Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[Tink56]

When I read the timeline for the day of Dylan's arrival, I am perplexed by the huge amount of time it took MR and DR to arrive at Walmart after the plane's arrival.

The plane arrived at 5:45. Okay...allow 15 minutes for taxing to the gate and deplaning. Dylan did not have luggage. Maybe he stopped at a restroom.

I looked at the maps and admit I don't know the terrain, but the distance to Walmart does not appear that far, maybe 5-10 miles. (Just looked it up on Google. It is 10.5 or 11.1 miles depending on the route. Google's estimate is 14-16 minutes.)

Why did it take over an hour (1 hour, 20 minutes) to get from the airport to the picture of Dylan entering Walmart?

Here's my reference points:

• 5:46 p.m. Dylan arrived at Durango-La Plata airport.
• 7:05 p.m. Dylan at Durango Walmart
• 7:22 p.m. Dylan at Durango McDonalds
• 9:37 p.m. Dylan’s last electronic device communication (texting)
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...3-year-old-dylan-redwine-in-durango-vallecito

 

[Pensfan]

It would be interesting to know if Dylan had ever fished with R and the other friends in Bayfield, perhaps along that river they seem to have enjoyed hanging out at. If they did and Dylan thought he was getting a ride into town with someone before his dad could take him, I could see him grabbing the pole in case the boys wanted to fish. Otherwise, the missing pole is a sticking point for me. IMO.

It might be one of the items the professional search team found in the steep ravine along with Dylan's bones.

 

[asyousay]

IMO

I think the fishing pole does not exist and was simply a red herring to get them looking at the lake. I think with so many hours that night (Sunday night 9.40pm-8am Monday) that there was no panicking and a plan was thought out and executed.

:cow: :cow: :cow:

 

[my_tee_mouse]

IMO, Dylan did not choose that time out of thin air. He must have been told, presumably by MR, that it would have to be at 6:30am or after the errands. Maybe Dylan said 6:30 to R, when MR meant they would have to be up at 6:30. Or else MR did not get away until later because he was busy doing other things.

In any event, I doubt that Dylan just made up the specified time.

That 6:30 a.m. Even that smacks of control to me. "It'll be on my time or not at all" type of thing. Who makes their kid go to someone's house (or even get up at that hour to go to someone's house) at that hour just so he doesn't have to alter his errand schedule?

I know a somebody...actually a somebody and their spouse...who are like that...cut off their own nose to spite their face rather than compromise. It's their way or the highway, no if's, and's or but's. The levels of immaturity that they can reach are astounding, and the pettiness of the subjects that set them off leaves one shaking their head. I sooo get the same vibe from this father.

And to listen to him speak leaves my poor brain doing this: :scared:

 

[Mitsana]

This has nothing to do with solving the case. It just seems so strange, that I have to say it. In the beginning and through much of this case MR referred to Dylan in the past tense and as "that boy." Now he is referring to Dylan in present tense and as "my son." Strange.

One possibility is that MR does web searches and sees the buttons he pushes and learns over time. But, if so, he is not a very fast learner since he is still pushing a lot of buttons.

 

[Kamille]

My thoughts on the fishing pole are that it was meant to send LE and searchers off on a wild goose chase. Get them looking at the lake, so they didn't head off up the mountain where Dylan was. Knowing that the weather was going to make that area impossible to search for months, all he really needed to do was keep them focused on the lake at the beginning. And I think the missing fishing pole was meant to put that focus in the wrong place.

Just my opinion.

And the missing backpack and all of his belongings could be another red herring to make LE believe that Dylan left the home on his own accord with the intent of staying away for some time. A possible runaway.

MOO

 

[Pensfan]

Kind of like Munchhausen syndrome by proxy, only worse? Thinking he could "bond" with Elaine over Dylan being missing, maybe? They would have to "work together".....It's a thought.

Here's another thought:
The controlling behavior of domestic abusers is frequently disguised as concern.

This fake concern can take many forms:
-concern for your safety (therefore, you must tell him/her everywhere you are going),
-concern for your children's emotional health (therefore, you must have lots of phone calls/mediation with him/her during the divorce or you will be accused of not caring about your children),
-concern about the need to use your time wisely (therefore, he/she will "help" you by telling you what to do and when to do it), and etc...

 

[margarita25]

I wonder if MR and Dylan ever visited the top of the mountain at MM road to enjoy the view and get an aerial view of their property / house below in the past.

In other words, was this is a location where MR and Dylan previously spent time together?

It would be interesting to ask Mark if he has ever been up to this location / area before.

 

[gitana1]

HurleysRUS, perceived hypothesis, is one of the primary reasons that missing persons' investigations grow cold; choosing a suspect and forging the evidence to fit.. Perceived hypothesis is why the Adam Walsh case went cold for almost three decades..

