Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found, #2

[Mitsana]

Does anyone else find it strange that NONE of Dylan's things were found at MR's house?

To me, the fact that Dylan's backpack is gone with (almost) all his stuff is indeed suspicious and leads to the conclusion that MR was involved. IMO.

If MR was not involved, why was the full backpack missing? It does not make sense to me that Dylan would take his full backpack with him to go fishing or hiking.

Some other people have speculated that Dylan might have taken his full backpack with him because he intended to walk to a friend's house and stay the rest of the week there to get away from the tense situation with his father (and Dylan had the incredibly bad luck of being abducted while en route). So, in this scenario, for some reason, Dylan has not contacted anyone late the previous night or that morning, even the person whose house he intends to shelter at. Dylan also, for some reason, makes the incongruous decision to take his fishing pole with him. It seems unlikely to me.

So given the missing pole and the lack of contact, I just don't think it's likely Dylan would take his full backpack out of the house. So, the other possibility to consider that doesn't involve MR is that an abductor (possibly that LE arrested for , possibly someone who had a grudge against MR, etc) for some reason came to the house and abducted Dylan, taking his full backpack along with him. Again, this doesn't seem likely, since the abductor would have to show up at just the right time, with MR gone and before Dylan had gotten around to texting anyone, and the abductor, who for reasons of his own, decided to take the backpack, also decided to take the fishing pole.

I mention a few times that it was almost all Dylan's stuff that was missing. The search warrant lists a pair of sweatpants that were almost certainly Dylan's. These may have been just hanging around from a previous visit (there is some speculation that they were too small, and maybe he had even grown out of them). Personally, I suspect they fit him and the sweatpants had just been packed on top of everything else in his pack. I suspect he removed them to get at his Ipod (or some other item).

Assuming this reasoning is correct, and the missing full backpack (along with the other incongruous circumstances) indicates MR involvement, why would MR bother to take the full backpack? Some have speculated that MR thought it would lead people to think Dylan had run away. I think this is a possibility, and he also took the fishing pole, thinking he was increasing his options, rather than creating a contradiction. Another possibility is that there may be physical evidence on or in the pack. Maybe the backpack shows some sign of the violence. Maybe something got smashed inside the pack and that would lead LE to know there had been violence in the house if it weren't removed. So, IMO, I think there are a few plausible reasons MR would have taken the pack away if he were responsible for Dylan's death, but I don't see any plausible reasons Dylan or a different abductor would take it away (given the other circs I outlined above).

 

[iSleuth]

To me, the fact that Dylan's backpack is gone with (almost) all his stuff is indeed suspicious and leads to the conclusion that MR was involved. IMO.

If MR was not involved, why was the full backpack missing? It does not make sense to me that Dylan would take his full backpack with him to go fishing or hiking.

Some other people have speculated that Dylan might have taken his full backpack with him because he intended to walk to a friend's house and stay the rest of the week there to get away from the tense situation with his father (and Dylan had the incredibly bad luck of being abducted while en route). So, in this scenario, for some reason, Dylan has not contacted anyone late the previous night or that morning, even the person whose house he intends to shelter at. Dylan also, for some reason, makes the incongruous decision to take his fishing pole with him. It seems unlikely to me.

So given the missing pole and the lack of contact, I just don't think it's likely Dylan would take his full backpack out of the house. So, the other possibility to consider that doesn't involve MR is that an abductor (possibly that LE arrested for , possibly someone who had a grudge against MR, etc) for some reason came to the house and abducted Dylan, taking his full backpack along with him. Again, this doesn't seem likely, since the abductor would have to show up at just the right time, with MR gone and before Dylan had gotten around to texting anyone, and the abductor, who for reasons of his own, decided to take the backpack, also decided to take the fishing pole.

