Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

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  • #801
I could believe that Dylan DID do just that if he were found a little closer to home, say within a half mile or mile. I can see him wasting some time waiting for dad to get home and catch his ride. But there is no way he would venture to an area 10 miles away on a day he's going to be leaving in a couple of hours for a much anticipated trip. And now LE has said it's homicide so no way did he end up there on his own accord :(

But could LE mean that he was taken there by someone else? If he had been wasting time, hanging around outside waiting for his dad, maybe wandering around for a mile down the road or something - then someone could have picked him up. And where he was found was the dumping site.

So LE are correct, Dylan didn't end up there of his own accord? But they don't necessarily mean that MR drove him there?
 
  • #802
Here's one thing that is bothering me in MR's story that I haven't seen others focus on (but I haven't read the back threads so maybe this has been visited and revisited before)...

We know that Dylan had a specific plan to meet R at his gma's house at 6:30. Presumably, Dylan would tell his father the time he planned on being there so that his father could drive him there (I do not believe Dylan would want to get up hours earlier in order to walk there by 6:30).

MR said he knew something about a plan for Dylan to meet up with a friend the next day.
Let's say that he knew the specifics of the plan, because if everything were normal, Dylan would have told him the 6:30 plan so that he could be driven there on time.

Let's go further and assume that come morning, MR tried to rouse Dylan but couldn't and he didn't force the issue and make Dylan get out of bed, despite his plans. I can understand not doing that. But then to leave the house at 7:30 and stay away for 4 hours when you know your child planned to be somewhere at 6:30 doesn't seem reasonable or normal to me.

So, IMO, it seems like MR didn't know about the 6:30 plan (and if not, why not? surely Dylan would want to arrange a ride). Or, IMO, maybe he did know about the 6:30 plan, but he still went out for reasons of his own that morning, either figuring that his implicit part in that plan would be forgotten or just not thinking about it at all because of all the other things on his mid.

Again, MOO.

MR knew full well about the plan to get up early. He even joked about it in some interviews, claiming even though Dylan was wanting to meet his friend early, MR didn't think Dylan would get up that early.
 
  • #803
HurleysRUS, perceived hypothesis, is one of the primary reasons that missing persons' investigations grow cold; choosing a suspect and forging the evidence to fit.. Perceived hypothesis is why the Adam Walsh case went cold for almost three decades..

With that said, I haven't followed Dylan's case that closely. After the news of his recovery, I began scanning the threads and noticed a few very disturbing revelations; Dylans' disappearance was initially treated as a runaway by LE. There was no Amber Alert issued for Dylan.
Critical/valuable time was squandered by investigators in the first few hours and days, focusing on his father, imo..
The stats indicate a stranger or slight acquaintance abduction when a child of Dylan's age vanishes..
As someone who has closely followed Dylan's case from the start here at WS..and in being someone who did not have any perceived hypothesis' attempting to thereby force fit the pieces of the case to "fit a perceived hypothesis"..nor came into this case with thoughts or suspicions of this wonderful young man's father being the responsible individual for this child's "disappearance".. Much different is the actual, factual reality of the way in which myself and many, many others approached this case from the start in our looking at every angle possible for why/who was responsible and/or involved in this young man's having suddenly "disappeared"..

Thorough and exhaustive discussion took place about every angle and person possible that may have been responsible and/or involved in why this young man was gone ..the factual reality is myself and many others approached the case in an extremely fair manner wrt the time, effort, and large volume of discussions, sleuthing, and studying ALL AVAILABLE OPTIONS IN THE WHY/WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE AND/OR INVOLVED WITH THIS CHILD'S ABDUCTION..MARK REDWINE WAS NOT ZEROED IN ON FROM THE START.

Atleast not here at Websleuths he was NOT..Much different was it that all angles and possibilities were explored and quite frankly continued to be explored long past reason..the sightings, especially the mail carrier's sighting was so thoroughly explored and looked at from a standpoint of it being used as basis for which we worked around timeline wise and attached great weight in the available options and possibilities that comes from using that mail carrier's sighting as a point of reference in our breaking down of the case and the possibilities in those early on weeks and months..

The truth of the matter is that a very good many of us even continued on with looking at all those other available possibilities OTHER THAN MARK REDWINE'S BEING RESPONSIBLE AND INVOLVED.. THIS EXTREMELY THOROUGH AND IN GREAT DETAIL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ANGLES SUCH AS ABDUCTION BY A STRANGER OR SLIGHT ACQUAINTANCE WERE ALL THOROUGHLY EXPLORED BY MANY OF US, FOXFIRE..