With that said, I haven't followed Dylan's case that closely. After the news of his recovery, I began scanning the threads and noticed a few very disturbing revelations; Dylans' disappearance was initially treated as a runaway by LE. There was no Amber Alert issued for Dylan.
Critical/valuable time was squandered by investigators in the first few hours and days, focusing on his father, imo..
The stats indicate a stranger or slight acquaintance abduction when a child of Dylan's age vanishes..

I'm not sure about your stats. That's not at all what I'm seeing with missing teen cases:

About half of the roughly 800,000 missing juvenile cases in 2001 involved runaways, and another 200,000 were classified as family abductions related to domestic or custody disputes.
Only about 100 missing-child reports each year fit the profile of a stereotypical abduction by a stranger or vague acquaintance.
Two-thirds of those victims are ages 12 to 17, and among those eight out of 10 are white females, according to a Justice Department study. Nearly 90 percent of the abductors are men, and they sexually assault their victims in half of the cases.http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/americas_missing/2.html

Based on the identity of the perpetrator, there are three distinct types of kidnapping: kidnapping by a relative of the victim or "family kidnapping" (49 percent), kidnapping by an acquaintance of the victim or "acquaintance kidnapping" (27 percent), and kidnapping by a stranger to the victim or "stranger kidnapping" (24 percent).
Family kidnapping is committed primarily by parents, involves a larger percentage of female perpetrators (43 percent) than other types of kidnapping offenses, occurs more frequently to children under 6, equally victimizes juveniles of both sexes, and most often originates in the home.
Acquaintance kidnapping involves a comparatively high percentage of juvenile perpetrators, has the largest percentage of female and teenage victims, is more often associated with other crimes (especially sexual and physical assault), occurs at homes and residences, and has the highest percentage of injured victims.
Stranger kidnapping victimizes more females than males, occurs primarily at outdoor locations, victimizes both teenagers and school-age children, is associated with sexual assaults in the case of girl victims and robberies in the case of boy victims (although not exclusively so), and is the type of kidnapping most likely to involve the use of a firearm.
Only about one child out of each 10,000 missing children reported to the local police is not found alive. However, about 20 percent of the children reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in nonfamily abductions are not found alive.
In 80 percent of abductions by strangers, the first contact between the child and the abductor occurs within a quarter mile of the child's home.
Most potential abductors grab their victims on the street or try to lure them into their vehicles.
About 74 percent of the victims of nonfamily child abduction are girls.http://www.parents.com/kids/safety/stranger-safety/child-abduction-facts/

Of all caretaker missing children, nearly one-half (48 percent)were missing because of a runaway/thrownawayepisode. More than one-fourth (28 percent) became missing
as a result of benign explanation circumstances (miscommunications
or misunderstandings between child
and caretaker). Children who were missing because they
became lost or injured accounted for 15 percent of all
caretaker missing children. Less than one-tenth (9 percent)
of caretaker missing children were abducted by
family members, and only 3 percent were abducted by
nonfamily perpetrators.http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CG0QFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncjrs.gov%2Fpdffiles1%2Fojjdp%2F196465.pdf&ei=21vPUeS_CaqoigKMuICwAg&usg=AFQjCNH5XompM9Muij6KriQLyKz-tHHcsw&sig2=g_XIHlObvRExZ6yhNCLDiQ&bvm=bv.48572450,d.cGE&cad=rja

And let's talk about the specifics of this case:
1. Dad with a history of a volatile temper, abductions of his own kids or violations of child custody orders, domestic violence.
2. A bitter and long divorce case that culminated in the missing child speaking in chambers with the judge about a month before he disappeared, that talk resulting in essentially no communication until the visit during which he disappeared.
3. A kid who did not want to go to his dad's at all.
4. A kid who was a crazy, voracious texter, who suddenly stopped all texting at 9:37 p.m. the night he arrived at his dad's, even though his regular bedtime was between 11:00 p.m. and midnight.
5. A dad who did not contact LE until several hours after he returned home from a morning errand and noticed his newly arrived child was not home. Oh, also, he took a nap before contacting the police.
6. A dad who refused to speak with the mother after Dylan went missing, for months. He notified her by text that Dylan was missing.
7. A dad who reportedly failed his LE polygraph "miserably".
8. A dad who squirmed out of a taking a second one sponsored by the Dr. Phil show.
9. The child went missing in a remote area where not many people live.
10. No credible sighting of Dylan after he arrived at his dad's has been established.
11.A dad who refused to participate in most search efforts or efforts to find Dylan.
12. A dad who has seemed very flat emotionally and concentrating mostly on bolstering his own character or story and bashing the mother, rather than expressing fear or grief about Dylan and who never took responsibility for the fact or expressing remorse that Dylan disappeared in his custody. This is in contrast to a panicky and tearful mother who has been relentless in her efforts to locate her son.
13. A second son who believes the father could have harmed Dylan.
14. Another ex-wife who believes the father could have harmed Dylan.
15. A dad who casually remarked about the condition of his little boy's remains, on the very day it was revealed that the body had been found.
16. A statement by LE that the community has nothing to fear.
17. Zero evidence that LE chose a suspect and forced the evidence to fit.
:moo:

 

[tlcya]

Its neither here nor there, but my husband I, in casual conversation with one another and with others, refer to our sons as "your boy" "my boy" and "the boy" on a regular basis.

