Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[cluciano63]

First time posting here, so please bear with me. What's been eating at me is has law enforcement ever publically looked at anyone BESIDES Mark Redwine? (and I know he has never been publically identified as a POI or suspect) The search warrant was pretty public so I ASSUME if they looked at anyone else someone would have known. As of now they claim they wanted to search this area early on so who else could they have suspected back then other than Mark

I don't think we would know. In any event, they probably could not get search warrants without cause, other than for the last place Dylan was know to be, so if they did not conduct any other home searches, I would say they did not run into any solid suspects. But I would imagine they checked alibis and other info on various people, like they did with RSO's. Cops in small towns know who their oddballs are, IMO. But as far as searches, they would need cause.

 

[cluciano63]

LE said, some months back, that they had a lot of little pieces of evidence (paraphrasing) and needed one more piece or a few more pieces, to bring it all together. If indeed MR is the only person who was investigated at more than a ruling out level, than logic, IMO, would say that what they had up to the point probably concerned him. They may have found things at the home or in the car that were not enough on their own. They may even had had a hit by a dog. With this LE, we wouldn't necessarily know. JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

http://kdvr.com/2013/06/27/authorities-plan-announcement-regarding-redwine-disappearance/

...Investigators have never named Mark or Elaine as suspects in Dylan’s disappearance. However, the TV appearance did reveal that Dylan likely led a turbulent home life before he went missing.

Mark Redwine has asserted that he believes Dylan was abducted when he was walking to a friend’s house six miles away from his property near Vallecito Lake....

I know this wasn't for me, but to me, "Investigators have never named Mark or Elaine as suspects in Dylan’s disappearance" is not the same as "the police say he doesn't have anything to with it". In the former, LE hasn't named anyone. It does not mean they don't suspect anyone, it only means they haven't identified that person AS a suspect. In the latter, LE out and out says he doesn't have anything to do with it.

That is why I happen to see those two sentences differently. Your mileage may vary. Thanks for the link.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Welcome to Websleuths, HurleysRUs!

Your first post came out fine..glad you decided to join us..

Re: LE's looking into other people besides Mark Redwine.. The details released publicly were all thanks to Mark Redwine in his requesting that particular info(the very brief, early on Search Warrants of his house/truck) be publicly released.. so, IMO with that being why we had access to those specific Search Warrants with any/all other possible Search Warrants regarding this case we just do not have access to..therefor we have no way of knowing what other possible major info and evidence this LE have found, seized, or collected wrt Dylan's "disappearance" now known to be death..

So, IMO we just don't have any way of knowing about what other possible evidence(including other possible evidence related to Mark Redwine) and/or people have been investigated and/or seized/collected related to the case..except for what has been stated publicly such as the local RSOs being investigated or looked into..

IMO clearly if there are Search Warrants that have info/details that shed a bad light on Mark Redwine..well, IMO naturally he's not going to go requesting that those Search Warrants be released to the public..kwim?.. So, due to it being through only Mark's personally requesting that the public have access to those very brief, early on Search Warrants.. I just don't at all take that as a fact that other Search Warrants do not exist wrt Mark..but, jmo..

Again Welcome to WS, HurleysRUs!

 

[Ghostwheel]

I dont think he hates her but rather obsessed with her.
its imo plus lived thru as a victim, a very bizarro state of mind of the perpetrator. The deliberate victim is just that and anybody/anything
In the way is just collateral damage
jmexperiencedo

Kind of like Munchhausen syndrome by proxy, only worse? Thinking he could "bond" with Elaine over Dylan being missing, maybe? They would have to "work together".....It's a thought.

 

[katydid23]

http://kdvr.com/2013/06/27/authorities-plan-announcement-regarding-redwine-disappearance/

...Investigators have never named Mark or Elaine as suspects in Dylan’s disappearance. However, the TV appearance did reveal that Dylan likely led a turbulent home life before he went missing.

Mark Redwine has asserted that he believes Dylan was abducted when he was walking to a friend’s house six miles away from his property near Vallecito Lake....

Steely,
<modsnip> JMO

We have nothing that indicates he went walking to his friends house that morning. All indications were that he lost contact and communication w/others on Sunday @ 9:37 pm. He did not answer his friends texts the next morning, and made no calls or texts to anyone, even those he was eager to meet up with.

He had no reason to walk 6 miles to that friends house. he didnt even know if that friend was in town or home at the time because he had not called or texted him. Why walk 6 miles in the cold w/out even checking to see if anyone will be there?

