Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[Lordeebee]

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Last BBM- Couple of things come to mind.

To be able to come back voluntarily? Thus creating the argument 'If he did it why would he come back knowing that he might be arrested? He must not be gulity.'

To cause further pain for Elaine?

Just thinking out loud, moo.

Isn't it also a common phenomena that perps have a hard time NOT revisiting the scene of the crime, and very often do?

 

[cluciano63]

My preferences far as a perp is that Dylan was killed by someone unknown to him, hopefully very quickly, and that the perp was devoured by mountain lions while disposing of Dylan, making it impossible for him to escape justice or hurt anyone else.

I doubt that anyone really wants to think he could have been killed by his own father, as much as we know that it happens. I am still willing to believe that MR has many issues, including some that are probably best left to mental health experts to diagnose, if only there was proof that Dylan was alive as of Monday morning. But with the MR as the only witness, and Dylan's lack of communication, I am finding it impossible to get past my feelings that he was killed on Sunday night.

 

[cluciano63]

Gitana, the friend he planned to visit lived much more than six miles away, closer to twenty. It was another friend, one we do not even know if Dylan contacted, who lives about six miles away and where MR said he looked for him.

 

[Angelonline]

Gitana, the friend he planned to visit lived much more than six miles away, closer to twenty. It was another friend, one we do not even know if Dylan contacted, who lives about six miles away and where MR said he looked for him.

That is correct RN that Dylan was making plans with via text on Sunday night lived in Bayfield some 20 miles away. However MR said that he initially went to another friends house T?(last initial?) to see if Dylan was there on Monday afternoon. T lived approx 6 miles from MR's house.

 

[katydid23]

About the 'coat' thing. It is semantics, primarily. Dylan packed a big hoodie sweatshirt, and not a proper coat. That is what Mark was referring to about Elaine not sending him with a coat. So she did send him with a warm outer layer of clothing, but it was not a coat, as Mark pointed out.

 

[Steely Dan]

BBM - In my opinion, Elaine hasn't poisoned Cory's mind. Cory has made up his own mind. Likely when he caught his father having intercourse outside under a window with another woman while still married to Elaine. This ended in an altercation between Cory and Mark. IIRC Mark filed charges against Cory.

I hadn't heard that.

Ok, part 2 thoughts.

Mark says he was asked and the mother was asked not to raise money for Dylan. I find that extremely hard to believe.

Mark's ex girlfriend Karen reached out to Dr. Phil's producer and she says he had a great relationship with Dylan. She also says the mother and son are being unfair to Mark.

Dr. Phil tells Karen she doesn't have the right to say "How dare you." to the mother and make that kind of judgment against her. I totally disagree with that. I have an ex girlfriend who parted with me in less than civil ways. However, she was a GREAT mother to her daughter. If someone accused her of killing her daughter I'd step up for her and probably say something similar to anyone accusing her. Despite her being a biotch to me.

Mark's ex-wife Betsy believes he could have done it. I don't understand why Dr. Phil will allow her to speak to Mark disrespectfully, but defends the mother against the ex-girlfriend.

One of Mark's sons from that marriage believes he could be hiding Dylan. In fact Mark has a history of keeping his children away from the other parent. Nobody has ever said he harmed his kids. We now know Dylan isn't alive. That doesn't fit Mark's MO.

I also don't like how Dr. Phil is being so judgmental about Mark's way of dealing with this. Nobody will react the same way.

Mark agrees to take a polygraph test, but the examiner won't polygraph him because while hooked up he answers the polygrapher's question about feeling ready to take the test "No". Mark says he had three hours of sleep and a half bottle of gin. The polygrapher says that he'd ask Mark a question and he'd answer about something else. Mark agrees to take the test the next day, but still doesn't feel ready.

The polygrapher also tells Dr. Phil that he's never had a mother or father refuse to take a polygraph test.

The polygraph thing bothers me.

Dr. Phil gets mad because Mark says that Dr. Phil didn't do enough to find his child. I agree with Mark. It seems like the whole show was an ambush on him. JMO

So after watching part 1 and 2 of Dr. Phil I'd say that both parents are telling lies and it's possible that Mark refused the polygraph test because he'd been ambushed the day before. However, I wouldn't refuse if it was my kid missing. Polygraphers will ask a series of basic questions like your name, address and other things they already know. This establishes a baseline. So if Mark was feeling funky it would show up on the baseline and the polygrapher could then judge the other answers against that. Mark may not know or trust that. He'd been lied to by the police about his prior polygraph.

