DY and TY feel this was planned ahead of time.

[Day Dreamer]

Hmmm... I'm trying to figure out how it has progressed from... they were totally "blindsided" ... to this..

IIRC, DY said, looking back, there were red flags she should have seen. I guess no one wants to believe anything like this could ever happen to them. Maybe Kyron's reactions are making more sense to them since his disappearance and all of the crap hit the fan about TH.

 

[BeanE]

"Without a doubt," Desiree Young said, Terri Horman plotted the boy's disappearance.

"I think it was very planned," she said, sitting next to her husband, Medford police detective Tony Young.

Tony Young agreed.

"I absolutely believe that Terri Horman is responsible for Kyron's disappearance," he said.

Desiree Young said she overlooked warning signs from her son before he vanished.

She described "red flags," such as Kyron's increasing unhappiness with returning to his father and stepmother's Portland home after visiting his mother.

"He wanted to come live with us," she said. "Several times he would just break down and sob because he wanted to stay."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_1.html

 

[watchful_eye]

The more they say, the more I shake my head.

Me too. THis whole case, this whole family, is unraveling day by day.

The fact that Kyron would cry at the idea of going back home to live with Kaine and Terri is VERY UNSETTLING. I have a feeling there was a lot more tension in that house than we are led to believe at this point, and Kyron hated it. Even if it was not direct abuse, there was some sort of hostility or tension, at the least.

Children can have very good instincts about people and behavior. (Granted, they can also be naive and trust the wrong people, but still..). Children can often sense or pick up on emotions or moods in adults such as depression, anger, resentment, even if they aren't openly expressing them or being physical.

Maybe Terri started making Kyron feel uneasy with strange behavior??? And he sensed something was not right.

 

[ami]

I also agree that it's fairly normal for a child of divorce to cry when they leave one home or the other and say they want to stay, or tell the non-custodial parent they want to live with them and don't want to go home. It's complicated, how their emotions are torn, and this is how kids communicate. They don't have the mature language to express it, so they do it fairly simply: I want to live with you, I don't want to go home, it makes me sad, etc. When in fact they can get back to their primary residence and be perfectly happy.

I think it's also common to look back in time, after a tragedy, and see signs that NOW seem so obvious. In the moment it's easy to deny what you see or your gut feels. I think it's probably happened to all of us. We're so reticent to push that nuclear button when there's still hope that everything is essentially ok.

 

[Trident]

I'm guessing there was at least emotional abuse. The kind that makes the kid choose red squirrels and everything else mom likes in order to please her to the max. The kind that maybe even makes him obediently smile for the camera best he can in every single picture, although I'm not as sure about that part. I just know all kids aren't that good in front of the camera.

Actually, I have a very unhappy grandson who smiles like that in front of the camera. He shows his teeth, clenched together in a BIG smile, but inside he's crying.

I don't mean to say Kyron was that unhappy with KH and TH because I don't know, just making a point.

 

[Trident]

ClueMeIn, I mean it boggles my mind that all these "things" went on, and it looks like even with all the "weird behaviour/flags", TH was still the one who had the responsibility for Kyron.

ITA. If my child were changing, getting tearful about leaving, I would make it a point to find out why. Maybe everyone was too busy leading their own lives to be bothered?

I know this sounds hateful and hurtful, but sometimes you gotta look at it from the child's point of view instead of your own.

My opinion only

 

[Mylou]

I wonder if any of this, about Kyron's feelings were addressed with all parents, whether they discussed it or not.

 

[BeBeBru]

I recall that in one of the first interviews with KH, he talked about how great a kid Kyron
is...he mentioned the fact that he would not come out of his room in the mornings until
someone came to get him. Kyron would just wake up and get a toy to play with and sit
in his room until someone came to get him! This statement echos in my mind and pulls on my heart strings.....My child would always wake up and come busting out of his room looking for me every morning. Every child is unique in their own way but did Kyron stay in his room because he was told to do so??? (maybe by TH) JMO. I do think that she planned this for a long time and I think that Kyron was getting older and was becoming more aware of his surroundings. It is hard to tell what he heard or saw with "that SM".
I pray that today will be the day that Kyron is found alive.

 

[Day Dreamer]

So it is obvious that the other parties involved are confident in saying that they 100% believe Terri is involved in Kyron's disappearance.