 

[katydid23]

First time posting here, so please bear with me. What's been eating at me is has law enforcement ever publically looked at anyone BESIDES Mark Redwine? (and I know he has never been publically identified as a POI or suspect) The search warrant was pretty public so I ASSUME if they looked at anyone else someone would have known. As of now they claim they wanted to search this area early on so who else could they have suspected back then other than Mark

Hey Hurley,

Great first post. :welcome: to WS. :fireworks:

 

[katydid23]

SmoothOperater, thanks for that post!

I believe Mark has a highly narcissistic personality. Ie, nothing's ever his fault, he'll deflect where he possibly can, everything revolves around him and his issues, etc..

Now, in my experience - both research and actual experience - narcissists will paint a rosy, shiny picture of something -even when it's known that the picture isn't so rosy - in the attempt to keep their ballooning egos intact. In fact, the worse things are for the narcissist's image, lthe shinier the descriptions...

When I heard Mark talking a long time ago about his relationship with his sons, I heard 'ding ding ding' and the red flags went up -- it sounded soooo idyllic.. especially his shining relationship with Dylan, and the epic father-son road trips, etc.

Now we know it was not idyllic. But just listen to those accounts.. then listen to Cory.. to Elaine.. regarding how Dylan really was, and the reality of living with Mark. The reality is that Dylan wasn't thrilled to be there with his dad..

I think Mark - as a narcissist, and given all we know about the relationships between he and Elaine and his previous wife too- could well and truly have been in a dangerous frame of mind at the time Dylan went missing.

He -still- can't let go of the need to dig and poke at Elaine.. even now.

GREAT POST. I totally agree with your assessment. :goodpost:

 

[katydid23]

Could someone briefly summarize for a newbie what MR's motive is assumed to be? Hurting the mother?

In some of the earlier threads there were links to recent research into the MOTIVES of fathers killing their children. One of the main ones, besides for financial gain from life insurance, is for REVENGE against the ex-wife. And one of the strongest triggers is when a divorce is about to be finalized OR the ex is about to be remarried. Elaine recently announced her engagement and is living with her fiance in their beautiful new home. I believe that really angered Mark.

I don't think he wanted Elaine to 'win' and have her wonderful new life in Monument. JMO


ETA:

Obsessive love lost: why some fathers kill

Adele Horin
Several recent cases have thrown the spotlight on estranged partners who resort to drastic acts of revenge, writes Adele Horin.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/obse...athers-kill-20110517-1eri9.html#ixzz2Xa4p74ey

 

[nikb]

Linnea Lomax's mother was part of the search party that found her daughter's body months after she went missing in Sacremento last summer.

Not only that, she was the one who found her IIRC. I can't imagine.

 

[Tink56]

In some of the earlier threads there were links to recent research into the MOTIVES of fathers killing their children. One of the main ones, besides for financial gain from life insurance, is for REVENGE against the ex-wife. And one of the strongest triggers is when a divorce is about to be finalized OR the ex is about to be remarried. Elaine recently announced her engagement and is living with her fiance in their beautiful new home. I believe that really angered Mark.

I don't think he wanted Elaine to 'win' and have her wonderful new life in Monument. JMO


ETA:

Obsessive love lost: why some fathers kill

Adele Horin
Several recent cases have thrown the spotlight on estranged partners who resort to drastic acts of revenge, writes Adele Horin.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/obse...athers-kill-20110517-1eri9.html#ixzz2Xa4p74ey

The other "thing" that must be addressed--in MOO, IMO--is Mark's alcohol/substance abuse. He is a heavy drinker, IMO. I certainly don't know how much or how often he drinks to excess, but this factor certainly contributes to his perception of the world (Alcoholics tend to have limited "world perspective.") His anger would be heightened and his inhibitions lowered if he were drinking while "he was doing a few things around the house" that Sunday evening. If DR said the wrong thing...if he showed disrespect...that anger at ER...the delay in the flight...the need to attend to financial matters (i.e. the rent check is in the mail, the alimony check is being sent, the expense of the flight and entertainment for a son who may not have been acting grateful)....all of these things could easily have set him off, and he struck out at the nearest target.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Listening to MR on Tricia's show earlier this month. MR is not a happy person. He doesn't appear to understand anyone but himself. It also appears he doesn't like anything. People irratate him due to not being able to control events, people, or whatever else. His BP is running high. I saw that in videos from the DRP's show. hmmm Hot head is what I always expected without digging deep while following other cases. His last night with Dylan is disturbing. Thanks Smooth for the reminder.

He may have made his life focus on EH, but he just doesn't like anything or respect it or any person. He has no concern for anyone but himself. We knew someone exactly like him sadly... jmo

 

[Tennlyn]

I know this wasn't for me, but to me, "Investigators have never named Mark or Elaine as suspects in Dylan&#8217;s disappearance" is not the same as "the police say he doesn't have anything to with it". In the former, LE hasn't named anyone. It does not mean they don't suspect anyone, it only means they haven't identified that person AS a suspect. In the latter, LE out and out says he doesn't have anything to do with it.

