DY and TY feel this was planned ahead of time.

[waltzingmatilda]

Perhaps Tony and Desiree asked him what was wrong, but he couldn't really explain it.
He was supposed to go there that weekend, and maybe something happened that he COULD explain.

It's possible that he did say to TH,, "I told Mommy----" whatever , in the past.

Now he was getting ready to tell Mommy a real biggie.

This statement is so true. When my DD was 3 she cried and cried about going to day care while I worked. she was in the 3 yr old class and my son in the infant room. All she would ever tell me is that she was afraid because 'they close doors'. I talked to the director who told me that it was probably because they closed the door to the infant room which separated her brother from her during naptime. I quit my job due to her fear and misery and stayed home with them and we moved to a different town shortly after. I am so glad I followed my gut instinct.

Years later, when my DD was 16, she told me why she was so afraid. Her teacher had locked her in a dark closet one day as punishment! She told me she was afraid to tell for fear she would be in more trouble for getting in trouble in the first place. Sheeeesh, talk about feeling like a Mom! I beat myself up over it for awhile. My DD is a beautiful well adjusted young woman now, in spite of what she went thru.

Kids don't come with a manual, and parent's play alot of guessing games while raising them but that's what we're posed to do....parent is a verb moreso than a noun.
(psst BTW, that daycare has now been shut down by the state and some peeps are serving some time.)

Kyron may have been hesitant to share things regarding the H home for fear of being in more trouble.

Poor little man. I just wish for him to be found and brought home. Where are you Kyron?

Moo

wm

 

[human]

When I divorced the father of my two daughters, after a year or so one of them wanted to go and live with him - I believe she was 12 or so. As much as it broke my heart, I let her move without any nasty scenes. I loved my daughter enough to let her go for her own happiness.

Courts do let children make that kind of decision around that age where I live as well.

But this child was 7, which is a different ball game.

If TH is a master manipulator, and I feel that she is, she would know how to make his life miserable, but look like the darling mother to her hubby.

I know of another family and the SM involved. The SM is soooooooo sweet and caring . The step daughter was a teen and said how SM was so sweet in front of Dad, but the minute Dad was not there, SM was mean.

The girl loves her Dad , so she wanted to visit him. She was older so she could talk about her experiences and deal with them so she thought it was funny.

 

[Haeve]

It could be that with a new baby in the home and TH having mood swings, Kyron was no longer the center of attention, the home was now turbulent, and he preferred to stay with Desiree. It's very typical that a child wants to stay with the parent that they see less often. I don't think he was physically abused. I am more interested in Tony's statement that he believes TH did something, my understanding is that he is a detective so for me, that statement speaks volumes. Please bring this to some sort of closure soon, the pain and agony the parents are going through is horrible.

BBM

Sorry, I don't have time to catch up on this thread so forgive if it's been stated before. There are other kinds of abuse that don't show...much--verbal, emotional, and sexual. I'm not saying TH did any of those things but I had to put that out there.

 

[Mylou]

My greatest sympathies are with Kyron, he is the victim.

 

[SurfieTX]

I'm just amazed at all these "red flags" they keep bringing up and no one did anything about it. True, not everyone would imagine something like this, but most concerned parents would suspect something was going on, enough to raise their concerns with the other parent, at least.

I can't help but wonder... I am not slamming the parents, but they just don't seem to be at all surprised with all these things coming out now... and that does concern me.

Given the mysterious doctor's appointment (having teachers fill out paperwork for said appointment lends me to believe it was for ADD or some other behavioral diagnosis) and the statement about working with Kyron on listening or whatever was said, I think Des could have very well been swayed and led to believe that any problems were Kyron's alone and not family oriented.

ETA: And also that TH and Kaine were addressing them through the proper avenues.

ETA #2: Also, with the end of the school year being so near and Kyron coming for a good portion of the summer, Des could have been waiting to spend time with him one on one, observe his behavior, talk to him, etc. I know that toward the end of the school year I tend to think, "Okay, just one more week - let's get through this, and then I/we can work on "X."

 

[21merc7]

Yeah, can we leave the abuse allegations out maybe? Nothing was said as such. These bits of interviews do nothing but make implications that can go in every direction. Seems once it is posted all over the internet, then everyone thinks it is a truth.

Yes, I hope the parents talked with Kyron about this. It could have been something, could have been normal, could have been stress. We just don't know. Just my thoughts.

 

[PoppyH]

My greatest sympathies are with Kyron, he is the victim.

ITA and I believe he payed the ultimate price in this whole mess

 

[human]

Who knows what kind of things TH did say Kyron, such as if you tell, the boogeyman will get you or who knows?

We can't guess because we are not that way.

And if Desiree had told Kaine, would he have believed her? They look united now, but after all, they did get divorced.

I agree totally. Unless Desiree had strong proof, she was left sitting in that position.

It is not easy to get your child from a custodial parent no matter how much you think you could move heaven and earth to do it.

 

[Mylou]

ITA and I believe he payed the ultimate price in this whole mess

He does/did, which ever turns out to the be truth.
Regardless who, what, how, he was the one deceived and betrayed, no matter where he turns up to be.

