Dylan Redwine Case Discussion Thread/Dylan's Remains Found

[Foxfire]

You mean not "take a nap"? (Sorry, I'm a little punchy tonight.) Seriously, though, I'd think the same thing if my son's backpack were sitting there. And I'd go out and look immediately. But I'm not a fisherman. For any fishermen out there, if you came home to take your child to a place you had promised them you'd take them, and they were not there, but their fishing pole was missing, would you look immediately, or wait and see if they turn up in, say, three or four hours, with a passle of fish? Which brings to mind, is fishing good in November?

Ghostwheel, I'm your man..Wife of 25 years divorced me for fishing too much.. Seriously, and it was before the fishin song by Brad Paisley....'Yes the fishing is great 12 months out of the year"..
"I'd have the skillet hot, Ghostwheel "...

 

[Ghostwheel]

Ghostwheel, I'm your man..Wife of 25 years divorced me for fishing too much.. Seriously, and it was before the fishin song by Brad Paisley....'Yes the fishing is great 12 months out of the year"..
"I'd have the skillet hot, Ghostwheel "...

'Gone Fishin'..

Brad Paisley I'm Gonna Miss Her - lyrics - - YouTube

I'd heard people who fish like to hang out with their rods and reels for long periods of time. So then, hypothetically, knowing someone was waiting around four hours on you to take them somewhere, you arrive home and they are not there. But you also see a fishing pole missing. Do you go down to the lake and check on them (or maybe join them), or wait and see if they return? And how long would you wait?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am bringing this post over from the closed thread so I can reply.

Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
BBM I actually agree with you. The important thing is I don't think LE is putting all their eggs in one basket.

I have seen the same thing happen several times in other missing children cases before an arrest has been made. People were just as 100% positively sure about who they thought did it as the majority are in this case. Those family members turned out to be innocent and everyone thought they were creepy and suspicious too. The child or children though in several high profile cases turned out to be kidnapped and murdered by a stranger or a non-family member.

What has struck me from the beginning once LE ruled runaway out is they have consistently thought that this was a kidnapping. I still feel it could be and it turned into murder to make sure the victim was silenced.

So until LE comes out and says they have arrested the actual suspect my mind is still open. I don't want just anyone to pay for what has been done to this precious child.........I want true justice for Dylan and that can only happen if the real suspect is arrested and convicted.

If it turns out to be MR then so be it.........let him rot but if it is not........then I hope and pray whoever did this to Dylan is caught, convicted and punished severely. I don't know if this state has the death penalty but if they do the murdering b*stard (whoever they are) deserves no less.

LE not coming out and putting the community on high alert means nothing to me. LE never came out not once in the Lunsford case nor the Greone case and told the community there was a predator on the loose.

Their objective is to keep the community calm. Plus it is extremely rare for a predator to hang around and strike again in the same area and LE knows that.

IMO

Posted by Ghostwheel

Do you mean predator in general or child predator? Because I don't agree with that. John Albert Gardiner comes to mind. As does the green river killer, BTK, Roger Kibbe, Anthony Sowell, Joseph Harwell, Ted Bundy... I could go on.

I was not talking about serial killers and I have no evidence that LE is even thinking this is a work of a serial killer. Serial killers can often be nomadic too though. That is one of the reasons they are hard to catch and will do many murders before and if that ever happens.

I am talking about children who were kidnapped and later found murdered where the suspect turned out to be a stranger or wasn't one of the parents. Couey had never kidnapped and murdered another child in her area. Even Joseph Duncan traveled out of state to kidnap the Greone children in Idaho and did not remain in the area. The man that murdered Somer Thompson moved once he had killed her. LE did not warn the community when Carlie Brucia was taken by Joe Smith. Not once in any of those cases was the community warned that a predator had a child in their community. Only when an arrest was finally made did we know then the perpetrator was a stranger predator.

A side note. The distance from Mark's home to where Dylan was found does not convince me that the perp is the father either. Jessica Lunsford was found right across the street from where she lived. Samantha Runion's remains were found 7-8 miles from where AA kidnapped her.

Usually a stranger predator/murderer of children wants to discard the body in a remote area quickly after the murder. Imo, most tend to leave them above ground as they have no emotional attachment to the child. Just like AA left Samantha's body above ground. Just like Somer Thompson's killer discarded her little body in the trash dumpster and her remains were found far away in Georgia in the landfill because he quickly threw her body away in the trash.

