Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[tlcya]

I am looking at the location of Dylan's remains being right there across the way on the middle mountain road from the complete oposite perspective.

IMO if something happened between MR and Dylan that ended with Dylan dead that evening sometime after that last text, then that means this man had hours and hours and hours to dispose of his son's body. This is a man who travels a lot apparently and I assume in his travels he would be aware of many and myriad secluded out of eh way spots to dispose of a body far far from his home before he reported him missing.

So for me, the body being located where it was does not point to MR but rather it would make more sense if MR is the perp for the body to have been deposited somewhere much more distant and not in view of his home.

MOO

I hope whoever is responsible, MR or other is arrested soon and justice can be done for Dylan

 

[Mitsana]

He would not even have to have been an avid texter, but R was texting him by 6:40am asking where he was. IMO, Dylan would have replied upon waking, if he could.

This is my biggest issue too.

Folks here have given me plausible explanations for a few difficulties I've had with MR's story. Here's the biggest 4 stumbling blocks I have left, IMO.

1) Dylan didn't text (or otherwise contact) R when, assuming he woke up late, he was very overdue. This leads me to think that he was already in no condition to text at that point, IMO, and that wouldn't jive with MR's story (cereal bowl, television).
2) Remains were found in the place MR called ridiculous to look. This leads me to think MR was possibly trying to redirect the search, IMO.
3) MR is clearly not willing to take to take another lie detector test, after having not passed the previous one (ambiguous). This leads me to think that he suspects he can't pass one, IMO.
4) As I currently understand it, Dylan is supposed to have left the house, taking his fishing pole and his backpack containing his week's worth of clothes, etc, but no tackle and dressed in shorts/no jacket in late November in the mountains. This leads me to think that the pole was staging by someone who had access to it in the house, IMO.

At times I have some doubt, and I am trying to see other explanations, but looking at all four of these points at once it is hard, IMO.

 

[Mystymiss]

I am like a broken record, I know. But I can't seem to be convinced that Dylan would not have texted that morning, if able. So unless he was kidnapped from his bed, while still asleep, with all of his stuff...I tend to think that he was not alive come Monday morning.

I agree with you. MR could not wake his son that morning the day Dylan vanished!!!! Only God can wake a dead person...

I can't remember MR errands that morning. Can someone who knows this case from the start remind me what they were??

IMO the first errand was to get rid of a dead body...

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think many people who are not "experienced" criminals would have the nerve required to drive a great distance with either a body or a restrained or injured victim in their vehicle. My first thought, if I were so inclined, would be to proceed to the nearest, yet most remote place possible, if I had somehow ended up with a dead relative on my hands.

I do not think the fact that no arrests have been made says much either way at this point. LE is probably still awaiting some forensics (in fact, they may have said as much?).

One thing seems clear to me-LE has said or done nothing to bring Elaine and Cory around from thinking MR is the perp. If they could do so, IMO, they would.

 

[SuziQ]

Was Dylans' fishing pole missing? This is jmo, but we all parent differently and have different thresholds for worrying. Depending on the child, and the geographical area where we live. I also live in a rural mountain community surrounded by State & National forests. It is not unusual for one of my gchildren to go for an 8 or 10 mile hike, or grab a fly rod or fishing pole and be gone for hours or longer..

Doubtful the father would bury or dispose of Dylans' remains near his cabin. This would be an obvious red flag of suspicion..

BBM. My kids grew up in an area like that. They did go on adventures with their friends. Pre-planned with others and rarely that far. 8 or 10 miles is a long way. There is no one, no one, that will convince me that a boy that age would choose to suddenly decide to do that. I know others here have posted that they have adventurous kids that would do that, but did they? I doubt it. If any kid decided to do that he would have ended up on the evening news with a search party looking for them. Get serious, get into your car and drive 8 miles and see how long that is. Now imagine that on trails that are not groomed. I don't buy it and neither does LE.