 

[PoppyH]

I also believe as they go through the Mechanical stuff, and interview friends, LE is finding out more and more about Terrys state of mind leading up to Kyrons disappearence, along with Kaine and Desiree realizing now that things just weren't right.JMO

 

[Kimster]

Some Oregon info on child custody coming from someone who dealt with it regarding a step-child:

Oregon does not have a law regarding letting a child choose where they want to live.

Oregon doesn't like to change custody arrangements unless both parents agree or there are already issues with the welfare of the child that can be documented such as not being provided proper health care or not being provided an education or documented child abuse. My ex got custody of his child when he was failing school and the school called him to tell him the bio-mom wasn't responding to their pleas to help him. He wanted custody for years before that and his attorney advised him that there wasn't enough evidence to make a custodial change and he would be wasting his time.

 

[Littleone48]

With the history of this family and divorce I would think that if D felt something wrong she would attempt do something about it. After all there is a reason why she got a RO against K when they were divorcing.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I am glad to see TY along with DY in this video. I like that DY spoke directly to 'whoever has Kyron'. If Kyron is alive and being held by someone, this plea may give the someone pause and Kyron could be returned home. I know that'a a long shot but that's what I would be hanging onto if I were in Desiree's shoes.

I'm also glad that KH took a break from interviews. Holy Moly it seems as though the heavens opened up a dumped a huge pile of BS right on top of this man! I can't imagine how he is dealing with everything at this juncture in time but am just thinking of all the sudden changes in his life that he's endured thus far. I feel for him.

This darned fence is causing me problems and I don't know what to think anymore. TY's words do have an impact on my thought process at this time though.

MOO

wm

 

[Day Dreamer]

And we still don't know that she did.

At this point, my sympathy quotient for any of the adults is dwindling fast. As someone said upthread a piece, (paraphrase) "The more they open their mouths, the more I shake my head."

God, I wish I could ride on the bandwagon with everyone else, it gets kinda dusty walking behind with only a few who want truth more than blood.

My opinion only

B&RBM I have changed my mind as far as Terri's involvement. I think it would require too much of a coincidence for her not to be involved somehow. With that said, I am with you on wanting the truth no matter where it leads us.

IF Terri was not involved and LE could prove who was I would not be disappointed. All I care about is finding Kyron and punishing the person responsible. The very last thing I want is for an innocent person to take the fall.

 

[cluciano63]

For weeks, I have been waiting for Desiree to address the "person who has Kyron" directly and now that she has...it seems hollow and sad. I can't imagine that Terri, who had to look for a landscaper to try to place a hit on her husband, has anyone in her life willing to do this...it is unimaginable to me. Maybe if it had lasted for a day or two, but going on six weeks, no way. People just don't do something like this for other people. Even if Terri had convinced someone at the time that it was for Kyron's own good, there is no way that person could think that now. This just makes me sad and frustrated and I can't imagine thinking, as parents, that you know in your heart that someone has done something terrible to your child, and you are helpless to do anything about it.

 

[~greeneyedgirl~]

Hmmm... I'm trying to figure out how it has progressed from... they were totally "blindsided" ... to this..

Hindsight is 20/20....

 

[Day Dreamer]

Divorce and custody are sticky situations. It's not like Desiree could just take Kyron and that's that. Family court would have been involved, and there, you have to have more than just suspicion and accusation to get a child removed from a home. You have to have solid proof that abuse is going on. We don't know if something was in the works for Kyron to go live with his mom or if Kaine would have fought it hard and Desiree knew she wouldn't get the custody of Kyron she wanted. Courts tend not to rip children out of homes unless there is proof of abuse. Desiree could have all the suspicion in the world, but that wouldn't have been enough. I'm just saying it's not as easy as he complains, Desiree takes him, the end. The reality of the situation is far more complicated than that.

I do wonder, though, if TH was worried about Kyron leaving and how that would make her look. Two sons gone within a year? That doesn't look good at all for her. Plus, she knew a lot of parents in that school. Maybe she couldn't handle having to explain why Kyron was no longer going to be there? Narcissists can't deal with things that will make them look bad.

Anyway, back on topic, it's complicated and I doubt she ever thought this woman would actually make her son disappear or really hurt him. DY, and KH are the victims here and should be cut some slack instead of slammed for not seeing the signs or doing something sooner.

Very well said! I completely agree w/ you!

 

[wondering1]

Very well said! I completely agree w/ you!

Me too. And, imo, DY's situation would be even more difficult because she works and TH stayed at home.

 

[SurfieTX]

I'm still having such a hard time wrapping my brain around "planning" something like this. What do you do, take notes? Look at your calendar for good dates for an abduction? I can better understand a "heat of the moment" type of thing, but a cold, calculated plan by an otherwise stable and normal-appearing mother and wife??

 

[cakegirl0905]

From my own experience when a child crys not to go home, abuse is the reason. This makes me very sad for Kyron, and even more afraid.

Not always. Sometimes it is just the fact that they will miss the person (in this case his momma and stepfather), that they are leaving.

110% agree. In my opinion, I don't believe that Kaine abused Kyron in any way, or would have let Terri abuse him (if he knew or saw it). I think Kaine was a bit oblivious to Terri's behavior, however. But I also suspect Terri put on the "good mommy" act.

I think Kyron just missed his mommy and didn't like being separated from her.