Those many of us who have followed closely from the beginning and have been active participants throughout the various stages of discussions, sleuthing, theorizing, and looking at ALL angles and possibilities of why this young man suddenly, extremely uncharacteristically ceased ALL communication, permanently and then seemingly vanished from existence..thousands of pages of documented, black and white proof exists right here on WS in Dylan's forum that myself along with many other members approached this case with NO PERCEIVED HYPOTHESIS and from there force fit the pieces of this case to suit these "perceived hypothesis"..<<-- this could not be more way off base from what is actually the factual truth of how this case has been approached, discussed, sleuthed, etc by the many members who've actively participated in looking at this from all angles and possibilities..most pointedly is the fact that we did not initially zero in or zoom focus on this wonderful young man's "dad", Mark Redwine.. ..

IMO in having those hundreds upon thousands of posts upon posts where these thorough alternative to Mark Redwine possibilities were discussed long past ad nauseum and clearly stand as proof positive of the fair shake Mark Redwine was given by many of us from the start and throughout those earlier stages of this case.. IMO the factual truth of how this case was approached as well as how exhaustively all alternatives, avenues, and possibilities were discussed in great depth with Mark Redwine NOT BEING the main focus or theory..This truth IMO needs to be clarified immediately in replacing the false, mistaken, and untrue notions of there being perceived hypothesis, tunnel vision type approach from the onset, or any other falsehood related to the notion of Mark Redwine receiving anything other than a fair shake in the approach that was taken by those of us who have actively participated in the discussions of this MISSING YOUNG PERSON'S case.. now known to be murder of a beautiful, vibrant, full of such life and vivacious personality that his small framed body could possibly contain.. Dylan Nicolas Redwine's having been literally stripped from the lives of the so many who truly love him and now will live every day of the remainder of their lives with the huge, gaping, vacant, empty hole left in their lives from this young man's life and light having been extinguished from this world.

I really do not think LE wasted any significant time. Looking at the terrain involved and the vast area in which Dylan could have been, it is either a miracle that his remains were found or excellent LE work. I choose the latter. (JMO)
<RSBM for space>..ITA!

The stats indicate that, but in this particular case, LE was right on in their assessment of the father, imo/ Look at where the remains were found. It was not a stranger or slight acquaintance that left them on the mountain overlooking the father's cabin, imo.

The reason that LE INITIAlly thought 'runaway' is they listened to the father, who told them the kid's fishing pole was missing, and he told them he thought the boy might have gone fishing that morning. He was trying to throw them off, purposely, IMO.
its the responsibility of the parent to report their child missing isn't it?

he sent a text to his ex wife that he couldn't find Dylan and he was supposedly 'at the marshalls office taking care of it'

many months went by before LE stated that EH was the parent who reported Dylan missing.
Of course the responsibility lies with the parent to whom the minor child's entire well being and care is reliant upon at the time they "vanish".. IMO no one but the parent is responsible for providing this level of care especially in a case where there are specific, detailed court orders for whose physical custody/care the minor child is to be in at the time of the child's "vanishing"

The time lapse before a child goes missing is normally about 2+ hours and it is not the responsibility of the father of the missing child to initiate a missing child investigation..
Most State Law Enforcement Agencies have a CARD Team & other resources available immediately upon request.

and/or Federal Resources upon request..
Criminal Pursuit: The FBI Child Abduction Team
http://investigation.discovery.com/...inal-pursuit-the-fbi-child-abduction-team.htm
Yes, it is solely a parents responsibility to sound the alarm, and initiate the ball rolling of involvement from LEA when their child goes "missing".. IMO no where else and with NO ONE ELSE does the responsibility lie for initiating and informing LE about your minor child who is at that time in your physical custody via court ordered custody for a parental visitation when that minor child uncharacteristically, suddenly ceases ALL communication WITH ANYONE..and the child's quite literally ceasing to exist on the face of the earth..IT IS NO ONE BUT THAT PARENT WITH THE COURT ORDERED, SCHEDULED, PHYSICAL CUSTODY OF THE MINOR CHILD AT THE TIME ANY/ALL TRACES OF THE CHILD CEASE TO EXIST..THAT PARENT AKA MARK REDWINE IN THIS CASE IS EXACTLY WHO BORE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENSURING CARE OF HIS MINOR SON WAS PROVIDED..