 

[Ronso]

NOBODY I knew in middle/high school would EVER hike 8-10 miles in rough terrain. NOBODY. I don't care how athletic they were. I walked 6 miles once into town, and whenever I was in town I walked everywhere because as a teen, I didn't have the luxury of a drivers license and my own car... and that six mile walk, on CONCRETE was horrible. I don't buy it either.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Pffft! Now the story is that Elaine muttered out of her car window and she didn’t shout out the word “murderer”. (I would have done something much worse.) Hmm. I suspect no one else heard Elaine say that, so Mark changed his story.


http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/06/29/dylan-redwine-case-casts-ugly-spotlight-on-his-parents/

muttered past participle, past tense of mut·ter (Verb)
-Say something in a low or barely audible voice, esp. in dissatisfaction or irritation.

Exactly! I did listen to Tricia's special show very late at night, so my memory may not serve. But I thought Raine said the MR told her that Elaine shouted murderer and made a gesture. Raine (I thought) said a reporter was going up to MR's door when it happened. Wondering if this was confirmed or a story told to her by MR. So that is a second version.

Then there is this one: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...edwine-remains-found-middle-mountain-colorado

We are to believe that Elaine was riding all over town after receiving devastating news and shouting out the window at MR? IMO this is simply bashing Elaine on MR's part. It is not the first unlikely story that changed versions with time. Just do not believe one word of it. (my opinion only)

 

[katydid23]

I think that the facts we have could fit very well with a local person who Dylan knew at least by sight and who knew the area very well.

I have no problem thinking a visitor to the area could see a road going up a mountainside and find their way up there in full daylight just as well as a local. Especially since the road shows on Rand McNally maps as well as all these maps the RV parks and cabin places have on their websites. It's not like the mountain is hidden. And regardless of how the site matches up to MRs house, a good place to hide is a good place to hide. Again, in full daylight, no reason why a person couldn't find that ravine without prior knowledge and think, here's a good place where he will not be found.

And, unlike MR, a perp would need to find a secluded location where he could do whatever he wanted to do. It's possible that someone would head up that mountain specifically to find seclusion. There are lots of ATV trails that branch off that road, from what I can tell.

If I had the body of a dead child in my vehicle, I would not want to go 'exploring' unknown dirt roads, where there was only one way out and one way in. What if you see someone on the road ?

I would drive out of the immediate area.

Besides, if Dylan was kidnapped right there in front of his dad's, did the killer then just immediately KILL him and then drive up into the wilderness, right there, and dump him? That does not fit with the usual serial killer MO, imo.

 

[katydid23]

BBM. My kids grew up in an area like that. They did go on adventures with their friends. Pre-planned with others and rarely that far. 8 or 10 miles is a long way. There is no one, no one, that will convince me that a boy that age would choose to suddenly decide to do that. I know others here have posted that they have adventurous kids that would do that, but did they? I doubt it. If any kid decided to do that he would have ended up on the evening news with a search party looking for them. Get serious, get into your car and drive 8 miles and see how long that is. Now imagine that on trails that are not groomed. I don't buy it and neither does LE.

And that area has dangerous wildlife so the searchers were all armed. Why would a 13 yr old, all alone and unarmed, be out traipsing alone up the side of a cliff?

I could believe he would try to walk to his friend , Tristan's, but not without texting or calling him to make sure he was around.

But after reading the texts from Sunday, I am CONVINCED he was eager to get to Ryans house. No way he went hiking alone in the wilderness.

 

[cluciano63]

NOBODY I knew in middle/high school would EVER hike 8-10 miles in rough terrain. NOBODY. I don't care how athletic they were. I walked 6 miles once into town, and whenever I was in town I walked everywhere because as a teen, I didn't have the luxury of a drivers license and my own car... and that six mile walk, on CONCRETE was horrible. I don't buy it either.

Honestly, the very idea that Dylan would set out on foot with his belongings and walk miles and miles is ludicrous, IMO. No one other than MR has suggested he would be likely to do this, in fact some people indicated he was more apt to be "lazy" if anything. Even the 5.7 miles or whatever it was, to the nearest friend's house is not a "walking distance" for most teens. Maybe if he was an avid runner...

 

[sayd]

In light of finding the remains I decided to listen to Dr. Phil's show with the parents. On Youtube I found part 1 and part 2. Oh brother....