I'm a little more suspicious of Mark now, but I'm not ready to accuse him.

 

[SuziQ]

If this bothers people I really don't care. I have a sense that the father may be telling the truth here. There isn't any solid evidence to the contrary. AFAIK, his story has been the same all along. I think people should back off on the dad until he's formally charged.

Look at Jacy Dugard. Everybody believed it was the stepfather who took her, and then it turned out that it wasn't him. It could have been a family friend or something else. If I'm wrong I'll admit it when the time comes, but I'm not gonna jump to conclusions here. JMO

Per TOS, we can discuss what's been reported in MSM. And if we couldn't discuss anyone before formal charges are brought, well then there wouldn't be much point to WS. It's a fine line when it's reported by MSM that his own family suspects him of harming Dylan. LE also has not cleared anyone.

The alert button works great for reporting posts not within TOS.

 

[cluciano63]

That is correct RN that Dylan was making plans with via text on Sunday night lived in Bayfield some 20 miles away. However MR said that he initially went to another friends house T?(last initial?) to see if Dylan was there on Monday afternoon. T lived approx 6 miles from MR's house.

That is what I said; that Mark said he went to T's looking for him. But we have no indication at this point if Dylan had even been in touch with T since getting to town. He obviously meant to see R, who lived much farther away.

 

[gitana1]

They also have said from the start that this could be a kidnapping. I don't think they have ever taken that off the table. Imo, they have a valid reason with never removing that theory all these 7 months.

And tragically we do know children can be kidnapped in the blink of an eye and are murdered by their kidnapper.

True, but then, in answer to the question, "Is there a need for a concern [in La Plata county] that there is somebody out there who could possibly do this again?" The sheriff stated, "We have said early on that we had no found any indication that this was something that our public needed to be concerned about other than the normal day to day vigilance that parents and anyone that are guardians of children need to maintain in today's society." About minute 3:00, here: http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2513818990001

That's kind of a clear message to me.

Also, I think it is vital to look at how they found Dylan. This was not a new search. It was a follow up to be conducted after the snows. I know every seasoned sleuther knows how hard it is to pinpoint a dump site in a city, let alone a rural setting. Dylan went missing in an area surrounded by vast wilderness. Why there?

I think it's based on either a sighting that hasn't been publicized or more likely, cell phone pings. But whose? Dad's or Dylan's?

 

[Allusonz]

Actually, it was the reverse. First she said he didn't like to go because it was isolated. Then she added that he didn't want to be with his dad.

There is a ton of evidence that Dylan indeed, did not want to go with his dad. So while she omitted that fact in her initial statement, it is not inconsistent with the truth. I think she may have initial tried to be diplomatic. It's at minute 10:30 I believe. I would urge you to watch the whole thing first.

As to Dylan's fondness for the river being inconsistent with her statement that he wasn't into fishing, I don't see that. Many rivers have a ton of water sports including just swimming that don't involve fishing. Tubing and rafting and just hanging out are popular.

BBM

The part missed is Elaine as well stated he was excited to go as he would be able to visit his friends.

 

[Allusonz]

Mark's stories have not really been consistent. He had several versions as to how he tried to wake Dylan, from him being dead to the world to Dylan waking and speaking to him. He also indicated initially that he and Dylan were great together, tossing the football, choosing movies etc. and more recently came out with statements indicating the night was rather tension-filled, IMO. I do not have links handy but I am sure the transcripts from the radio shows are posted, as well as early interviews for comparison.

Lets see.

I have 4 versions regarding the polygraph from the NG show that Elaine stated.

4 completely different ones.

I have the various versions of how Dylan came to speak to the judge.

Should I continue?

 

[Allusonz]

Stepfather was not a suspect, at least officially. Although I imagine he felt like one.

