Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[oceanblueeyes]

Great post! One problem here, I think, is so many are sure MR did it that everything is being made to fit into that theory instead of looked at neutrally.It's all fantastic to say "oh that's weird, he should be doing this and that" but people are different and react in different ways. It could be that MR is literally in a world of his own as you say, but it could also be his way of dealing with this, particularly as he knows everyone thinks he done it.

I remember the murder of Joanna Yeates here in England. Her landlord was arrested for her murder and everyone was certain he did it (he did look pretty creepy). Once that happened a lot of people didn't consider anyone else and so facts were looked at in context with the landlord instead of as standalone details. It turned out it wasn't the landlord and his life was turned upside down.
My point is I'm worried everyone's eggs are going into the same basket, so to speak, and if it's proven MR did not kill Dylan then a lot of damage has been caused to him.

All my opinion - also to note I'm not saying here that MR didn't do it (I'm on the fence) and that I fully appreciate he is an odd character and his actions are weird but I have a feeling LE know more than they are letting on about him and must have some info which makes them fairly sure he is not a suspect. Just my :twocents:, feel free to pick me apart

BBM I actually agree with you. The important thing is I don't think LE is putting all their eggs in one basket.

I have seen the same thing happen several times in other missing children cases before an arrest has been made. People were just as 100% positively sure about who they thought did it as the majority are in this case. Those family members turned out to be innocent and everyone thought they were creepy and suspicious too. The child or children though in several high profile cases turned out to be kidnapped and murdered by a stranger or a non-family member.

What has struck me from the beginning once LE ruled runaway out is they have consistently thought that this was a kidnapping. I still feel it could be and it turned into murder to make sure the victim was silenced.

So until LE comes out and says they have arrested the actual suspect my mind is still open. I don't want just anyone to pay for what has been done to this precious child.........I want true justice for Dylan and that can only happen if the real suspect is arrested and convicted.

If it turns out to be MR then so be it.........let him rot but if it is not........then I hope and pray whoever did this to Dylan is caught, convicted and punished severely. I don't know if this state has the death penalty but if they do the murdering b*stard (whoever they are) deserves no less.

LE not coming out and putting the community on high alert means nothing to me. LE never came out not once in the Lunsford case nor the Greone case and told the community there was a predator on the loose.

Their objective is to keep the community calm. Plus it is extremely rare for a predator to hang around and strike again in the same area and LE knows that.

IMO

 

[Rougelatete]

I agree with you. MR could not wake his son that morning the day Dylan vanished!!!! Only God can wake a dead person...

People have a way of speaking the truth, even when they don't mean to. It bubbles to the surface despite one's defenses. I wonder if this was MR's subconscious way of telling us what actually happened? Perhaps Dylan really couldn't be roused on Sunday morning -- really, truly couldn't be woken because he was deceased. Did MR's words betray him?

 

[ColdHands]

Has Mark ever said "I did NOT do it"? I have found many deflected statements but not a flat denial.

If Mark Redwine is unable or unwilling to say he did not harm Dylan, I can not think to defend him. So if you know of a straight denial please let me know

From the MB uncut interview transcript here on WS: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8813297&postcount=79"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*[/ame]

Melissa Blasius: Did you have anything whatsoever to do with Dylan’s disappearance?

Mark Redwine: Absolutely not. I would never do anything to harm that boy.

From Day 1 of the Dr Phil show, transcript here on WS:[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8944123&postcount=94"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*[/ame]

ER: Did you hurt him?

MR: No, Elaine!! I wouldn’t hurt him… what kind of mother are you to even think that I was capable of doing something like that?

 

[mom23gr8kids]

I haven't been in on this case from the beginning so I've been catching up since the discovery this week.

I will say the thing that keeps coming into my mind is that this could likely be what most of us feared after the CA trial. It seems this could be a case of a parent who for whatever reasons causes harm to their child then finds a hiding place; deflects with statements and wild goose chases until the weather makes the area unsearchable. Now that it is more searchable the remains are found and could this person believe that they too like CA will never be convicted because too much time and damage have occurred to the remains to ever prove anything?

This is all JMO. But all these things make me see similarities. If it turns out that the father is involved I will truly feel he used the CA trial as a way to get away with it. IMOO

 

[katydid23]

From the MB uncut interview transcript here on WS: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*


Has Mark ever said "I did NOT do it"? I have found many deflected statements but not a flat denial.

If Mark Redwine is unable or unwilling to say he did not harm Dylan, I can not think to defend him. So if you know of a straight denial please let me know
From the MB uncut interview transcript here on WS: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*
Quote:
Melissa Blasius: Did you have anything whatsoever to do with Dylan’s disappearance?

Mark Redwine: Absolutely not. I would never do anything to harm that boy.
From Day 1 of the Dr Phil show, transcript here on WS: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*
Quote:
ER: Did you hurt him?

MR: No, Elaine!! I wouldn’t hurt him… what kind of mother are you to even think that I was capable of doing something like that?

From Day 1 of the Dr Phil show, transcript here on WS:Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*

Those are not straight flat out denials. " I would never do anything to harm that boy" is chock full of RED FLAG alerts, imo.