I mention a few times that it was almost all Dylan's stuff that was missing. The search warrant lists a pair of sweatpants that were almost certainly Dylan's. These may have been just hanging around from a previous visit (there is some speculation that they were too small, and maybe he had even grown out of them). Personally, I suspect they fit him and the sweatpants had just been packed on top of everything else in his pack. I suspect he removed them to get at his Ipod (or some other item).

Assuming this reasoning is correct, and the missing full backpack (along with the other incongruous circumstances) indicates MR involvement, why would MR bother to take the full backpack? Some have speculated that MR thought it would lead people to think Dylan had run away. I think this is a possibility, and he also took the fishing pole, thinking he was increasing his options, rather than creating a contradiction. Another possibility is that there may be physical evidence on or in the pack. Maybe the backpack shows some sign of the violence. Maybe something got smashed inside the pack and that would lead LE to know there had been violence in the house if it weren't removed. So, IMO, I think there are a few plausible reasons MR would have taken the pack away if he were responsible for Dylan's death, but I don't see any plausible reasons Dylan or a different abductor would take it away (given the other circs I outlined above).

If my son were missing - the very first thing I would do is search for his things.

I think MR did too..the first thing-after- and maybe used that to drag a scent to the end of the drive way- reservoir /lake...as red herring or decoy.

must have been a really long night ya know. He probably really needed a lil nap the next day.

 

[Cherry]

Any word on supposed fishing pole? I'm waiting on an arrest myself.

 

[MissUnderstood]

To be honest, the thing I find the oddest about MR, among many things, is that he would be able to talk about his son in terms of percentage of bones found vs. those still scattered and ravaged by animals, within a day of learning his remains were found. That gave me chills. I still can't bring myself to acknowledge it.

The detail he goes into is quite odd!! Watching that vid with the "bone expert" a few pages back has a clip of him describing a part of a finger in coyote scat with nail still attached. Does that seem slightly detached and emotionless to anyone else??? Moo of course.

 

[finder108]

To me, the fact that Dylan's backpack is gone with (almost) all his stuff is indeed suspicious and leads to the conclusion that MR was involved. IMO.

If MR was not involved, why was the full backpack missing? It does not make sense to me that Dylan would take his full backpack with him to go fishing or hiking.

Some other people have speculated that Dylan might have taken his full backpack with him because he intended to walk to a friend's house and stay the rest of the week there to get away from the tense situation with his father (and Dylan had the incredibly bad luck of being abducted while en route). So, in this scenario, for some reason, Dylan has not contacted anyone late the previous night or that morning, even the person whose house he intends to shelter at. Dylan also, for some reason, makes the incongruous decision to take his fishing pole with him. It seems unlikely to me.

So given the missing pole and the lack of contact, I just don't think it's likely Dylan would take his full backpack out of the house. So, the other possibility to consider that doesn't involve MR is that an abductor (possibly that LE arrested for , possibly someone who had a grudge against MR, etc) for some reason came to the house and abducted Dylan, taking his full backpack along with him. Again, this doesn't seem likely, since the abductor would have to show up at just the right time, with MR gone and before Dylan had gotten around to texting anyone, and the abductor, who for reasons of his own, decided to take the backpack, also decided to take the fishing pole.

I mention a few times that it was almost all Dylan's stuff that was missing. The search warrant lists a pair of sweatpants that were almost certainly Dylan's. These may have been just hanging around from a previous visit (there is some speculation that they were too small, and maybe he had even grown out of them). Personally, I suspect they fit him and the sweatpants had just been packed on top of everything else in his pack. I suspect he removed them to get at his Ipod (or some other item).

Assuming this reasoning is correct, and the missing full backpack (along with the other incongruous circumstances) indicates MR involvement, why would MR bother to take the full backpack? Some have speculated that MR thought it would lead people to think Dylan had run away. I think this is a possibility, and he also took the fishing pole, thinking he was increasing his options, rather than creating a contradiction. Another possibility is that there may be physical evidence on or in the pack. Maybe the backpack shows some sign of the violence. Maybe something got smashed inside the pack and that would lead LE to know there had been violence in the house if it weren't removed. So, IMO, I think there are a few plausible reasons MR would have taken the pack away if he were responsible for Dylan's death, but I don't see any plausible reasons Dylan or a different abductor would take it away (given the other circs I outlined above).