"A few of Jaycee's classmates saw the incident too. Their statements eventually helped investigators confirm that Carl Probyn was not a suspect in the case. But the ordeal shattered the Probyns' marriage nonetheless."
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/jaycee_dugard/4.html

Yes he was. Jaycee's mother stated he was in the Diane Sawyer interview.

 

[Allusonz]

That is probably the point Cory was trying to make. While Cory probably has no recent knowledge of where the pole was stored, the whole fishing pole + backpack + shorts + November - tackle - coat thing never added up for me.

I truly don't understand why the backpack is missing. Assuming MR is not the culprit, why would Dylan take *all* his stuff. If MR is the culprit, why wouldn't he just bring the pack inside? I'd love to hear from anyone with a great explanation for this.

Could someone explain to me how Cory would know where the fishing pole was in the first place if he had not in fact been to his father's house in 1 year?

 

[katydid23]

Lets see.

I have 4 versions regarding the polygraph from the NG show that Elaine stated.

4 completely different ones.

I have the various versions of how Dylan came to speak to the judge.

Should I continue?

Elaine was not the last person to see Dylan before he went missing. Mark was. So that means that his words are going to be more scrutinized than hers.

 

[Allusonz]

Pretty much every case of a missing child that involves a dad has the dad as a suspect at some point. That factor does not make the cases similarly distinct.

But you said this case reminds you of Amber's case because it similarly involves a father as a suspect when a stranger was to blame. I'm quite certain that LE has not indicated a stranger was involved in this case. In fact, the most that can be gleaned by LE's statements that remotely points away from the family would tend to suggest a runaway scenario involving an accident of some sort.

This is a false statement.

 

[ColdHands]

Reporter KT:
@kevinltorres: Just finished interviewing Dylan Redwine's mom. Very touching, personal interview. Tonight on #9news at 9/10.

Also KT did an Inside Story this morning where he talked about how much this case has touched him, and how he's gotten to know the family and locals, but I can't find that video.

 

[Tonto]

If my kid disappeared soon after arriving at the home of my ex, with whom I had battled custody for years, who had abducted my kids and his other kids in the past, who had a history of domestic violence and a temper, I would be all over him as well.

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Only one parent has actually filed a criminal report before regarding domestic violence stemming from someone's disturbing temper. Guess who that was?

The only evidence that mom had a drinking problem is from dad. The evidence she didn't is that she was awarded custody and dad was awarded very limited rights to see his kids. The drinking issue was litigated for certain.

So you're accepting hearsay evidence from one and not the other? You know very well that 'he said-she said' divorce hearings rarely have much truth to them on either side.

Dad says he was told by LE that he failed his lie detector test "miserably."

Indeed. He was probably told lots of things by LE, considering they are under no constitutional obligation to be truthful with him during an interrogation or otherwise.

This is in very stark contrast with dad's behavior, a man who had to pledge to be more involved in the investigation and search only after mediators got involved.

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For example, he accuses of her alcohol abuse. Yet the fact that custody of the kids was granted to her refutes that.

No it doesn't. Again, divorce proceedings are rarely about truth and rarely hinge on one factor.

 

[Allusonz]

Elaine had to have clothes brought from her house for the dogs to have Dylan's scent........not even a sock was left behind (at Mark's)

I believe the blanket that Mark said was used by Dylan had to many other scents (not a good scent item for the dogs)....

I don't have a link handy....so jmo/moo

Can you provide me with a link where LE has stated that they needed Elaine to bring scent articles for the searches on Monday and Tuesday?

What did the canines use?

Elaine stated that they returned on the weekend to get scent articles. If there was nothing left "not even a sock", what did those wonderful canines use on Monday and Tuesday that tracked Dylan's scent?

So far no one has been able to answer this fundamental question for me.

Why?

 

[Lordeebee]

Lets see.

I have 4 versions regarding the polygraph from the NG show that Elaine stated.

4 completely different ones.

I have the various versions of how Dylan came to speak to the judge.

Should I continue?

Please. I would like to see all these different versions.

 

[Eileen730]

Could someone explain to me how Cory would know where the fishing pole was in the first place if he had not in fact been to his father's house in 1 year?

Probably because when they would visit there they were told by mark that all fishing and outside gear needs to go out in the garage or the shed. It does not belong in the house!

Why have a fishing pole in you living room?