Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[JaxFlaGal]

I think that the biggest problem is the lack of cell towers in the area. In order to triangulate the signal, you need 3 towers, but there aren't 3 close enough to the area to be used. Without triangulation (or GPS, which his phone didn't have), the pings can tell that the phone is north of a tower, south of one and west of another, etc., but can't tell how far north/south/east/west of a tower it is. I believe they would have known that he was in the general area, but couldn't pinpoint it any closer than within a few miles. MOO

As I understand it you don't need specifically 3, but the more available, the more accuracy can be obtained. Here's one article I found that had a good graphical depiction of how add'l towers impact accuracy (I hold no opinion of the site as a whole, just found their description helpful):
http://wrongfulconvictionsblog.org/2012/06/01/cell-tower-triangulation-how-it-works/

 

[Confusion]

As I understand it you don't need specifically 3, but the more available, the more accuracy can be obtained. Here's one article I found that had a good graphical depiction of how add'l towers impact accuracy (I hold no opinion of the site as a whole, just found their description helpful):
http://wrongfulconvictionsblog.org/2012/06/01/cell-tower-triangulation-how-it-works/

You need 3 to triangulate the signal (tri means 3 ) I know quite well how they work, and with less than 3, you can't get much accuracy. If there are 2, and the phone is between them, it would narrow the area down significantly, but it would still mean anywhere east of one and west of the other, or south of one and north of the other. MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

In regards to whether Dylan's phone could have been pinged later, the only reference that I've seen mentioned was from MR himself. If I understand correctly, he is saying the cell phone went to the music prompt or voice mail for days.




Awesome ! This is great news and I never heard it before . This means the phone could still PING wherever it was and probably near or with Dylan during the days that it was still ' on' . WOW ! TYVM

So I jumped the gun a bit? This is not really new news ? I had coffee after dinner, so ... I'm a little excitable.

 

[gitana1]

In regards to whether Dylan's phone could have been pinged later, the only reference that I've seen mentioned was from MR himself. If I understand correctly, he is saying the cell phone went to the music prompt or voice mail for days.




Awesome ! This is great news and I never heard it before . This means the phone could still PING wherever it was and probably near or with Dylan during the days that it was still ' on' . WOW ! TYVM

I think it's a safe bet that Dylan's phone was not pinging anywhere, let alone Middle Mountain Road. If it was pinging from there, that would be a first place LE would have searched. It took them quite some time to start searching there.

I read that Dylan's phone last pinged at 9:37 pm Sunday and his last text to his buddy was at 8:00 pm that night. I read that on the threads.

I believe you forgot to state that was your opinion. My educated guess is that the phone was probably on or it would have gone directly to e-mail. I already explained why the pings wouldn't lead them directly to the phone - in my opinion.

I believe "I think it's a safe bet" is the same as "in my opinion". She didn't state it as fact. I'd like to keep this thread open and non-confrontational.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe it was not technology but witnesses that led to the search and recovery, or perhaps a combination of both.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Anyone have any ideas as to what would be a fantastic hiding place for a backpack but not a body? I don't know why someone would bother to hide them separately, unless maybe there was some evidence on the pack.

The middle of the lake? Maybe the pack would sink but the body wouldn't stay.

Maybe some small but inaccessible space in a building? Not a good place for a body.

One crazy idea I had would be to donate it and the contents to a thrift store, after buying a load of other used goods at a different thrift store to provide camouflage. If no one realized it was the missing pack, it would go to a new owner, none the wiser.

In general, why not just leave the pack with the body?

Sorry I'm behind as usual and in catch up mode so, forgive me if this is already been thoroughly discussed..

IMO the reason that first comes to mind in questioning possibly why was it that the backpack, fishing pole, etc were not just disposed of with the body is the fact that if this murder was as some have theorized in it being IN NO WAY PREMEDITATED, BUT RATHER A SITUATION THAT WENT SIDEWAYS AND RESULTED IN DYLAN'S DEATH..IMO in that scenario I can see possibilities of there having been an escalation of tension between the two that at the time it peaked and Dylan ended up dead that they were NOT IN THE HOME, but rather either en route to or from somewhere and while they were away from the home that it is then that the escalation peaked resulting in his death.