IMO THE FACT IS THAT THE CARE WAS NOT PROVIDED FOR THIS MINOR CHILD, DYLAN..ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT THE RESPONSIBLE PARENT WHO WAS COURT ORDERED PHYSICAL CUSTODY OF HIS MINOR CHILD, DYLAN FOR A PARENTAL VISITATION DID NOT EVEN INITIATE AND REPORT THE FACT HIS MINOR SON, DYLAN WAS MISSING..

Unfortunately when LE immediately become involved in the extremely critical issue of a minor child "MISSING" it is the parents to whom investigators are reliant upon for all their immediate, initial info/details surrounding the child's having gone "MISSING"..Therefor it is those initial details that they are relying upon initially in beginning their involvement in finding and seeing to it this minor child is brought to safety..

Tragically the fact is that all too often we see it being the actual parent(s) that have direct involvement and are responsible for why the minor child is "missing" and this tragic fact obviously allows critical hours and minutes of that initial stage of LE involvement to be lost, wasted, and/or even sent off in completely wrong AND opposite directions in that initial, crucial period of time in searching for the missing child..

IMO anyone can play blame-game when intentional misleading is done by an involved in the crime parent..but this isn't a game and the only one that bears responsibility and blame for the blatant, intentional misleading details given by a parent to investigators, IS THE PARENT(S).. The responsibility lies solely with the parent(s) in their mal intent and the very real repercussions those intents and actions bring about as a result.

IT IS MOO!.. MOO!.. MOO!.. AND MORE MOO!!
 
  • #804
There are 206 bones in the body, 5 of Dylan's have been found...... so its pretty much 98% still missing. Yes, it is a strange way of looking at it, but some people do talk like that. My husband probably would say something like that, but that's because he has a maths degree and thinks very numerically/scientifically and being in the Army, they do tend to use different terms to the rest of us, very clinical I guess. Like he always says "sixteen hundred hours" when I'd say 4.00pm, even if he's arranging to meet me. That said, I don't know MR's background and he doesn't come across that way to me!

With regards to MR, its a very detatched way of talking about his son's remains. I remember ER was talking about Dylan's bones possibly lying in the open months ago, when he was missing. Maybe when you know deep down that your child is dead, you start thinking and talking in those terms, the way ER did? As for the way MR spoke, I just don't know.

Its not looking good for him, all the circumstantial evidence points to him and if the 'Find DR Facebook' page is anything to go by, he's already been tried and convicted. But I guess until he is officially named as a suspect or charged, I'll still give him the benefit of the doubt - innocent until proven guilty and all that.

I know its not a popular opinion, but 1% of me still believes that Dylan could have gone out on the Monday morning and been picked up by the wrong person. I don't know why I can't dismiss that tiny possibility - maybe its because my own kids are unpredictable and I can't absolutely say they would or wouldn't do something, no matter how well I think I know them. They are teenagers, that's how they work.

I know that my kids have done the "no contact with the outside world" thing for hours, for no reason. Yes, they've not used a phone, laptop or any other communication device all day, very unusually. Some days they say they just "don't feel like" it. Also, they have inexplicably decided not to get up and go out as planned some mornings, and stayed in bed for that few extra hours as they've been comfortable in bed.... and not bothered to let their mates know. Because I've seen that happen myself, I can't totally dismiss it - no matter how far fetched it seems.

The other things that allows me to give that 1% of doubt is the fact that if something did happen to DR around 8pm on the Sunday, then why would MR only hide him 10 miles away, when he had all night to drive him somewhere he'd never be found?

BBM
I think he left him where he did so he was still under his control. Mark could step out his door and look right at the 'resting' place. I think he wanted to keep Dylan close by, and away from Elaine. JMO

As far as your description of your kids, I agree. Sometimes my DS used to ignore his cell and ignore the texts and just 'chill' at home. I understand what you are describing.

But your kids are comfortable sand happy to be at home with you. I don't think Dylan felt that way that Sunday. From reading the texts he sent to Ryan, it sounded like he could not wait to get away from his Dad's house. JMO
 
  • #805
I have followed this case since Dylan first went missing, however, I do not live in Colorado. I am a mom and my heart hurts for Dylan's mom, brother and their friends and family. My theory on the disappearance of Dylan presents Dylan's father as a main focal point.
Back story: When I was little my brother and cousin were fighting non-stop in the backseat of our family car. My mom became infuriated after many attempts at quieting them to no avail. She screamed for my father to stop the car in an extremely rural area on our way home. She made my brother and cousin get out of the car and walk.... she had threatend to do this many times before she actually did it. I was in shock and scared for my older brother (9 or 10 years old). After driving a mile or so up the road she asked my dad to turn around and check on them. They were fine, she allowed them into the car and we all had a very quiet peaceful ride home.

