Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[Confusion]

Was the search that Ransom (and MR) helped with near Middle Mountain Road? I know they said they found several things, I believe it was 10, that were sent for analysis. I'll have to look for a link if one is needed, but I remember MR saying that they found what they thought was one of DR's socks. That's why it's always bothered me when ER/EH says that not even a sock was found. If it was near there, that could be why they wanted to focus in that area. They had said that none of the items found were useful later, but it wouldn't be the first white lie someone in LE told for the sake of a case. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

The time lapse before a child goes missing is normally about 2+ hours and it is not the responsibility of the father of the missing child to initiate a missing child investigation..
Most State Law Enforcement Agencies have a CARD Team & other resources available immediately upon request.

and/or Federal Resources upon request..
Criminal Pursuit: The FBI Child Abduction Team
http://investigation.discovery.com/...inal-pursuit-the-fbi-child-abduction-team.htm

He did not inform LE until many hours had passed. He took a nap for a while first.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

The time lapse before a child goes missing is normally about 2+ hours and it is not the responsibility of the father of the missing child to initiate a missing child investigation..
Most State Law Enforcement Agencies have a CARD Team & other resources available immediately upon request.

and/or Federal Resources upon request..
Criminal Pursuit: The FBI Child Abduction Team
http://investigation.discovery.com/...inal-pursuit-the-fbi-child-abduction-team.htm

its the responsibility of the parent to report their child missing isn't it?

he sent a text to his ex wife that he couldn't find Dylan and he was supposedly 'at the marshalls office taking care of it'

many months went by before LE stated that EH was the parent who reported Dylan missing.

 

[margarita25]

O/T... That is what lifetime stalking orders are for. AND how i met my now-hubby the cop!

Wow! Awesome!

 

[katydid23]

HurleysRUS, perceived hypothesis, is one of the primary reasons that missing persons' investigations grow cold; choosing a suspect and forging the evidence to fit.. Perceived hypothesis is why the Adam Walsh case went cold for almost three decades..

With that said, I haven't followed Dylan's case that closely. After the news of his recovery, I began scanning the threads and noticed a few very disturbing revelations; Dylans' disappearance was initially treated as a runaway by LE. There was no Amber Alert issued for Dylan.
Critical/valuable time was squandered by investigators in the first few hours and days, focusing on his father, imo..
The stats indicate a stranger or slight acquaintance abduction when a child of Dylan's age vanishes..

The stats indicate that, but in this particular case, LE was right on in their assessment of the father, imo/ Look at where the remains were found. It was not a stranger or slight acquaintance that left them on the mountain overlooking the father's cabin, imo.

The reason that LE INITIAlly thought 'runaway' is they listened to the father, who told them the kid's fishing pole was missing, and he told them he thought the boy might have gone fishing that morning. He was trying to throw them off, purposely, IMO.

 

[HurleysRUs]

I thought I followed this case pretty hard from the beginning but I must have missed something. What fishing pole does everyone keep referring to?

As to NGRI I think he would have a better shot at SODDI. (IMO, cant see either working though)

 

[katydid23]

Was the search that Ransom (and MR) helped with near Middle Mountain Road? I know they said they found several things, I believe it was 10, that were sent for analysis. I'll have to look for a link if one is needed, but I remember MR saying that they found what they thought was one of DR's socks. That's why it's always bothered me when ER/EH says that not even a sock was found. If it was near there, that could be why they wanted to focus in that area. They had said that none of the items found were useful later, but it wouldn't be the first white lie someone in LE told for the sake of a case. MOO

Good question about the sock. I remember that too. I don't remember where that particular search took place though. I thought it was somewhere around the lake, which would make it near Middle mountain trial though. ?

 

[margarita25]

http://durangoherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20130628/NEWS01/130629532&template=mobileart

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From this link:

"Dylan enjoyed playing football, camping, hiking and even arguing with his brother, Cory said. He made people smile.

&#8220;He was such an absolute joy,&#8221; Cory said. &#8220;Every memory I have with him is a highlight of my life.&#8221;

Cory is so wonderful.

I noticed in this statement the mention of camping and hiking. While this statement does support that Dylan enjoyed the outdoors ( & "tossing the football" as Mark does attest), Cory still doesn't think hiking or camping had anything to do with his disappearance.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

From this link:

"Dylan enjoyed playing football, camping, hiking and even arguing with his brother, Cory said. He made people smile.