That is why I happen to see those two sentences differently. Your mileage may vary. Thanks for the link.

I agree with you. I also think the language in this article is telling. :moo:

Bender said officials have not identified anyone as a suspect. When asked if family members had been ruled out, Bender reiterated, "We have not labeled anyone as a suspect."​

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...eputies-confirm-they-are-looking-for-a-killer​

ETA: Labeled is such an interesting choice of words for Bender, and from what I've seen, he chooses his words carefully. IMO

 

[Ausgirl]

In some of the earlier threads there were links to recent research into the MOTIVES of fathers killing their children. One of the main ones, besides for financial gain from life insurance, is for REVENGE against the ex-wife. And one of the strongest triggers is when a divorce is about to be finalized OR the ex is about to be remarried. Elaine recently announced her engagement and is living with her fiance in their beautiful new home. I believe that really angered Mark.

I don't think he wanted Elaine to 'win' and have her wonderful new life in Monument. JMO


ETA:

Obsessive love lost: why some fathers kill


Adele Horin
Several recent cases have thrown the spotlight on estranged partners who resort to drastic acts of revenge, writes Adele Horin.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/obse...athers-kill-20110517-1eri9.html#ixzz2Xa4p74ey

Thanks, Katydid, for the links.

This is what I was thinking, as an add-on to my post above re narcissism - MR's idyllic scenarios seemed entirely focussed on Dylan as a much younger child and how Dylan and he got along back then.

I truly think a highly narcissistic personality would have had a very hard time adjusting to the idea that his sons were no longer holding the same small-child views of thier father, ie, didn't think he was 'fun', didn't look up to him unconditionally, not so thrilled to spend time with him and doing things HE liked to do anymore. And none of that would be HIS fault, ofc. :shakehead:

Coupled with Elaine slipping further and further from his sphere of control via her new husband .. the kids less able to be used as leverage now they were growing up, though they were also central to his distress at 'losing' the war so to speak.

I think "if I can't have you (in an idyllically happy scenario) then no-one can" might apply here, too.

IF Mark is guilty, that is. JMO, IMO, MOO, disclaimer, disclaimer.

 

[HurleysRUs]

A question for those of you in the know... where Dylan was found would run off, ie rain, snow, flow down that side and eventually into the lake or vice versa? Could this be the reason dogs "got a strong hit"?

 

[Dr. Know?]

A question for those of you in the know... where Dylan was found would run off, ie rain, snow, flow down that side and eventually into the lake or vice versa? Could this be the reason dogs "got a strong hit"?

Today, I watched this video and it shows a concrete culvert drainage ditch. A helicopter focused in on it. Not sure if it's where they found evidence but appears to be.

About 30 seconds in you can see a large culvert/drainage ditch that appears to be picked clean. It's bothered me all day. hth

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/06/28/dylan-redwines-father-i-want-to-know-what-happened-to-my-son/

 

[asyousay]

Today, I watched this video and it shows a concrete culvert drainage ditch. A helicopter focused in on it. Not sure if it's where they found evidence but appears to be.

About 30 seconds in you can see a large culvert/drainage ditch that appears to be picked clean. It's bothered me all day. hth

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/06/28/dylan-redwines-father-i-want-to-know-what-happened-to-my-son/

I just want to jump off this post for one second

Mark is claiming now " Elaine muttered murderer at him" . Was it not that she shouted it at him on the radio show ??

 

[Angelonline]

Locking up for the night in 5 minutes.

 

[Salem]

Opening up for the day.

Again, please everyone, be respectful of each other and try to remember that we do not have an official suspect yet. LE has said there is no reason to suspect either parent at this time.

I know many are frustrated, but it sounds like LE has some clues now, so hopefully it won't be long before they identify a suspect and make an arrest.

Salem

 

[asyousay]

Opening up for the day.

Again, please everyone, be respectful of each other and try to remember that we do not have an official suspect yet. LE has said there is no reason to suspect either parent at this time.

I know many are frustrated, but it sounds like LE has some clues now, so hopefully it won't be long before they identify a suspect and make an arrest.

Salem

But they say one thing but then say something like this

Dylan had a very set routine. He was a very communicative fellow on the Internet and Twitter with his friends. And he had very specific definite plans with his friends and he never showed up for that...it's totally unlike Dylan.

Which to me say they are also very weary of the fact Dylan never contacted anybody on Monday morning. IMO

Mark on the radio show has also said himself

Dylan went missing from my house, and you know whether that is coined, you know, being on my watch or however we want to look at that, you know, obviously that puts me at the top of the list, specifically as it relates to law enforcement,