Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[Mitsana]

More and more "no body" murders are bing tried, so cause of death is not the absolute it once was.

lease:

THANK YOU CLU I really needed to hear this, my heart hurts

The murder of Sierra Lamar is being tried without a body right now.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sierra-LaMar-Family-Friends-Frustrated-By-Delays-213352231.html

 

[Lordeebee]

A new effort is being spearheaded by Dylan's mother and supporters called "Justice for Dylan". They're working with law enforcement to track down his killer.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/342996/222/Elaine-Redwine-Whoever-killed-my-son-is-a-monster

 

[ColdHands]

Don't those No Body cases generally have something else though, like a scene of a crime? This case doesn't seem to have anything - no scene, no weapon, now no COD. Seems like you'd need to have at least one of these to come up with a theory of a crime.

Now, wrongful death civil suit, that would be something else with a different set of criteria.

 

[Helenstreet]

Don't those No Body cases generally have something else though, like a scene of a crime? This case doesn't seem to have anything - no scene, no weapon, now no COD. Seems like you'd need to have at least one of these to come up with a theory of a crime.

Now, wrongful death civil suit, that would be something else with a different set of criteria.

My understanding is that other evidence was found in the five day search in addition to Dylan. Because this is an active criminal investigation, I would be very surprised if law enforcement publicized exactly what they found. They could very well have a proverbial "smoking gun" in this case, and we would not know that. They are not required to release all of their information to anybody at this stage of the investigation--even Dylan's parents. I am hopeful because of the fact that they have apparently requested that Mark Redwine come in tomorrow. Just MOO.

 

[Tink56]

Don't those No Body cases generally have something else though, like a scene of a crime? This case doesn't seem to have anything - no scene, no weapon, now no COD. Seems like you'd need to have at least one of these to come up with a theory of a crime.

Now, wrongful death civil suit, that would be something else with a different set of criteria.

I can think of cases in which murder/kidnapping charges were brought without bodies (at least initially) and/or crime scenes.

Drew Peterson (wives), David Westerfield (Danielle Van Dam), and Antolin Garcia Torres (Sierra LaMar) are 3 that come to mind.

 

[cluciano63]

Don't those No Body cases generally have something else though, like a scene of a crime? This case doesn't seem to have anything - no scene, no weapon, now no COD. Seems like you'd need to have at least one of these to come up with a theory of a crime.

Now, wrongful death civil suit, that would be something else with a different set of criteria.

We really don't know what LE may have. They have been super quiet and said from the start they would not be releasing evidence until the end of the case. And they also said they they have a lot of pieces of evidence, a few months ago. Putting it all together may form a solid case.

 

[Eileen730]

You are right that this was the story put out by the press. But I am just saying that I think Elaine was filled in about the possibility of the remains, earlier than Thursday. Just speculating. But sometimes detectives and victim's families become very very close under these kinds of circumstances. I bet Elaine would be given this kind of loyalty and courtesy, to be given the hard truth immediately, and not to wait for her ex to return from his road trip, to hear the horrible news. JMO

I think there would be major problems if LE told Elaine and not Mark!

 

[Lordeebee]

Isn't it possible that the backpack and/or other belongings could be in the lake? Could the HR dogs have caught a scent due to this?

I keep thinking about how on the Tricia show, the most descriptive answer MR gave about where he had searched was the culverts around the lake.

ETA: Made me think how one could worry that a piece of evidence could get caught up in one of the culverts, and want to make sure that didn't happen.

 

[katydid23]

I think there would be major problems if LE told Elaine and not Mark!

I don't think so. Elaine was at the search site and Mark wasn't. So if she happened to see what was happening, they would give her a clue. Mark was out of state, so they had no responsibility to have that convo with him at the time.

 

[katydid23]

We really don't know what LE may have. They have been super quiet and said from the start they would not be releasing evidence until the end of the case. And they also said they they have a lot of pieces of evidence, a few months ago. Putting it all together may form a solid case.

From your fingertips to God's ears. raying: :star:

 

[ColdHands]

All my opinion:

Assuming LE doesn't have more or much more to go on, I would expect them to start back at square one examining what they do have in light of the fact they now know where Dylan ended up. And that, IMO, would begin with talking to everyone who had relevant information, especially MR since he was the last to see Dylan. So I don't believe that this conversation with MR tomorrow is anything more than that.

But we'll see what time brings. I could be wrong.

 

[Mitsana]

This is very old news, from the start of the investigation, but interesting to note nonetheless:

"The Task Force is asking the general public if they have any recreational video footage that includes vehicles traveling on main routes between Durango and Vallecito Lake, taken between 6:00 p.m. on Sunday, November 18 through noon on Monday November 19, to call dispatch at (970) 385-2900 to make an arrangements to get a copy of the footage to the Task Force."

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1095

Dylan was reportedly last seen by his father at 7:30 AM on Monday, but they wanted film of any traffic as far back as 6PM the previous evening. Hopefully they got some good footage.

 

[katydid23]

All my opinion:

Assuming LE doesn't have more or much more to go on, I would expect them to start back at square one examining what they do have in light of the fact they now know where Dylan ended up. And that, IMO, would begin with talking to everyone who had relevant information, especially MR since he was the last to see Dylan. So I don't believe that this conversation with MR tomorrow is anything more than that.