I suspect the La Plata Sheriff's Department has watched it a few times too.

 

[vasportsmom]

Honestly, the very idea that Dylan would set out on foot with his belongings and walk miles and miles is ludicrous, IMO. No one other than MR has suggested he would be likely to do this, in fact some people indicated he was more apt to be "lazy" if anything. Even the 5.7 miles or whatever it was, to the nearest friend's house is not a "walking distance" for most teens. Maybe if he was an avid runner...

I agree. I have one of those "lazy" 12 year old boys and he would be more likely to try and order an UFO off EBay than set off on a 5-10 mile hike.

 

[Ausgirl]

The real clinching issue for me, re Dylan walking off up the mountain alone (with ALL his belongings? and the handy dandy fishing pole) is that he was so eager to go and see his friends the next day.

Why on earth would he decide to go fishing/hiking on his own rather than go see those friends he was so excited to see?

It's not very feasible, in my mind.

If he had arranged to go -fishing- with his pals the next morning, yeah, maybe he did wander up the road with his fishing pole and all his belongings (like he planned to stay there?) and was picked up a pedo/serial killer/whoever.. before texting/contacting/speaking to ANYONE at all, despite multiple outlets for him to do so being available..

But again, I just do not think so.


I'm only stuck on the fishing pole -- because Dylan's father SAID it was missing right after Dylan vanished. It was an event of such "note" - while his son was out there, apparently missing - that he openly stated several times that the pole was gone.

Which, IMOOJMOetcetc, makes everything that little bit more hinky.

 

[Foxfire]

I empathize with posters that have been here since Dylan vanished. As in every case where a child goes missing, and lord knows there are way too many. We all hope and pray for a happy ending. When the opposite occurs, as it often does. Tragic reality sets in, emotions run very high, and the need for Justice for the innocent victim and their family is our only concern.
With that said, as have many of the posters on websleuths, I have followed, and am following many abductions, both child and adult.. I respect and honor all opinions, even when I disagree, and expect the same respect from others..
'Alone we can do little, together we can accomplish anything'...Quote: Helen Keller

As I read through this thread, the Amber Dubois tragic abduction comes to mind.

48 Hours Mystery The Amber Dubois Story
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-37Kic_Yupc"]48 Hours Mystery The Amber Dubois Story - YouTube[/ame]

 

[SCHMAE]

Random thoughts ahead...
This deputy that was arrested on child from LP County.... didnt' he have a fairly LOW bond amount and we were like WOW WTH is up with that low bond? I've wondered about him in regards to Dylan. Obviously he himself is not involved but he had to sell or buy from someone and I wondered if part of his low bond was not in exchange for telling LE about some bigger fish in the same area that may have been into more than . ( lets face it anyone into child is also into.........given enough time and opportunity , right? ) So I wondered about that.
Also , to anyone who has re watched Phil shows in the last 2 days did ER say something to the effect of " I dont want dylan out there in the mountainside ? or even possibly scattered on the mountainside' ? I cannot remember her exact wording but I remember the exchange and how she had a hard time finding her words and eventually just sort of blurted it out like that. At the time I assumed she was struggling because the content was so terrible and NOW I wonder if she didn't already know what Dylan's fate was and was told by LE to not mention it and she found a way to say it without saying it . ( super sorry if that made no sense )
Lastly, I wonder if an arrest will be made after a burial . MR has not fled town yet, why would LE think he will now. Guilty or not, he really does like a little spotlight on him , I think. Thoughts?

 

[katydid23]

The real clinching issue for me, re Dylan walking off up the mountain alone (with ALL his belongings? and the handy dandy fishing pole) is that he was so eager to go and see his friends the next day.

Why on earth would he decide to go fishing/hiking on his own rather than go see those friends he was so excited to see?

It's not very feasible, in my mind.

If he had arranged to go -fishing- with his pals the next morning, yeah, maybe he did wander up the road with his fishing pole and all his belongings (like he planned to stay there?) and was picked up a pedo/serial killer/whoever..

But again, I just do not think so.


I'm only stuck on the fishing pole -- because Dylan's father SAID it was missing right after Dylan vanished. It was an event of such "note" - while his son was out there, apparently missing - that he openly stated several times that the pole was gone.