They believe it was planned (possibly out of spite) and basically they think Terri is sitting back and saying "Im not telling you a thing"

That has to be so extremely frustrating!!

Obviously she isnt telling her attorney anything either.

Tony really tipped me on the fence a bit. For him to publicly speak of his feelings speaks volumes to me.

BBM To do what TMH has done, there has to be some extreme hate among them. I can't even begin to imagine that kind of hate. I honestly don't know how DY has been strong enough not to beat the total crap out of TMH. I'm not sure I would be able to stop myself if I were in this type of situation and it just dragged out for weeks.

Tony ... I TOTALLY AGREE!

ETA: I am definitely NOT a violent person; but, if my child were in danger / missing, I'm sure I would do a lot of things that I would not normally do.

 

[SurfieTX]

I wonder if any of this, about Kyron's feelings were addressed with all parents, whether they discussed it or not.

We have heard snippets about the doctor's appointment of unclear significance as well as "working with Kyron on listening to adults" or some such thing. I forget the exact wording used.

 

[RubyRed]

Agreed. Hindsight is 20/20. Now, all their time is spent thinking about every word, every gesture, etc., and also, perhaps now they see things that may have appeared innocuous before in a different light.

bbm

That is what I was thinking.

 

[Trident]

Sure seems like the handwriting was on the wall, and there was an elephant in the room. Poor Kyron

Thing is, I'm still not sure we know what the elephant is/was.

My opinion only

 

[nursebeeme]

Thing is, I'm still not sure we know what the elephant is/was.

My opinion only

our poster emma peel said it best the other day (to paraphrase her post I had said when the murder for hire came out that I had been waiting on the other shoe to drop. Emma said (paraphrase) this case is a spider and seven more shoes may be dropped.

Emma sure nailed that one on the head!

And Trident, I agree with you... I think there may be a herd of elephants in the room.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I guess no one wants to believe anything like this could ever happen to them.

The odds are very, very small that something like this will happen in a specific family.

 

[txanmom]

ITA. If my child were changing, getting tearful about leaving, I would make it a point to find out why. Maybe everyone was too busy leading their own lives to be bothered?

I know this sounds hateful and hurtful, but sometimes you gotta look at it from the child's point of view instead of your own.

My opinion only

and why oh why didn't they try to have him come and live with them, if that is what he wanted? at least a discussion of the possibility with KH? I don't get it? If my flesh and blood was unhappy and needed me, i would move heaven and earth to do so....

 

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[curiousgirl2010]

I think EVERY family has problems. At least most families do. Specially when stepparents are involved and 2 sets of family have to "get along" for the sake of the kid.

I am sure DY saw things she didn't like about KH and TH's household. But, ultimately, she did trust them with her kid.

Honestly, I think if something happened to most kids, we'd be able to see some sort of "red flag" on his/her behaviour.

With that said, I don't think Kaine, Desiree or Tony EVER imagined Terri would hurt Kyron. Mistreat him? Possibly... murder him? I doubt it.

 

[A_Closer_Look]

I think EVERY family has problems. At least most families do. Specially when stepparents are involved and 2 sets of family have to "get along" for the sake of the kid.

I am sure DY saw things she didn't like about KH and TH's household. But, ultimately, she did trust them with her kid.

Honestly, I think if something happened to most kids, we'd be able to see some sort of "red flag" on his/her behaviour.

With that said, I don't think Kaine, Desiree or Tony EVER imagined Terri would hurt Kyron. Mistreat him? Possibly... murder him? I doubt it.

I 100% agree with everything you just said. Thank you!

 

[human]

It's not that easy to get a child from the custodial parent and can you imagine the added stress that would make?

TH probably never hit him, but rather did things that could not be pinned down and explained by a child to an adult. Clever things like "losing his favorite toy" or giving baby K things that he would not get. Who knows.

But he was acting out at school to the point that it had been brought up by the teacher to the parents.

The teacher would be wracking her brain for what could be happening in this situation with the loving parents.

She probably would imagine some kind of medical cause, especially if the parents had been working on issues of not listening at school.

TH's mother said that he was timid, but the principal said he was "energetic." Maybe the 2 are not polar opposites. IDK

 

[Amster]

Desiree says she feels guilty about missing the science fair because she had to work....I wonder how far in advance Terri knew that Desiree was not coming?