In such a scenario it would have Dylan separated from his belongings at the time of his death.. His belongings and fishing pole would be in the home with Dylan's death having taken place at a location away from the home..therefor you would have the possible hiding and disposing of the body immediately thereafter the death occurred .. Afterward in returning back to the home there would be the realization of all of his belongings and what and where would they be put, disposed of, or should they be left in the home..IMO a wide range of choices in what to do with his belongings and what choice would best suit the scenario that was going to be given as to how his son came to be "missing".. He left out with all his belongings?.. Or that he left out with nothing and his belongings were all in dad's home?.. Should some be taken and some left behind?..

As I said many many choices of what to do once the death had occurred away from the home and his body having immediately thereafter been disposed of or hidden..and then to arrive back home and realize the belongings were there and what was the best way to handle all of the belongings of Dylan's in dad's home.. IMO I actually can see how the fishing pole being removed came to possibly be in looking at a scenario such as these above where the death took place away from the home and that the issue of all of his belongings being in the home was an issue that came as an afterthought upon arriving home with his body already hidden..

In thinking about the various choices of what to do I can see his possibly thinking to throw in the fishing rod as only another afterthought in preparing on how the gone missing scenario was being conceived after the fact of Dylan's death and the body already hidden.. IMO I could see him thinking that the fishing pole would be a good explanation of where his son may have gone off "missing" to while he was out running errands..as well as it would also serve as a great diversion tactic of misleading investigators toward searching nearby water for his body in knowing that his body was not going to be located in those bodies of water..

IMO it also fits with the initial statements made early on by Mark in his stating he had from the get go been directing LE to search the lake due to the fact that Dylan's fishing pole was "missing" along with his son..in that scenario all misleading in knowing for certain his body would not be in those areas he was adamantly stating from the get go should be searched..

All jmo in looking at the possibilities of why Dylan's backpack, belongings, and the missing fishing pole were not found with or around him..JMO in giving scenarios of how or why this possibly could have happened *IF* Mark is responsible for Dylan's death.. Again MOO!

 

[cluciano63]

Okay, assuming someone ELSE is a suspect (as I believe they have had one for some time) have any other search warrants been issued to do forensic searches of homes? Wouldn't the media in such a small town/area have gotten wind of such a search? And IMO, this almost had to be a local perp, due to Dylan's location. LE said they had a lot of evidence, a while back. Where could evidence have come from, if not to do with MR, if there have not been any other searches?

I believe someone said the police officer had either made bail, or had a very low bail. Would this be the case if they had possible evidence against him a murder, I wonder? (I do not think he is the perp, just anticipating, lol.) Is it easier to keep someone in jail, once there, than to put someone there? Meaning they may not have quite enough to charge MR if he is their suspect, but would have done more to make sure the cop stayed in jail, if he was in their sites? Does that make sense...

Also, I think that if MR is the perp, the backpack, etc. were gotten rid of later on, after Dylan. Perhaps if Dylan died in the house, his body was only there a matter of minutes.

 

[Confusion]

I'll see if I can find a link to this, but I just remember that it was early in the search when it was said. At one point, Bender (I think) said that the last time the phone was used was Sunday night, but he wouldn't discuss when it stopped pinging He also said once or twice that they were watching his pings right along, which sounds to me like there were some after the last usage. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

I thought Bender said they were checking into his pings, way back on NG the first week. He sounded uncertain and I did not get the impression he was fully informed on the phone issue.

 

[jjenny]

I thought Bender said they were checking into his pings, way back on NG the first week. He sounded uncertain and I did not get the impression he was fully informed on the phone issue.

Since then LE have said there was no activity whatsoever on the phone since Sunday evening. I take it to mean the phone was not pinging anywhere.

 

[azgrandma]

A new effort is being spearheaded by Dylan's mother and supporters called "Justice for Dylan". They're working with law enforcement to track down his killer.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/342996/222/Elaine-Redwine-Whoever-killed-my-son-is-a-monster

Here's the link for the family Justice for DYLAN page, if you are interested.
https://www.facebook.com/justicefordylanredwinefamilyapproved

 

[SCHMAE]

I guess no activity means different things to different people. I don' think of a ping as an activity. But that's just my opinion and I'm admittedly a techno idiot so I could be wrong. I'm hopeful that the phone pinged a bit after Dylan's last activity.