In fact I read an article about parents who murder their children and the trends that are seen. Mothers seem to swaddle the child (blanket or clothing) and deposit them close to where they went missing. They often submerge the child in some type of water or near a water area.

Bio fathers tend to go great distances with the child's body often hundreds of miles and will throw the bodies out in a dense remote area. They also tend to bury the child more often. Probably due to the male having more strength to dig the grave.

Just speculating of course but it seems most fathers who murder their own never want the child or children to be found.

IMO

 

[paris_paris]

Just some random thoughts I had through the night...

I spent some time thinking to myself... what if LE arrests someone for this crime and it's not MR? What would my thoughts about MR be if I knew he did not do it.

MR said the fishing pole was gone... that it always stood right behind the TV. Cory called bs on that... said the fishing poles were always in the garage. Why would Mark say it was behind the TV? Other than that would mean he noticed it missing right away when he walked in the house.

All of Dylan's things were gone from the house. I've always wondered if Dylan's backpack even made it into the house. I could see Dylan just leaving it in the truck thinking he could still convince MR to take him to see his friend. Or... do we know for sure that Dylan ever went in the house? Besides the cereal bowl that MR pointed out days later.

 

[ColdHands]

Durango Herald report on last night's vigil.
http://durangoherald.com/article/20130629/NEWS01/130629447/‘He-was-an-amazing-person’-

 

[Salem]

I have tried to find out that too, and if any pillows, sheets, blankets or any bedding was taken by LE from MR's couch, either for analysis, or for Dylan's scent for the SAR dogs. TIA

there is a thread for the information that was released by way of the search warrant right here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210303"]Search Warrants for MR's house and vehicles - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

It gives some of the information that was taken. It does not tell us if dogs were used at MR's house during the big search.

Salem

 

[SCHMAE]

Broken


http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130629/NEWS01/130629447/‘He-was-an-amazing-person’

 

[BeccaMN]

I agree with what Dr. Phil said 100%. If MR did'nt do it, there is something really wrong with him.

 

[cluciano63]

I agree with what Dr. Phil said 100%. If MR did'nt do it, there is something really wrong with him.

If he did do it, there is certainly something wrong with him as well.
But yes, if innocent, his behavior has been incomprehensible, IMO. He has been so oddly detached much of the time, discussing Dylan, if at all, in a very remote kind of way. I have only seen any "spark" from him when getting in digs at Elaine.

 

[Tulessa]

Did MR attend the vigil??

 

[Mitsana]

MR said the fishing pole was gone... that it always stood right behind the TV. Cory called bs on that... said the fishing poles were always in the garage. Why would Mark say it was behind the TV? Other than that would mean he noticed it missing right away when he walked in the house.

All of Dylan's things were gone from the house. I've always wondered if Dylan's backpack even made it into the house. I could see Dylan just leaving it in the truck thinking he could still convince MR to take him to see his friend. Or... do we know for sure that Dylan ever went in the house? Besides the cereal bowl that MR pointed out days later.

That is probably the point Cory was trying to make. While Cory probably has no recent knowledge of where the pole was stored, the whole fishing pole + backpack + shorts + November - tackle - coat thing never added up for me.

I truly don't understand why the backpack is missing. Assuming MR is not the culprit, why would Dylan take *all* his stuff. If MR is the culprit, why wouldn't he just bring the pack inside? I'd love to hear from anyone with a great explanation for this.

 

[Steely Dan]

If this bothers people I really don't care. I have a sense that the father may be telling the truth here. There isn't any solid evidence to the contrary. AFAIK, his story has been the same all along. I think people should back off on the dad until he's formally charged.

Look at Jacy Dugard. Everybody believed it was the stepfather who took her, and then it turned out that it wasn't him. It could have been a family friend or something else. If I'm wrong I'll admit it when the time comes, but I'm not gonna jump to conclusions here. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

That is probably the point Cory was trying to make. While Cory probably has no recent knowledge of where the pole was stored, the whole fishing pole + backpack + shorts + November - tackle - coat thing never added up for me.