I agree, the whole fishing pole story sounds "fishy" to me.

All good points ... it's a puzzle for sure.

 

[finder108]

The detail he goes into is quite odd!! Watching that vid with the "bone expert" a few pages back has a clip of him describing a part of a finger in coyote scat with nail still attached. Does that seem slightly detached and emotionless to anyone else??? Moo of course.

That statement has been haunting me ... so macabre, almost as if MR enjoys shocking people.

That and naming the bones found really has me wondering. MR is the only one who has listed them that I found so far. I thought I read somewhere that LE doesn't want MR and ER giving out information.

And I also wonder ... are statements like this true? For some reason, my intuition is telling me that they are.

 

[SCHMAE]

Did LE or did MR or did ER say that LE asked them to not talk about the findings?

I'm thinking things we do not hear from Bender himself may have zero credibility!

 

[*Lash*]

Elaine posted this on FMDR FB page for Dylan:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=oozQ4yV__Vw&desktop_uri=/watch?v=oozQ4yV__Vw


"Baby I'm not movin on I'll love you long after you're gone"
What a beautiful song. Made me cry!

I'm so sorry Elaine. I cannot imagine the pain you must have. I have thought about how I might feel if I was in your shoes, if this happened to a little one close to me. I don't think anyone could hold be back. I know you will stay strong for Dylan. ((hugs))

 

[catswhiskers]

Did LE or did MR or did ER say that LE asked them to not talk about the findings?

I'm thinking things we do not hear from Bender himself may have zero credibility!

I don't know that it matters really - MR may have been the first to discuss the topic on air, but both ER and CR did the same thing within the next day or two anyway IIRC.

 

[Crosby87]

As I was preparing for the holiday today doing my shopping, cooking, and what not, I remember how MR said that they went to walmart to pick up a few things to SUSTAIN THEM for a couple of days and that he was uncertain about Thanksgiving plans. If MR really believed that Dylan would be with his friends the first couple of days, why would he have to get snacks and stuff for Dylan if he was going to his friends house?
I believe MR had no intention of dropping Dylan off at his friends house. I haven't counted how many times MR has stated that Dylan's friends were important to him and to himself as well. The need to keep repeating it over and over is a big red flag.

Happy 4th of July everybody.

That's a good question and another red flag. MR said Dylan was adamant that he have them.

LE has a video from Walmart so it would be interesting to see who picked out the snacks and if Mark told Dylan to go get them.

I wish we knew more about the snacks: were some opened and eaten Sunday evening?

If they were opened, they would have Dylan's fingerprints all over them.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hope it works! It was an interesting show. I will look for a link. I think he did one on the same day CR spoke to the press, but not sure if was Friday.

Thank you, I was wrong. I recall an interview I must have confused where I heard it. Sorry about that folks.

 

[Mitsana]

I don't know that it matters really - MR may have been the first to discuss the topic on air, but both ER and CR did the same thing within the next day or two anyway IIRC.

My understanding of the timeline is the following.

LE briefed ER on Tuesday and MR on Thursday. I originally thought both were briefed on Thursday (which was reported by an MSM article), but other posters pointed out that the article was wrong; she was actually told Tuesday and MR wasn't told until Thursday since he was out of town. (As an aside, I do not agree with the posters who find it suspicious he is out of town during different events. He's a trucker. He has to be out of town in order to work.)

I have seen references, but cannot find one handy now, that MR and ER were asked by LE to not divulge the details of their discussion with LE.

MR gave a phone interview "shortly after" he was told about his sons remains. In that interview, he described the bones that were found.