I think conversations were beyond heated between Dylan and his dad. Dad may have said "if you want to see your friends so bad then get out and go see them" Probably in a more angry vulgar way! How was Dylan's arrival to his father's house confirmed? Perhaps Mark felt guilty for forcing Dylan out of the car but when he went to look for him he couldn't find him.... The outcome of the dad's actions may not have been intentional or premeditated but definately negligent!! Maybe it happend in the morning? I feel like Mark was angry with Dylan and in a heated moment they became separated or Dylan was hurt. Mark waited too long.... Dylan was lost with no outlet of communication.... JMO Based on Mark's reresentation of himself in numerous interviews, I believe he is deceitful, intelligent and capable of anything!
This is my first post on this site..... I'm not trying to break the rules. Just expressing my thoughts.

Welcome TEX ! Great post imho. I have an ex in law who did a similar thing when his sons were younger, more than once in fact. Thankfully they were not that rural and he went right back for them, but this very idea has crossed my mind. If MR did this , he could easily not feel responsible for ' hurting' Dylan because he figures he technically did not do so. We will have to see.
 
  • #806
Does anyone know if Mark had a pre-existing appointment with his attorney that morning, or if he simply stopped by the office? His visits were apparently confirmed by law enforcement, I was just wondering if he had pre-planned them or if he decided to go that morning to help help create a more convincing cover story.
 
  • #807
But could LE mean that he was taken there by someone else? If he he been wasting time, hanging around outside waiting for his dad, maybe wandering around for a mile down the road or something - then someone could have picked him up. And where he was found was the dumping site.

So LE are correct, Dylan didn't end up there of his own accord? But they don't necessarily mean that MR drove him there?

Vallecito is a very small, remote mountain town. In November it was nearly deserted. There are very few people around there and the few that were, have been closely investigated, AFAIK.

Why would Dylan have packed up everything single thing he brought, and walked out into the cold, when he hadn't even answered his fathers texts? If he was going to go outside and wait for his dad, wouldn't he have replied to his texts to see what time he was returning?

I know when my kids were that impatient age, and they were waiting for me to give them a ride, they were relentless in finding out my ETA.
 
  • #808
Have you seen the picture of Dylan as he is walking into Walmart? IMO, his face says it all. :frown: I bet they argued in the truck about Dylan wanting to go to his friends that night.

Thank you for directing my attention to that. I hadn't really looked at the security photos before. All I can say is wow. Not just his face, but his left arm looks red in the Walmart photo, IMO. Compare it to the security picture from the airport. MOO.
 
  • #809
Have you seen the picture of Dylan as he is walking into Walmart? IMO, his face says it all. :frown: I bet they argued in the truck about Dylan wanting to go to his friends that night.

Agreed...but that was a long discussion....IMO...:twocents:
 
  • #810
Thank you for directing my attention to that. I hadn't really looked at the security photos before. All I can say is wow. Not just his face, but his left arm looks red in the Walmart photo, IMO. Compare it to the security picture from the airport. MOO.

We had a very long involved discussion about the redmarks on his arm. FALSE ALARM. It was decided that the crummy resolution creates those red marks, and they are not actually there in reality.

But his face looks very unhappy. My kids didnt like grocery shopping either, but they did like getting the chance to beg for their fave snacks. I would think he could have been a little more upbeat unless he and his dad had already begun arguing.
 