“He was such an absolute joy,” Cory said. “Every memory I have with him is a highlight of my life.”

Cory is so wonderful.

I noticed in this statement the mention of camping and hiking. While this statement supports that Dylan enjoyed the outdoors ("tossing the football" as Mark does attest), Cory still doesn't think hiking or camping had anything to do with his disappearance.

IMO thats because he enjoyed camping and hiking with other people such as his brother, not by himself.

 

[asyousay]

I thought I followed this case pretty hard from the beginning but I must have missed something. What fishing pole does everyone keep referring to?

As to NGRI I think he would have a better shot at SODDI. (IMO, cant see either working though)

Mark said that Dylan's fishing pole was missing and it was one the first things Mark noticed gone when he got home.

 

[asyousay]

IMO thats because he enjoyed camping and hiking with other people such as his brother, not by himself.

100% agree with you!!


Dylan was excited to see his friends Monday morning. Dylan himself is the one who arranged to go and visit Ryan and Dylan also said the time and threatened to kept pestering Ryan by phone all day if he did not let him in.

This child did not just blow off Ryan and go off by himself on Monday without any contacting anybody.

All this is based on My opinion!!

 

[Mitsana]

Critical/valuable time was squandered by investigators in the first few hours and days, focusing on his father, imo..
The stats indicate a stranger or slight acquaintance abduction when a child of Dylan's age vanishes..

If a stranger abducted Dylan from/near MR's home while MR was running errands, it was no later 11:30, most likely earlier. Dylan wasn't reported missing until 5:30 by his mother.

(see: http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...508/Some-leads-eliminated-in-Redwine-case---- ) [MR had contacted police during the afternoon but had not reported him missing.]

The remains were found about 10 miles from the father's house, which is in a pretty undeveloped area. If it was a stranger/non-MR abduction, even if an amber alert had been issued, it seems unlikely that anything anyone could do would have helped the situation at that point.

That said, I find that possibility very unlikely, IMO.

 

[margarita25]

One thing that really struck me in listening to the last Tricia interview with Mark prior to Dylan being found was what a bit of a different story seemed to now be emerging per Mark Redwine's account of November 18.. did anyone else come away with a very different sense of what the atmosphere was like between he and Dylan that evening??.. whereas prior to that interview with Tricia Mark's account of that evening was a painting of everything being a-okay, hunky-dory, and chummy pals with Dylan in their time spent together.. hitting the WalMart, grabbing the quick drive thru bite to eat on their way home back to dad's house..tossing around the nerf football..the father-son talk about Dylan's expressing his disappointment in not getting to play football at the new school and Mark's stating that if he'd had any say in it he would have ensured his boy got on that team.. the watching the movie together..etc..etc..

IMO the above is a quick summation of what the picture was of that evening as painted for us by Mark Redwine for the longest time..IMO literally up until that last interview with Tricia it had been illustrated as such by Mark..IMO the account of that evening that emerged from that last interview was IMO seemingly very, very different than what we had thus far, all along been told..<<---in MOO!

Others may not see any notable differences and as is always the case to each their own in how they interpret information, but I must say that I IMMEDIATELY UPON HEARING the last Tricia/Mark interview was struck at what IMO was a marked difference in the accounting of the atmosphere between father AND son that Sunday evening, November 18th(much to my dismay after listening to a replay of the interview and coming to post about my opinion I found that Dylan's forum had been temporarily closed)..

So, that's why I just now in thinking once again about what he said in that last interview with Tricia..thus the reason why I'm bringing it up now..I'm not claiming this new illustration per Mark of the last night with Dylan has some definite, damning meaning..not at all.. what I am saying is that I personally was immediately struck at the marked difference of it no longer this chummy pals, hunky-dory evening we had up til then been told..

In the latest accounting the atmosphere of that ENTIRE EVENING BETWEEN FATHER&SON imo was very strained FROM THE START of their getting together that evening in Mark picking up Dylan from the airport.. the last interview IMO there were very real glimpses into the uncomfortable, even at times angry atmosphere that seemed to very much brewing between these two that Sunday night, November 18..