My child is not missing so I do not know if I would choose different wording under those circs. Just saying. The boy, that boy, my boy, your boy, our boy does not set of a red flag for me.

 

[katydid23]

When I read the timeline for the day of Dylan's arrival, I am perplexed by the huge amount of time it took MR and DR to arrive at Walmart after the plane's arrival.

The plane arrived at 5:45. Okay...allow 15 minutes for taxing to the gate and deplaning. Dylan did not have luggage. Maybe he stopped at a restroom.

I looked at the maps and admit I don't know the terrain, but the distance to Walmart does not appear that far, maybe 5-10 miles. (Just looked it up on Google. It is 10.5 or 11.1 miles depending on the route. Google's estimate is 14-16 minutes.)

Why did it take over an hour (1 hour, 20 minutes) to get from the airport to the picture of Dylan entering Walmart?

Here's my reference points:

Have you seen the picture of Dylan as he is walking into Walmart? IMO, his face says it all. :frown: I bet they argued in the truck about Dylan wanting to go to his friends that night.

 

[SCHMAE]

100% agree with you!!


Dylan was excited to see his friends Monday morning. Dylan himself is the one who arranged to go and visit Ryan and Dylan also said the time and threatened to kept pestering Ryan by phone all day if he did not let him in.

This child did not just blow off Ryan and go off by himself on Monday without any contacting anybody.

All this is based on My opinion!!

I could believe that Dylan DID do just that if he were found a little closer to home, say within a half mile or mile. I can see him wasting some time waiting for dad to get home and catch his ride. But there is no way he would venture to an area 10 miles away on a day he's going to be leaving in a couple of hours for a much anticipated trip. And now LE has said it's homicide so no way did he end up there on his own accord

 

[Pensfan]

Pffft! Now the story is that Elaine muttered out of her car window and she didn’t shout out the word “murderer”. (I would have done something much worse.) Hmm. I suspect no one else heard Elaine say that, so Mark changed his story.

“I was standing outside and her vehicle passed by and turned around in the driveway in front of my house and as she was passing back by she muttered out the window, ‘Murderer,’ ” Mark Redwine said.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/06/29/dylan-redwine-case-casts-ugly-spotlight-on-his-parents/

muttered past participle, past tense of mut·ter (Verb)
-Say something in a low or barely audible voice, esp. in dissatisfaction or irritation.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Agreed Eileen, but many people have a skewed idea of what it means. They think if someone acts ' crazy' then theyre legally ' insane' . KWIM
He may think he'd get it .

Also I wonder if someone somehwere said ( and im about to look it up ) that is a certain % of the body is all that is found, nothing can be proved? Is that even possible ? It's curious the 98% . I thought when I heard it , that was odd. Why not say most or almost all or very little, why 98% ?

There are 206 bones in the body, 5 of Dylan's have been found...... so its pretty much 98% still missing. Yes, it is a strange way of looking at it, but some people do talk like that. My husband probably would say something like that, but that's because he has a maths degree and thinks very numerically/scientifically and being in the Army, they do tend to use different terms to the rest of us, very clinical I guess. Like he always says "sixteen hundred hours" when I'd say 4.00pm, even if he's arranging to meet me. That said, I don't know MR's background and he doesn't come across that way to me!

With regards to MR, its a very detatched way of talking about his son's remains. I remember ER was talking about Dylan's bones possibly lying in the open months ago, when he was missing. Maybe when you know deep down that your child is dead, you start thinking and talking in those terms, the way ER did? As for the way MR spoke, I just don't know.

Its not looking good for him, he was the last person to see Dylan, all the circumstantial evidence points to him, even his own behaviour and statements points to him! And if the 'Find DR Facebook' page is anything to go by, he's already been tried and convicted. But I guess until he is officially named as a suspect or charged, I'll still give him the benefit of the doubt - innocent until proven guilty and all that.