I truly don't understand why the backpack is missing. Assuming MR is not the culprit, why would Dylan take *all* his stuff. If MR is the culprit, why wouldn't he just bring the pack inside? I'd love to hear from anyone with a great explanation for this.

I don't know why the backpack would be removed, but as no reason makes any sense to me, as I posted last night, taking it away from the house may turn out to be a mistake, if MR did it.

 

[catswhiskers]

I empathize with posters that have been here since Dylan vanished. As in every case where a child goes missing, and lord knows there are way too many. We all hope and pray for a happy ending. When the opposite occurs, as it often does. Tragic reality sets in, emotions run very high, and the need for Justice for the innocent victim and their family is our only concern.
With that said, as have many of the posters on websleuths, I have followed, and am following many abductions, both child and adult.. I respect and honor all opinions, even when I disagree, and expect the same respect from others..
'Alone we can do little, together we can accomplish anything'...Quote: Helen Keller

As I read through this thread, the Amber Dubois tragic abduction comes to mind.

48 Hours Mystery The Amber Dubois Story
48 Hours Mystery The Amber Dubois Story - YouTube

Thanks for posting that link Foxfire - I had watched this some time ago and just had a second look tonight. Quite a few parallels to be drawn there, and it was well worth viewing again.

 

[jjenny]

If this bothers people I really don't care. I have a sense that the father may be telling the truth here. There isn't any solid evidence to the contrary. AFAIK, his story has been the same all along. I think people should back off on the dad until he's formally charged.

Look at Jacy Dugard. Everybody believed it was the stepfather who took her, and then it turned out that it wasn't him. It could have been a family friend or something else. If I'm wrong I'll admit it when the time comes, but I'm not gonna jump to conclusions here. JMO

I don't know who that everybody is. There were other witnesses to Jacy's abduction in addition to step father, as I recall.

 

[gitana1]

No resemblance, huh? gitanal, I would think that with your specialized training. You would have caught the synonymous parallelism of the father being the obvious suspect of the mother when a child goes missing at the hands of a stranger..
Just finished listening to WS radio interview with CR and watching Dr Phil #1 Dylan Redwine - Interesting at how many times Dr Phil uses the word 'I' in a segment...

Pretty much every case of a missing child that involves a dad has the dad as a suspect at some point. That factor does not make the cases similarly distinct.

But you said this case reminds you of Amber's case because it similarly involves a father as a suspect when a stranger was to blame. I'm quite certain that LE has not indicated a stranger was involved in this case. In fact, the most that can be gleaned by LE's statements that remotely points away from the family would tend to suggest a runaway scenario involving an accident of some sort.

 

[sayd]

I remember him saying that he went up on Middle Mountain 'to search' quite often. Now it makes me wonder if he didn't go up there and pick up and dispose of any bone fragments he would find. He insisted upon searching all alone. Who does that?

Now, now isn't that convenient? When there's a trial, and if any of his dna is found (unlikely given the timeframe) or anything of his is found tying him to the crime, he will just say, "oh, I lost that while I was searching..."

I think I follow too many trials.

 

[jjenny]

If he did do it, there is certainly something wrong with him as well.
But yes, if innocent, his behavior has been incomprehensible, IMO. He has been so oddly detached much of the time, discussing Dylan, if at all, in a very remote kind of way. I have only seen any "spark" from him when getting in digs at Elaine.

And I find it interesting how he tried to imply Dylan is likely not in immediate area but in some other state and even some other country.
What exactly made him think that?

 

[SCHMAE]

Did MR attend the vigil??

Yes !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixUsq2rGTpQ

 

[mysticrose]

I know this will be a unpopular post, but I do not think MR had anything to do with Dylan's demise. I may eat crow later but I am not seeing it.

I am sorry for all the pain this family has been suffering , I am glad Dylan has been found so they are not left wondering for years where he is, that imo would be far worse.

I am concerned alot for Dylan's older brother as he seems h*ll bent on his father having everything to do with what has happened, no doubt from some influence of his mother, and I say that with no disrespect.

I hope that all parties will be able to put speculation aside to be able to give Dylan a proper burial that he deserves at this point. MR has not been named a suspect and I hope with further investigation MR will be cleared of anything to do with Dylan's disappearence and death if for anything the mental, emotional well being of Dylan's older brother.

Respectively and all in mhoo.......

Mystic