 

[ColdHands]

Those are not straight flat out denials. " I would never do anything to harm that boy" is chock full of RED FLAG alerts, imo.

But what about the word No. That seems like a denial.

 

[Rougelatete]

From the MB uncut interview transcript here on WS: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*
Quote:

Melissa Blasius: Did you have anything whatsoever to do with Dylan’s disappearance?
Mark Redwine: Absolutely not. I would never do anything to harm that boy.

From Day 1 of the Dr Phil show, transcript here on WS: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*
Quote:

ER: Did you hurt him?
MR: No, Elaine!! I wouldn’t hurt him… what kind of mother are you to even think that I was capable of doing something like that?

JMO but all I see is MR stating that he would never harm or hurt Dylan. Perhaps he doesn't think he caused Dylan any pain -- that it was quick and over. But, I don't see him outright stating that he never killed Dylan. Is that anywhere? I also see MR deflecting blame from himself onto Elaine ("what kind of mother are you?") so that she becomes the focus of his response, not himself or Dylan.

 

[ColdHands]

JMO but all I see is MR stating that he would never harm or hurt Dylan. Perhaps he doesn't think he caused Dylan any pain -- that it was quick and over. But, I don't see him outright stating that he never killed Dylan. Is that anywhere? I also see MR deflecting blame from himself onto Elaine ("what kind of mother are you?") so that she becomes the focus of his response, not himself or Dylan.

I don't think anyone's ever asked him publically if he killed Dylan.

 

[cluciano63]

Due to the locale where Dylan was found, I doubt the perp is a stranger to the area, which if true, means he may well reside there and be a continuing threat to others. I really hate when LE indicates that they do not believe the community is in danger, when whoever committed the murder is still free (presumably). Anyone who could kill a child is a danger to everyone, including pets, IMO. Even watching a suspect is not enough to prevent harm, unless they are doing so around the clock. If they have a suspect who is not dead or incarcerated, I hope they are doing so.

But if it's not Mark...I wish they would hint as much to Elaine and Cory, for their own sakes. How much worse it must be for her to feel she sent her child off to be murdered by his father, even worse than if a stranger had done so.

 

[katydid23]

But what about the word No. That seems like a denial.

It is a denial, but is it truthful?

 

[kkdj]

I empathize with posters that have been here since Dylan vanished. As in every case where a child goes missing, and lord knows there are way too many. We all hope and pray for a happy ending. When the opposite occurs, as it often does. Tragic reality sets in, emotions run very high, and the need for Justice for the innocent victim and their family is our only concern.
With that said, as have many of the posters on websleuths, I have followed, and am following many abductions, both child and adult.. I respect and honor all opinions, even when I disagree, and expect the same respect from others..
'Alone we can do little, together we can accomplish anything'...Quote: Helen Keller

As I read through this thread, the Amber Dubois tragic abduction comes to mind.

48 Hours Mystery The Amber Dubois Story
48 Hours Mystery The Amber Dubois Story - YouTube

Hi Foxfire! So glad you have joined us here! I remember you as being a wealth of knowledge and care on the Mickey Shunick threads!
I look forward to reading your posts and opinions!

 

[Ghostwheel]

I agree that he MIGHT have become impatient and wandered down the road to wait for his dad to go to his friends. But in that instance, imo, he would have replied to his friends texts that were asking " hey Bro, where r u?' I think he would have sent a text saying he was on the way, or whatever. Or answered his dad's supposed texts.

Imo, Mark's story about texting Dylan and asking what he wanted for Thanksgiving dinner was super hinky. Anyone with a 13 yr old boy would know, that id the kid was sitting and waiting for a ride to his good friends house, and he received a text from 'his ride' that said what do you want for thanksgiving dinner, he would have replied with something like " R U serious?'

BBM: That is right on the money for both of my kids. Myself, too for that matter.

 

[HurleysRUs]

From the MB uncut interview transcript here on WS: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*



From Day 1 of the Dr Phil show, transcript here on WS:Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*

Would never makes it a hypothetical, not a true denial.

ER: Did you hurt him?
MR: No, Elaine!! I wouldn’t hurt him… what kind of mother are you to even think that I was capable of doing something like that?... Is closer to a denial however wouldn't is not the absolute and the personal attack that follows minimizes the already weak denial

 

[jjenny]

NOBODY I knew in middle/high school would EVER hike 8-10 miles in rough terrain. NOBODY. I don't care how athletic they were. I walked 6 miles once into town, and whenever I was in town I walked everywhere because as a teen, I didn't have the luxury of a drivers license and my own car... and that six mile walk, on CONCRETE was horrible. I don't buy it either.

And Dylan wanted to see his friends. Not go hiking in the mountains by himself.
I think it's rather obvious somebody took his body and dumped it there. Likely knowing full well that this road becomes not accessible during winter. And by the time body could be found next year nothing but bones will be left.

 

[Ghostwheel]

But what about the word No. That seems like a denial.