I know its not a popular opinion, but 1% of me still believes that Dylan could have gone out on the Monday morning and been picked up by the wrong person. I don't know why I can't dismiss that tiny possibility (short of not wanting to believe any parent could kill their own child,that seems worse than a stranger doing it for some reason) - but maybe its because my own kids are unpredictable and I can't absolutely say they would or wouldn't do something, no matter how well I think I know them. They are teenagers, that's how they work.

I know that my kids have done the "no contact with the outside world" thing for hours, for no reason. Yes, they've not used a phone, laptop or any other communication device all day, very unusually. Some days they say they just "don't feel like" it. Also, they have inexplicably decided not to get up and go out as planned some mornings, and stayed in bed for that few extra hours as they've been comfortable in bed.... and not bothered to let their mates know. Because I've seen that happen myself, I can't totally dismiss it - no matter how far fetched it seems.

The other things that allows me to have that 1% of doubt is the fact that if something did happen to DR around 8pm on the Sunday, then why would MR only hide him 10 miles away, when he had all night to drive him somewhere he'd never be found? Yes he knew the weather would prevent searches, but the snow and ice would eventually melt. People say that he had all night to plan this and tidy up (and so far we've not heard of any forensic evidence turning up) but if that is the case, why is his actual story so rubbish and unbelievable.

 

[Mitsana]

I'm not sure about your stats. That's not at all what I'm seeing with missing teen cases:
And let's talk about the specifics of this case:
(list of 17 items)

Don't forget...
4.5 (or so) A kid who who at the previous meeting with his father confronted him about some extremely embarrassing photos he had previously found while uploading pictures off his father's camera.


Like Elaine, I wouldn't have assumed that the pictures meant there was any particular danger to Dylan, but given what actually happened to him and in the context of the 17 other points, it seems like those pictures may have contributed to a change in dynamic that was the final straw, IMO.

 

[jjenny]

This has nothing to do with solving the case. It just seems so strange, that I have to say it. In the beginning and through much of this case MR referred to Dylan in the past tense and as "that boy." Now he is referring to Dylan in present tense and as "my son." Strange.

Not that strange if you think about it. I am sure he knows people criticized him for saying that boy and using past tense.

 

[jjenny]

Yep , I posted what he said in the other thread about his "gut" feeling. Dylan was nowhere near his home apparently . Almost like he didn't want LE looking too close to home :moo:

The exact quote so i do not look like i am making this stuff up

I guess one thing we can be certain of is that we can't trust his gut feelings.

 

[jjenny]

When I read the timeline for the day of Dylan's arrival, I am perplexed by the huge amount of time it took MR and DR to arrive at Walmart after the plane's arrival.

The plane arrived at 5:45. Okay...allow 15 minutes for taxing to the gate and deplaning. Dylan did not have luggage. Maybe he stopped at a restroom.

I looked at the maps and admit I don't know the terrain, but the distance to Walmart does not appear that far, maybe 5-10 miles. (Just looked it up on Google. It is 10.5 or 11.1 miles depending on the route. Google's estimate is 14-16 minutes.)

Why did it take over an hour (1 hour, 20 minutes) to get from the airport to the picture of Dylan entering Walmart?

Here's my reference points:

I am pretty sure Walmart is some way from the airport.

 

[Texas12]

I have followed this case since Dylan first went missing, however, I do not live in Colorado. I am a mom and my heart hurts for Dylan's mom, brother and their friends and family. My theory on the disappearance of Dylan presents Dylan's father as a main focal point.
Back story: When I was little my brother and cousin were fighting non-stop in the backseat of our family car. My mom became infuriated after many attempts at quieting them to no avail. She screamed for my father to stop the car in an extremely rural area on our way home. She made my brother and cousin get out of the car and walk.... she had threatend to do this many times before she actually did it. I was in shock and scared for my older brother (9 or 10 years old). After driving a mile or so up the road she asked my dad to turn around and check on them. They were fine, she allowed them into the car and we all had a very quiet peaceful ride home.

I think conversations were beyond heated between Dylan and his dad. Dad may have said "if you want to see your friends so bad then get out and go see them" Probably in a more angry vulgar way! How was Dylan's arrival to his father's house confirmed? Perhaps Mark felt guilty for forcing Dylan out of the car but when he went to look for him he couldn't find him.... The outcome of the dad's actions may not have been intentional or premeditated but definately negligent!! Maybe it happend in the morning? I feel like Mark was angry with Dylan and in a heated moment they became separated or Dylan was hurt. Mark waited too long.... Dylan was lost with no outlet of communication.... JMO Based on Mark's reresentation of himself in numerous interviews, I believe he is deceitful, intelligent and capable of anything!
This is my first post on this site..... I'm not trying to break the rules. Just expressing my thoughts.

 

[vasportsmom]

Just wanted to thank Gitana1 and Pensfan who always bring *the wise* to any thread and manage to do so in a professional, respectful and intelligent way.