 

[caffeinejean]

I read that Dylan's phone last pinged at 9:37 pm Sunday and his last text to his buddy was at 8:00 pm that night. I read that on the threads.

LE's last press release.........
An updated timeline for Dylan’s activities on Sunday November 18th has been released:

5:46PM Dylan arrived at Durango-La Plata airport.
7:05 PM Dylan at Durango Walmart
7:22 PM Dylan at Durango McDonalds
9:37PM Dylan’s last electronic device communication (texting)

The last person identified as having seen Dylan is his father, Mark Redwine.
Mr Redwine told investigators he saw Dylan at his Vallecito home early Monday morning, November 19th.
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Officially, this is all we have.
I only put up the transcript from MR and Tricia because that is the only mention I have ever seen of the possibility for pinging beyond the 9:37 pm activity. Take it for what it's worth, and consider the source (MR).
Sorry, if I caused some confusion. Thanks

 

[cluciano63]

LE's last press release.........
An updated timeline for Dylan’s activities on Sunday November 18th has been released:

5:46PM Dylan arrived at Durango-La Plata airport.
7:05 PM Dylan at Durango Walmart
7:22 PM Dylan at Durango McDonalds
9:37PM Dylan’s last electronic device communication (texting)

The last person identified as having seen Dylan is his father, Mark Redwine.
Mr Redwine told investigators he saw Dylan at his Vallecito home early Monday morning, November 19th.
...........................................................................................................

Officially, this is all we have, although it has been confirmed that DR's iPod was the last EDC.
I only put up the transcript from MR and Tricia because that is the only mention I have ever seen of the possibility for pinging beyond the 9:37 pm activity. Take it for what it's worth, and consider the source (MR).
Sorry, if I caused some confusion. Thanks

Lol I guess it depends if this includes the phone communicating with towers.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I am so far behind, I may never catch up. Apologies if I answer things that others have answered:

This is also taken over from the media forum.

I can't stop looking at these photos and wondering. Can someone local tell us? Is that A -where dr was located an overlook or driveway?? a turn around-Was the ground area like that before or mostly dirt as a result of the investigation? I am a little confused now.

This is the middle mtn area.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35231&d=1372375181

Also another question who what why....did MR go to the Marshal? Can anyone tell us what State Marshal's do in colorado? TIA

The A that you reference here is, IMO, the base station for the search, not where Dylan's remains were found. This area is used by ATV riders, as there is a trail named Beri ATV trail, so it most likely looked like that before. (Reference to the trail over in the Media thread with the gate locations post #134)

Can you show me the route one would take by car that is more direct? Thanks.


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This may be the same thing you were looking at, but you only have to go down to the top of Vallecito Reservoir, then back up to get from Mark's house to what is, IMO, the base station for the search:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35230&d=1372375171
This area is about a half mile north of the first gate, which looks like it usually opens around May 1, depending on the snow.
Referenced here:[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9618427&postcount=134"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9618427&postcount=134[/ame]

I think Mark misspoke about having to travel through Bayfield, although there is an actual Middle Mountain further out.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/343074/222/Redwine-death-will-likely-remain-undetermined

Sheds of one of Dylan's shirts??? Does this mean the one he was wearing, or one from his backpack?

It's possible they don't know. There may be only black shirt with no design or tags remaining. I assume they have DNA evidence on it, or it was found with his remains.

"I've been up on Middle Mountain several times driving through there, trying to see if there's any particular area that kinda stands out to me. It's a road about 10 miles long up into the back country, so I mean it's very heavily wooded...there's a million little side cutoffs for ya know ATV type vehicles and motorcycles er hiking trails and things like that, so there's a lot of land here that we're talking about to cover...ya know nothin specifically jumps out at me and that but ya know there have been locations throughout...cuz right now you can only get so far up, um it wasn't until recently that I realized that they even had a gate up there, but at this point in the year there's still snow up there in the higher portion of this road, so they don't even have the gates open to be able to get up there. Now I do know in communicating with law enforcement that they've been up there and that's how I know this n that but ya know I don't know exactly where to look so I mean I get out and I can wander around and I can look and do whatever...but ya know the canine team...
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Here he is rambling on about the disposal site, assuring everyone he does not know exactly where to look and never even knew there was even a gate up there....