IMO for any who know what I'm speaking of in the 6+ months of Mark's accounting of their last evening being a very much chummy father/son time..and have not yet heard that last interview between Tricia/Mark prior to Dylan being found..IMO its definitely worth a listen to see what I mean by saying what Mark says in that interview starkly contrasts from what he'd been saying all along about that time spent with Dylan that night..more specifically what was the actual atmosphere of much tension, discomfort, and even brimming with anger/resentment between he and Dylan that Sunday night..

BTW I just want to say that IMO Tricia has got a real way with Mark in the way she goes about interviewing Mark Redwine.. its truly a bit amazing to see the way she goes about knowing how..or maybe just naturally atune in being able to combine the perfect mixture of comfort, very much open two-way connected dialogue, with a subtle yet very effective ability to direct him when necessary.. as usual I'm probably not sufficiently describing what/how she goes about conducting her interviews with Mark..but IMO she really allows and at the same time directs it perfectly bringing out details not yet known..clarifying the muddying speak that at times comes in large and long waves from Mark..and in the end presenting new info and details that we did not have or know prior.. anyhoo, Bravo Tricia for the damn good job you do in interviewing Mark!

But again IMO if you've not yet heard the interview IMO its definitely worth a listen as IMO what emerges is a very different..very strained, and IMO very uncomfortable atmosphere between father and son on that last night, November 18.. all jmo, tho!

Can you please link the specific interview, thank you!

 

[ColdHands]

It would be interesting to know if Dylan had ever fished with R and the other friends in Bayfield, perhaps along that river they seem to have enjoyed hanging out at. If they did and Dylan thought he was getting a ride into town with someone before his dad could take him, I could see him grabbing the pole in case the boys wanted to fish. Otherwise, the missing pole is a sticking point for me. IMO.

 

[katydid23]

I thought I followed this case pretty hard from the beginning but I must have missed something. What fishing pole does everyone keep referring to?

As to NGRI I think he would have a better shot at SODDI. (IMO, cant see either working though)

I just went googling to see if I could find the original links for you. Can't seem to find them now, but originally, Mark told LE that Dylan's fishing pole was missing. So when they began to search the lake, Mark was critical that it took them so long to begin dragging the lake. He said he told them from the start that the fishing pole was missing so what took them so long.

 

[margarita25]

Kind of like Munchhausen syndrome by proxy, only worse? Thinking he could "bond" with Elaine over Dylan being missing, maybe? They would have to "work together".....It's a thought.

Interesting...

 

[cluciano63]

I am wondering if MR is guilty and convicted and/or confesses, if he would make it sound as though he was "saving" Dylan from his horrible role as "peacemaker", somehow making it Elaine's fault.

But I doubt he would ever confess, even if convicted.

 

[Mitsana]

Here's one thing that is bothering me in MR's story that I haven't seen others focus on (but I haven't read the back threads so maybe this has been visited and revisited before)...

We know that Dylan had a specific plan to meet R at his gma's house at 6:30. Presumably, Dylan would tell his father the time he planned on being there so that his father could drive him there (I do not believe Dylan would want to get up hours earlier in order to walk there by 6:30).

MR said he knew something about a plan for Dylan to meet up with a friend the next day.
Let's say that he knew the specifics of the plan, because if everything were normal, Dylan would have told him the 6:30 plan so that he could be driven there on time.

Let's go further and assume that come morning, MR tried to rouse Dylan but couldn't and he didn't force the issue and make Dylan get out of bed, despite his plans. I can understand not doing that. But then to leave the house at 7:30 and stay away for 4 hours when you know your child planned to be somewhere at 6:30 doesn't seem reasonable or normal to me.

So, IMO, it seems like MR didn't know about the 6:30 plan (and if not, why not? surely Dylan would want to arrange a ride). Or, IMO, maybe he did know about the 6:30 plan, but he still went out for reasons of his own that morning, either figuring that his implicit part in that plan would be forgotten or just not thinking about it at all because of all the other things on his mid.

Again, MOO.

 

[asyousay]

At this stage has anybody changed there mind recently on who they think is responsible ?

I do keep thinking "what if" but my mind is pretty much firmly made up .

 

[tlcya]

Can you please link the specific interview, thank you!

I am not SO but happened to have been reading this earlier so have the link handy to the transcript of the radio show interview I think SO was referencing. It took place Sunday, June 9, 2013

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191821&page=5

HTH

ETA katydid, the fishing pole is discussed in the Tricia radio show as well.