ER was not giving interviews that day. Her family released a written statement on Friday, expressing sadness, thanking LE and volunteers, and turning to the hope for justice. I believe she gave an interview on Saturday (based on my very imperfect memory). I believe that interview is the one in which she said that the person who would do that (allow animals to scatter Dylan's bones) was a monster (paraphrasing).

So, my point in all this is that I do think it matters. MR divulged info to the public that he should not have (assuming I am right about LE asking them not to share the details). ER did not do that, even if she subsequently made references to bones.

Additionally, there is a significant difference in the nature and timing of the reaction of the parents. That is what some people are speculating about, and I think it is reasonable to speculate about that.

 

[Linda7NJ]

As I was preparing for the holiday today doing my shopping, cooking, and what not, I remember how MR said that they went to walmart to pick up a few things to SUSTAIN THEM for a couple of days and that he was uncertain about Thanksgiving plans. If MR really believed that Dylan would be with his friends the first couple of days, why would he have to get snacks and stuff for Dylan if he was going to his friends house?

I believe MR had no intention of dropping Dylan off at his friends house. I haven't counted how many times MR has stated that Dylan's friends were important to him and to himself as well. The need to keep repeating it over and over is a big red flag.

Happy 4th of July everybody.

It's as if he's jealous and wants to say "his friends were MORE important to him"

That's what my gut hears.

All IMO

 

[*Lash*]

Mark said he argued and argued with LE that Dylan was still texting after the 8:01pm cellphone text. First, Mark did not know what Dylan was doing on his iPod or cellphone. Dylan could have been playing a game. Secondly, Mark is the only person to tell us the last communication at 9:37pm came from the iPod touch. Elaine nor LE have confirmed this. What if the last communication was NOT from either? What if the last communication (texting) came from a laptop? It would have a completely different device ID than the cell and iPod. Someone may be caught in a lie.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Also I thought there were red flags when MR said that he tried to call.txt Dylan on Nov 19th on the way back from Durango to ask him what food he should get for T-giving. hmmmm why would he ask that? Thanksgiving menu is pretty fixed isn't it? Doesn't everyone know what their family likes to eat on thanksgiving?

What happened to the "up in the air plans" as to where they were going to spend Thanksgiving? I'd assume he was waiting to discuss with Dylan and get his input since he hadn't made the plans in advance.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The detail he goes into is quite odd!! Watching that vid with the "bone expert" a few pages back has a clip of him describing a part of a finger in coyote scat with nail still attached. Does that seem slightly detached and emotionless to anyone else??? Moo of course.

Does anyone really believe LE told his mother the same thing?

IMO they told him that to gauge his reaction and hoped he'd be overcome by guilt and remorse.

 

[*Lash*]

My understanding of the timeline is the following.

LE briefed ER on Tuesday and MR on Thursday. I originally thought both were briefed on Thursday (which was reported by an MSM article), but other posters pointed out that the article was wrong; she was actually told Tuesday and MR wasn't told until Thursday since he was out of town. (As an aside, I do not agree with the posters who find it suspicious he is out of town during different events. He's a trucker. He has to be out of town in order to work.)

I have seen references, but cannot find one handy now, that MR and ER were asked by LE to not divulge the details of their discussion with LE.

MR gave a phone interview "shortly after" he was told about his sons remains. In that interview, he described the bones that were found.

ER was not giving interviews that day. Her family released a written statement on Friday, expressing sadness, thanking LE and volunteers, and turning to the hope for justice. I believe she gave an interview on Saturday (based on my very imperfect memory). I believe that interview is the one in which she said that the person who would do that (allow animals to scatter Dylan's bones) was a monster (paraphrasing).

So, my point in all this is that I do think it matters. MR divulged info to the public that he should not have (assuming I am right about LE asking them not to share the details). ER did not do that, even if she subsequently made references to bones.

Additionally, there is a significant difference in the nature and timing of the reaction of the parents. That is what some people are speculating about, and I think it is reasonable to speculate about that.