Which, IMOOJMOetcetc, makes everything that little bit more hinky.

I agree that he MIGHT have become impatient and wandered down the road to wait for his dad to go to his friends. But in that instance, imo, he would have replied to his friends texts that were asking " hey Bro, where r u?' I think he would have sent a text saying he was on the way, or whatever. Or answered his dad's supposed texts.

Imo, Mark's story about texting Dylan and asking what he wanted for Thanksgiving dinner was super hinky. Anyone with a 13 yr old boy would know, that id the kid was sitting and waiting for a ride to his good friends house, and he received a text from 'his ride' that said what do you want for thanksgiving dinner, he would have replied with something like " R U serious?'

 

[katydid23]

Random thoughts ahead...
This deputy that was arrested on child from LP County.... didnt' he have a fairly LOW bond amount and we were like WOW WTH is up with that low bond? I've wondered about him in regards to Dylan. Obviously he himself is not involved but he had to sell or buy from someone and I wondered if part of his low bond was not in exchange for telling LE about some bigger fish in the same area that may have been into more than . ( lets face it anyone into child is also into.........given enough time and opportunity , right? ) So I wondered about that.
Also , to anyone who has re watched Phil shows in the last 2 days did ER say something to the effect of " I dont want dylan out there in the mountainside ? or even possibly scattered on the mountainside' ? I cannot remember her exact wording but I remember the exchange and how she had a hard time finding her words and eventually just sort of blurted it out like that. At the time I assumed she was struggling because the content was so terrible and NOW I wonder if she didn't already know what Dylan's fate was and was told by LE to not mention it and she found a way to say it without saying it . ( super sorry if that made no sense )
Lastly, I wonder if an arrest will be made after a burial . MR has not fled town yet, why would LE think he will now. Guilty or not, he really does like a little spotlight on him , I think. Thoughts?

Also, Mark said something very revealing on the second episode. He said that being asked or pressured to take the poly was like ' BEING PUSHED OFF A CLIFF.' :frown: I call that leakage.

 

[cluciano63]

Random thoughts ahead...
This deputy that was arrested on child from LP County.... didnt' he have a fairly LOW bond amount and we were like WOW WTH is up with that low bond? I've wondered about him in regards to Dylan. Obviously he himself is not involved but he had to sell or buy from someone and I wondered if part of his low bond was not in exchange for telling LE about some bigger fish in the same area that may have been into more than . ( lets face it anyone into child is also into.........given enough time and opportunity , right? ) So I wondered about that.
Also , to anyone who has re watched Phil shows in the last 2 days did ER say something to the effect of " I dont want dylan out there in the mountainside ? or even possibly scattered on the mountainside' ? I cannot remember her exact wording but I remember the exchange and how she had a hard time finding her words and eventually just sort of blurted it out like that. At the time I assumed she was struggling because the content was so terrible and NOW I wonder if she didn't already know what Dylan's fate was and was told by LE to not mention it and she found a way to say it without saying it . ( super sorry if that made no sense )
Lastly, I wonder if an arrest will be made after a burial . MR has not fled town yet, why would LE think he will now. Guilty or not, he really does like a little spotlight on him , I think. Thoughts?

I think Elaine was just speaking her worst nightmare...the idea of his bones being out there in the mountains. It is horrible that she was exactly right, but no more, IMO. And MR just smirking away at her. Nothing touched him, not even the image of his child's bones out in the woods.

 

[HurleysRUs]

Has Mark ever said "I did NOT do it"? I have found many deflected statements but not a flat denial.

If Mark Redwine is unable or unwilling to say he did not harm Dylan, I can not think to defend him. So if you know of a straight denial please let me know

 

[katydid23]

Has Mark ever said "I did NOT do it"? I have found many deflected statements but not a flat denial.

If Mark Redwine is unable or unwilling to say he did not harm Dylan, I can not think to defend him. So if you know of a straight denial please let me know

He didnt for quite awhile. Then he was called out on a popular Statement Analysis blogsite, and his next interview was 'cleaned up' somewhat. But lots of leakage still came through, imo.