I have to wonder why he brings up the gates. He didn't know they were there until recently? So how did he find out? How does he know gateS plural? Weird.

Backpack, fishing pole, ipod, phone, chargers...all those things, seems like at least one of them could be found.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest they were disposed of in another area, and probably the pole is with the backpack. Just my guess though.

There is a campground at the end of Mark's road to the north. Do any of the campgrounds have pit toilets? That'd be a great place to dump the backpack.

If it rang for days, they would have pings on that phone...because it means the phone was turned on.

I read somewhere else, so take this as only my opinion (but I believe the source) that the last phone ping was the day before (last night anyone heard from him) Dylan went missing. If that is actually true, then Mark could not have called and had the phone go to voice mail, because it would have pinged on a day after Dylan went missing. Again MOO, don't ask for a link, don't state this as an absolute fact unless a link can be found.

Couple things... I always just randomly post...

If Dylan's phone was pinging for days, wouldn't LE have been looking in the area of those pings? I mean... they would have been trying to ping his phone wouldn't they?

I believe LE found something on the mountain that nobody has been told about.

I don't believe this has been ruled homicide simply because Dylan shouldn't have been on the mountain. I think it relates to my 2nd point.

See above for MOO about pings. I agree about LE having found things they have not told anyone about.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I forgot, one more thing. People mentioned that there were not very many houses up on Middle Mtn Road. True, but there are some, and there are trails-places where it would make sense to post fliers for people riding ATVs, who might find something of Dylan's.

To each, their own, but I'd have plastered every Recreation area with posters right off. Even if he HAD wandered off and gotten lost, hurt, whatever, who better to find evidence of a lost, hurt, whatever boy than people who hang around the recreation areas?

And if that is the road Mark and Brandon went up (I don't know for a fact that it is), Mark never mentioned snow, so maybe it hadn't snowed yet.

 

[diveguy]

""I want to talk to them about going to the location so I can be close to my son, but I don't know the specific locations where the remains were found," Mark Redwine said, after explaining that his home faces Middle Mountain."

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Note that once again, Mark makes it a specific point to assure everyone that he doesn't know where Dylan's body was.


source: http://www.thedenverchannel.com

 

[Salem]

BBM

LE's last press release.........
An updated timeline for Dylan’s activities on Sunday November 18th has been released:

5:46PM Dylan arrived at Durango-La Plata airport.
7:05 PM Dylan at Durango Walmart
7:22 PM Dylan at Durango McDonalds
9:37PM Dylan’s last electronic device communication (texting)

The last person identified as having seen Dylan is his father, Mark Redwine.
Mr Redwine told investigators he saw Dylan at his Vallecito home early Monday morning, November 19th.
...........................................................................................................

Officially, this is all we have, although it has been confirmed that DR's iPod was the last EDC.
I only put up the transcript from MR and Tricia because that is the only mention I have ever seen of the possibility for pinging beyond the 9:37 pm activity. Take it for what it's worth, and consider the source (MR).
Sorry, if I caused some confusion. Thanks

Where was it confirmed that the last text was from the iPod? I have not seen that from LE or in MSM. Do you have a link, please?

Thanks,

Salem

 

[Ghostwheel]

Has anyone considered that Dylan was killed elsewhere and the bones placed there later? Perhaps the remainder of the remains are somewhere completely different.

I have these random thoughts from time to time.

 

[cluciano63]

""I want to talk to them about going to the location so I can be close to my son, but I don't know the specific locations where the remains were found," Mark Redwine said, after explaining that his home faces Middle Mountain."

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Note that once again, Mark makes it a specific point to assure everyone that he doesn't know where Dylan's body was.


source: http://www.thedenverchannel.com

It stands out like a sore thumb. I mean, really, I can see, maybe, wanting to go to the mountaintop...but making a point of saying he wants to go the exact spot his child's bones were found? It sounds so contrived. Just an excuse to say he doesn't know the exact spot. Everything this man says= unusual.