  • #811
I'm not sure about your stats. That's not at all what I'm seeing with missing teen cases:
And let's talk about the specifics of this case:
1. Dad with a history of a volatile temper, abductions of his own kids or violations of child custody orders, domestic violence.
2. A bitter and long divorce case that culminated in the missing child speaking in chambers with the judge about a month before he disappeared, that talk resulting in essentially no communication until the visit during which he disappeared.
3. A kid who did not want to go to his dad's at all.
4. A kid who was a crazy, voracious texter, who suddenly stopped all texting at 9:37 p.m. the night he arrived at his dad's, even though his regular bedtime was between 11:00 p.m. and midnight.
5. A dad who did not contact LE until several hours after he returned home from a morning errand and noticed his newly arrived child was not home. Oh, also, he took a nap before contacting the police.
6. A dad who refused to speak with the mother after Dylan went missing, for months. He notified her by text that Dylan was missing.
7. A dad who reportedly failed his LE polygraph "miserably".
8. A dad who squirmed out of a taking a second one sponsored by the Dr. Phil show.
9. The child went missing in a remote area where not many people live.
10. No credible sighting of Dylan after he arrived at his dad's has been established.
11.A dad who refused to participate in most search efforts or efforts to find Dylan.
12. A dad who has seemed very flat emotionally and concentrating mostly on bolstering his own character or story and bashing the mother, rather than expressing fear or grief about Dylan and who never took responsibility for the fact or expressing remorse that Dylan disappeared in his custody. This is in contrast to a panicky and tearful mother who has been relentless in her efforts to locate her son.
13. A second son who believes the father could have harmed Dylan.
14. Another ex-wife who believes the father could have harmed Dylan.
15. A dad who casually remarked about the condition of his little boy's remains, on the very day it was revealed that the body had been found.
16. A statement by LE that the community has nothing to fear.
17. Zero evidence that LE chose a suspect and forced the evidence to fit.
:moo:

Well, there you have it. Sold.
 
  • #812
HURLEYRUS---

Just a quick headsup. We are not allowed to post anything from FaceBook here. You'd better delete it before the mods do. :wink:
 
  • #813
If LE had not said some months back that they had a lot of evidence, then I would agree it would seem more possible that someone other than MR could be the perp. But if they had evidence, it could follow that they had a suspect all along and as they never ruled MR out and his was the only home known to be forensically searched, I believe he has been the POI for a long time now. And now, of course, they have more evidence, as they said they needed.

But I also do not believe Dylan would have done anything on Monday morning without texting, if he had been alive to do so. So I can't get past MR for that reason either.
 
  • #814
Hurleys, the mods will not allow a post like that quoting all of FB. If you could just leave a LINK to that convo on FB and that will be sufficient. TKS ! I don't want you to get in trouble.
 
  • #815
Have you seen the picture of Dylan as he is walking into Walmart? IMO, his face says it all. :frown: I bet they argued in the truck about Dylan wanting to go to his friends that night.

I would love to see the rest of that walmart footage!
 
  • #816
HurleysRUS - you can only paraphrase Facebook, you aren't allowed to copy and paste it.

You can direct people where to find it, but you can't copy whole sections like that.

Don't want you to get in trouble!
 
  • #817
We had a very long involved discussion about the redmarks on his arm. FALSE ALARM. It was decided that the crummy resolution creates those red marks, and they are not actually there in reality.

But his face looks very unhappy. My kids didnt like grocery shopping either, but they did like getting the chance to beg for their fave snacks. I would think he could have been a little more upbeat unless he and his dad had already begun arguing.

Thanks for the heads up. Sorry I missed the previous discussion. While I believe that crummy resolution could inject red patches into an image, another possibility is that the arm is actually red, IMO. So, while I would say the tape isn't proof that something had happened to his arm, I think there's a possibility that something physical had already happened, IMO. I hope LE compared his image to footage of other people on the tape to see if that effect was consistent. Possibly LE would be able to find an eyewitness, maybe a cashier, who might remember it if he looked like he seems to look on the tape.
 
  • #818
Thanks for the heads up. Sorry I missed the previous discussion. While I believe that crummy resolution could inject red patches into an image, another possibility is that the arm is actually red, IMO. So, while I would say the tape isn't proof that something had happened to his arm, I think there's a possibility that something physical had already happened, IMO. I hope LE compared his image to footage of other people on the tape to see if that effect was consistent. Possibly LE would be able to find an eyewitness, maybe a cashier, who might remember it if he looked like he seems to look on the tape.

I bet LE was all over that footage. I think that they were able to see the 'tension' between Dylan and his father, and that might have helped them narrow down their focus from the start. JMO
 
  • #819
Does anyone know if Mark had a pre-existing appointment with his attorney that morning, or if he simply stopped by the office? His visits were apparently confirmed by law enforcement, I was just wondering if he had pre-planned them or if he decided to go that morning to help help create a more convincing cover story.

I don't have a msm link for this, but I have read that he did have a pre-existing appt. with the divorce attorney that morning.
 
  • #820
This is my first time posting here so apologies if I am commenting out of turn! I have just watched the first few minutes of the Dr Phil episode and have noticed that MR was talking about Dylan in the past tense, like he knew he was dead....not sure if this has been mentioned before.
 
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