But we'll see what time brings. I could be wrong.

I don't think MR will be arrested tomorrow, but I do believe it is more than just an informal conversation just for the heck of it.

The way Mark described it ' a RETRACING of the facts of the case'---sounds to me like they want HIM to retrace his steps for them. And this time they have more info, possibly ping maps, cell logs, witness testimony, etc etc.

I firmly believe that LE has their sights set on him as their most likely suspect. And I think they have some circumstantial evidence and possibly even a bit of forensics. But I don't think they have the smoking gun yet.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe they will present MR with some conclusions/evidence they have and ask for an explanation? (If they do, hope they have comfortable chairs...lol)

 

[SCHMAE]

From very early on they said it was a criminal investigation right? Before or after the search of the trucks and the search warrant to the house? They also were given an opportunity early on to say if the public should be concerned and declined to do so. So I would guess that means they found something other than theories and timelines. I mean if all they have to say this is a criminal investigation is that Dylan would not go up there on his own..... well that can NOT be all they have . Don't you think? One speck of physical evidence somewhere in a vehicle, yard, home, etc would make me feel much better about any chances of a trail with no COD

 

[cluciano63]

From very early on they said it was a criminal investigation right? Before or after the search of the trucks and the search warrant to the house? They also were given an opportunity early on to say if the public should be concerned and declined to do so. So I would guess that means they found something other than theories and timelines. I mean if all they have to say this is a criminal investigation is that Dylan would not go up there on his own..... well that can NOT be all they have . Don't you think? One speck of physical evidence somewhere in a vehicle, yard, home, etc would make me feel much better about any chances of a trail with no COD

For all we know, dogs could have hit on a vehicle or in the house. It is not like LE would have announced it and it would not have been enough to make an arrest, as we have seen in Lisa's case. But there could be something like that, as well as other bits of evidence pointing to a homicide. I am still really hoping they worked off cell pings or GPS to find him, regardless of what they are saying. It just seems impossible to me that he should be found at all, without something specific leading them to the site. And then finding small bones-they were really searching, i.e. knowing he was up there, IMO

 

[Tink56]

For all we know, dogs could have hit on a vehicle or in the house. It is not like LE would have announced it and it would not have been enough to make an arrest, as we have seen in Lisa's case. But there could be something like that, as well as other bits of evidence pointing to a homicide. I am still really hoping they worked off cell pings or GPS to find him, regardless of what they are saying. It just seems impossible to me that he should be found at all, without something specific leading them to the site. And then finding small bones-they were really searching, i.e. knowing he was up there, IMO

I was just reminded of Scott Peterson driving to the bay in which Lacy's body was eventually found. Was it you or someone else who suggested that LE may have put a tracker on MR's truck when they took it in for searching. Who knows....

Also, don't some vehicles have "black boxes" that record data??

 

[SuziQ]

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Hate to say this out loud, so forgive me - but if for instance there was a physical piece of evidence found near the remains (a shoestring, a tarp, a knife i.e.), wouldn't this also point to a homocide? Or, if the body had been intentionally dismembered after death and before it was left in the woods and there was evidence to show this, but not enough to conclude COD?

What your are speaking of is MOD. Cause of death=COD, is literally what caused the death. Manner of death=MOD, is homicide, accident, suicide or undetermined. In the case the ME will probably determine that the COD is undetermined, but the manner is homicide.

 

[SCHMAE]

For all we know, dogs could have hit on a vehicle or in the house. It is not like LE would have announced it and it would not have been enough to make an arrest, as we have seen in Lisa's case. But there could be something like that, as well as other bits of evidence pointing to a homicide. I am still really hoping they worked off cell pings or GPS to find him, regardless of what they are saying. It just seems impossible to me that he should be found at all, without something specific leading them to the site. And then finding small bones-they were really searching, i.e. knowing he was up there, IMO

We have had lots of cell ping/towers talk, but I cannot remember all of it. Could Dylan's phone have been ON and UNUSED and disposed of with him , and a day or 2 later ran out of battery and went silent? By the time they track its pings was a bit later and by then the phone might have been moved by someone or by weather or animals and was no longer where it last PINGED but close enough to the area to know it was where the phone should NOT have ever been? They said Dylan's last communication was on Sunday night but IIRC it was never said his phone never made another PING after that . Am I forgetting something important here? tks

 

[Foxfire]

I was just reminded of Scott Peterson driving to the bay in which Lacy's body was eventually found. Was it you or someone else who suggested that LE may have put a tracker on MR's truck when they took it in for searching. Who knows....

Also, don't some vehicles have "black boxes" that record data??

Brought over from thread #1

Quote: Foxfire

Seems logical that MR may have unsuspectingly drove around with a GPS (Global Positioning System tracking) device attached to his vehicle, giving investigators coordinates to focus their recent search, imo...

http://www.patc.com/enewsletter/legal-answers/4-oct08.shtml

QUESTION:

Is a court order or search warrant required prior to placing a GPS surveillance device on a vehicle for an on-going investigation? Are there any court cases on this?

ANSWER:

The short answer is “no, unless you intrude into protected ‘curtilage’ for the purpose of installing the device.”

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