For me, because of the tone and body language, he says "No, Elaine!" as in "No, don't say that." That he follows up with "what kind of mother are you to even think that I was capable of doing something like that?" cements that for me. No where in there did I hear " I didn't hurt Dylan". Only that he wouldn't. That means in the future. It's how I heard it/saw it. MOO

 

[caffeinejean]

Its not looking good for him, he was the last person to see Dylan, all the circumstantial evidence points to him, even his own behaviour and statements points to him! And if the 'Find DR Facebook' page is anything to go by, he's already been tried and convicted. But I guess until he is officially named as a suspect or charged, I'll still give him the benefit of the doubt - innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Respectfully SNIPPED BY ME

The other things that allows me to have that 1% of doubt is the fact that if something did happen to DR around 8pm on the Sunday, then why would MR only hide him 10 miles away, when he had all night to drive him somewhere he'd never be found? Yes he knew the weather would prevent searches, but the snow and ice would eventually melt. People say that he had all night to plan this and tidy up (and so far we've not heard of any forensic evidence turning up) but if that is the case, why is his actual story so rubbish and unbelievable.

BBM
IMO the main reason he didn't take him much farther than 10 miles is because he is a lazy <modsnip>. I've thought all along, if deceased, Dylan would be close in the area either in the lake or up middle mountain. He planned this out, again knowing a gate would be closed or the road impassible for some time, and probably as an after thought planted the fishing pole near the lake. There is no way this lazy man would hike and carry or drive very far without worrying about himself. After all, he's a heavy drinker and smoker and he gets so overwhelmed. What would be the easiest and fastest, push DR off a cliff in a desolate area that is covered in snow for the winter, clean your house, run some errands, maybe run the car through the wash, and pour a stiff one and have a nap.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I haven't been in on this case from the beginning so I've been catching up since the discovery this week.

I will say the thing that keeps coming into my mind is that this could likely be what most of us feared after the CA trial. It seems this could be a case of a parent who for whatever reasons causes harm to their child then finds a hiding place; deflects with statements and wild goose chases until the weather makes the area unsearchable. Now that it is more searchable the remains are found and could this person believe that they too like CA will never be convicted because too much time and damage have occurred to the remains to ever prove anything?

This is all JMO. But all these things make me see similarities. If it turns out that the father is involved I will truly feel he used the CA trial as a way to get away with it. IMOO

Casey didn't invent the concept of killing someone and hiding the body. Her actions didn't happen in a vacuum either. Back when we all thought Casey was going to Death Row, Hailey Dunn, Haleigh Cummings, and Kyron Horman were all killed (most likely) by a family member, and their bodies were dumped somewhere. Their killers didn't "hide the body and lie" because of Casey, because everyone thought Casey was going to be convicted at that point.

Most missing child cases on WS have not gone to trial besides LE doesn't have a body. If Mark did it, what else was he going to do besides hide the body and lie? I don't see how Casey's acquittal made a difference in his actions. So basically what I am saying is, I don't think Mark's actions would be different, nor the actions of LE up to this point, if Casey had been convicted.

 

[gitana1]

I empathize with posters that have been here since Dylan vanished. As in every case where a child goes missing, and lord knows there are way too many. We all hope and pray for a happy ending. When the opposite occurs, as it often does. Tragic reality sets in, emotions run very high, and the need for Justice for the innocent victim and their family is our only concern.
With that said, as have many of the posters on websleuths, I have followed, and am following many abductions, both child and adult.. I respect and honor all opinions, even when I disagree, and expect the same respect from others..
'Alone we can do little, together we can accomplish anything'...Quote: Helen Keller

As I read through this thread, the Amber Dubois tragic abduction comes to mind.

48 Hours Mystery The Amber Dubois Story
48 Hours Mystery The Amber Dubois Story - YouTube

I have not followed this case closely. I am not entrenched. I never gave this case the attention Dylan deserved. So my emotions are not high at all.

But I have been trained to assess the facts of a case rapidly and efficiently and see how the facts can be argued to fit the law and how to determine the credibility and logic of a story.

I did that here.

Ambers case happened close to where I live so I'm very familiar with it.

I see no resemblance between the two cases.

 

[OEJ]

Hinky Meter's been going off since day one. I've never believed the dad. He's just not believable. The only hope I had for Dylan was that he was being held captive somewhere since the mail carrier said he may have seen Dylan on the road that day, but that fell through. What other feasible alternative could there have been? The kid was an avid texter and wanted to see his friends. No way he went off walking for miles to see his friend without texting or telling anyone. The whole thing just makes me sick. A complete and total waste and loss of a precious life, and for what?

 

[katydid23]

bbm
imo the main reason he didn't take him much farther than 10 miles is because he is a lazy <modsnip>. I've thought all along, if deceased, dylan would be close in the area either in the lake or up middle mountain. He planned this out, again knowing a gate would be closed or the road impassible for some time, and probably as an after thought planted the fishing pole near the lake. There is no way this lazy man would hike and carry or drive very far without worrying about himself. After all, he's a heavy drinker and smoker and he gets so overwhelmed. What would be the easiest and fastest, push dr off a cliff in a desolate area that is covered in snow for the winter, clean your house, run some errands, maybe run the car through the wash, and pour a stiff one and have a nap.

I call BINGO.