JR was identified by the video and that CWW 'was with him'. We don't know if CWW was in the store with JR or in the car.

 

[DexterMorgan]

You doubt that CWW considered pointing the finger at JR, if need be? Why wouldn't he ask JW or someone else who hasn't ratted on him for the RB murder, those are unique secret keeping pals, friends that stood the test of time. JR does not fit.

In regards to Walmart, we know that JR was identified by the video and that CWW 'was with him'. We don't know if CWW was in the store with JR or in the car.

I'm just saying. If plan b was to make it look like jr did it if plan A (don't get caught ) failed; Then it would have been best to kill jr and dispose of his body.

Because once jr is caught. He would rat out CWW. So I doubt a plan B would have consisted of making sure all the evidence points to jr without making sure you kill jr. Since you know that he could be future trouble. Jmo

 

[CoolJ]

I'm just saying. If plan b was to make it look like jr did it if plan A (don't get caught ) failed; Then it would have been best to kill jr and dispose of his body.

Because once jr is caught. He would rat out CWW. So I doubt a plan B would have consisted of making sure all the evidence points to jr without making sure you kill jr. Since you know that he could be future trouble. Jmo

I have to strongly consider whether or not JR would rat. In the circles these guys travel in, snitching just is not in their vocabulary. If he snitches it could very well mean a death sentence for him and those close to him. If he keeps his mouth shut he may have a relatively comfortable life in prison.
This type of criminal element, innocent or guilty, just do not talk to LE. I think we are dealing with high levels of organized crime. JMO

 

[questioneverything]

That has always been my original take on the situation. You don't brutally and repeatedly hit a person in the head with a hammer unless it is personal. CWW was angry about something to do with TS or MS or both. But TS got the brunt of the anger. Basic psychology dictates that with the rage shown here, the murder was personal. JR was nothing more than the intended fall guy and depending on how well LE does its job, he may yet be the only one to go to prison. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Paulas88]

That has always been my original take on the situation. You don't brutally and repeatedly hit a person in the head with a hammer unless it is personal. CWW was angry about something to do with TS or MS or both. But TS got the brunt of the anger. Basic psychology dictates that with the rage shown here, the murder was personal. JR was nothing more than the intended fall guy and depending on how well LE does its job, he may yet be the only one to go to prison. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I think the brutality of the murder, was to throw the LE off to the fact, that it was indeed a hit for hire. (JMO)