BBM - I agree with most of what you have said. I'm just not sure we have confirmed Mark is a trucker. IIRC, the job he had before Dylan disappeared required him to travel to job sites, not a long or short haul trucker. He worked at different locations from my understanding. Now whether or not Mark has a new job as a trucker in my opinion has not been confirmed. It was stated by Teresa or Raine on Thursday's show that Mark had orientation last week and he traveled to Denver then Indiana. We also know Mark has a sister in Indiana. At this time I need more info before I am convinced Mark is indeed working again.

eta - The reason I am interested in his employment is because his leaving town tends to correlate with Middle Mountain Rd searches.

 

[catswhiskers]

My understanding of the timeline is the following.

LE briefed ER on Tuesday and MR on Thursday. I originally thought both were briefed on Thursday (which was reported by an MSM article), but other posters pointed out that the article was wrong; she was actually told Tuesday and MR wasn't told until Thursday since he was out of town. (As an aside, I do not agree with the posters who find it suspicious he is out of town during different events. He's a trucker. He has to be out of town in order to work.)

I have seen references, but cannot find one handy now, that MR and ER were asked by LE to not divulge the details of their discussion with LE.

MR gave a phone interview "shortly after" he was told about his sons remains. In that interview, he described the bones that were found.

ER was not giving interviews that day. Her family released a written statement on Friday, expressing sadness, thanking LE and volunteers, and turning to the hope for justice. I believe she gave an interview on Saturday (based on my very imperfect memory). I believe that interview is the one in which she said that the person who would do that (allow animals to scatter Dylan's bones) was a monster (paraphrasing).

So, my point in all this is that I do think it matters. MR divulged info to the public that he should not have (assuming I am right about LE asking them not to share the details). ER did not do that, even if she subsequently made references to bones.

Additionally, there is a significant difference in the nature and timing of the reaction of the parents. That is what some people are speculating about, and I think it is reasonable to speculate about that.

I'm not sure where the information about Dylan's parents being asked not to divulge any information came from then - if you could link me up that would be great, as it hardly seems like something LE would have stated in their press conference or any subsequent interviews with journalists. Maybe this is one of those rumors that has grown legs - that Dylan's parents were asked to keep the terrible news under their hats for one or two days, but MR jumped the gun? If that isn't the case, does it matter that he revealed that info before Elaine or Cory decided to speak to the media about the same subject matter? It's not like he is some bystander or non-related person (and let's face it there are thousands of them speaking pretty frankly about poor Dylan and his family right now) who has inserted himself into the investigation and has no business speaking about his own son. IMO, as Dylan's parents both Elaine and Mark were perfectly entitled to speak to the media at a time of their own choosing, which they both did - as someone who sees both parents as victims at this point, it doesn't matter IMO which spoke about the tragic news about Dylan first or in how much detail.

I haven't seen any MSM or LE releases stating that ER was informed a couple of days before MR. I do recall MSM reports that both parents had been asked to meet at the sheriff's office for some sort of briefing, and that we were all on tenterhooks waiting for news.

 

[Angelonline]

I haven't seen any MSM or LE releases stating that ER was informed a couple of days before MR. I do recall MSM reports that both parents had been asked to meet at the sheriff's office for some sort of briefing, and that we were all on tenterhooks waiting for news.

Snipped for space and BBM
http://www.9news.com/news/article/342416/71/Remains-of-missing-Dylan-Redwine-found

The remains of Dylan Redwine were found about 10 miles away from his father's house. *

Dylan Redwine's father, Mark Redwine, arrived at the*La Plata County Sheriff's Office Thursday morning to be briefed about the discoveries.*

Redwine's mother, Elaine Redwine, had been briefed earlier this week

 

[Angelonline]

I'm not sure where the information about Dylan's parents being asked not to divulge any information came from then - if you could link me up that would be great.

Snipped for space and BBM.
This came from reporter Kevin Torres twitter. He has been covering this case since Dec and spoke with Bender on the day the remains were discovered.
"Family instructed not to talk to media"
https://twitter.com/kevinltorres