Ebola outbreak - general thread #1

[jjenny]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...ivet-buck-dies-sierra-leone-after-who-n202991

Sounds like she wouldn't have made it anyway, as she died hours after being denied transport.

 

[jjenny]

Those are just five patients out of thousands, so I don't think what they received actually counts as the standard course of treatment. There aren't even any doses of ZMAPP remaining at this point (or at least only a very limited number of doses) and they are still testing the vaccine so for the thousands of patients remaining, those treatments are not an option.

I was answering about the treatment that the majority of patients would receive.

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I've seen articles claiming that Americans have survived because they were receiving very good supportive care while in US.
That would seem to be misleading, as all of them were being given experimental drugs. Two of them were given ZMAPP while still in Africa, which could explain how they even made it into US.

 

[jjenny]

I was thinking over the idea of the blood from survivors being used to treat current infected persons and was thinking why the blood and not the bone marrow, So i googled and came upon a 2003 article about the subject .

Ebola virus: immune mechanisms of protection and vaccine development.''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12698920

I think the Ebola patients are very weak so they wouldn't survive a bone marrow transplant.

 

[Yoda]

Sounds like she wouldn't have made it anyway, as she died hours after being denied transport.

I was thinking that also, but it was a week ago Sunday when she was diagnosed. It was on Monday, sept 8th, when it was announced and said they were looking to evacuate her. The powers that be, WHO, were dragging their feet. Germany had volunteered and was ready and waiting to receive her. SMH

 

[Yoda]

Six people who have contracted Ebola have been evacuated. Four to America: 2 recovered, 1 recovering, 1 unknown. One to the UK: recovered. One to Spain: died.
According to the private air company who is handling transport, more people have been evacuated. They could not speak on wether they had ebola or were exposed.

 

[Yoda]

Does anyone remember- after the earthquake in Haiti, wasn't there a medical ship that arrived to help?

Answering myself: it was a naval ship that was sent to help. I would not approve of our military members being sent in this circumstance. Jmo

 

[jjenny]

I was thinking that also, but it was a week ago Sunday when she was diagnosed. It was on Monday, sept 8th, when it was announced and said they were looking to evacuate her. The powers that be, WHO, were dragging their feet. Germany had volunteered and was ready and waiting to receive her. SMH

They have to get a special plane with a special pod so the cost has to be a lot of $$$. So I guess if you are not a citizen of a country that would pay for an evacuation you are out of luck.

 

[Soulmagent]

I think the Ebola patients are very weak so they wouldn't survive a bone marrow transplant.

There are people who have survived from as far back as 1976 . It is the mutations that make me question the research limits on this line of study.

Link explains the discovery of ebola

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28262541


Also interesting to note in this article how the particular outbreak was spread and why.

 

[jjenny]

There are people who have survived from as far back as 1976 . It is the mutations that make me question the research limits on this line of study.

Link explains the discovery of ebola

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28262541


Also interesting to note in this article how the particular outbreak was spread and why.

Previous outbreaks were in remote villages. I really don't think anybody was giving bone marrow transplants to Ebola patients in those remote villages. It doesn't sound like these areas are capable of even basic care, let alone a bone marrow transplant. And I don't think bone marrow transplant can even be carried out to the patient that has a fever like Ebola patients do.

 

[Soulmagent]

Previous outbreaks were in remote villages. I really don't think anybody was giving bone marrow transplants to Ebola patients in those remote villages. It doesn't sound like these areas are capable of even basic care, let alone a bone marrow transplant. And I don't think bone marrow transplant can even be carried out to the patient that has a fever like Ebola patients do.

When I posted I wasnt meaning transplants .

 

[Yoda]

Franklin Graham, head of Samaritan’s Purse, suggests ditching hospitals and pivoting to a completely different strategy. He says his teams are starting to set up stand-alone isolation units, and he calls for protective gear to be distributed directly to families caring for victims.


“You have to have a containment center where someone who has Ebola comes in and you are able to contain them,” he said. And these centers shouldn’t be anywhere near hospitals, where vulnerable children, pregnant women, and sick people can be exposed.
“Containment centers are where you can have very strict procedures — a gown, double and sometimes triple layers of protection,” Graham said. “But in a hospital your staff are not gowned like that.”

Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF or Doctors Without Borders) is beginning to take a similar approach.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...la-problem-charity-wants-new-strategy-n202486

 

[Linda7NJ]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...ivet-buck-dies-sierra-leone-after-who-n202991

How tragic ....


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[jjenny]

How tragic ....


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What choice do they have? Hospitals can not handle that many patients. A lot of people seem to be non-compliant. The way it is going, it will eventually infect the whole population in these places. Half will die. The rest will emerge immune from it. It happened many times in human history.

 

[Linda7NJ]

What choice do they have? Hospitals can not handle that many patients. A lot of people seem to be non-compliant. The way it is going, it will eventually infect the whole population in these places. Half will die. The rest will emerge immune from it. It happened many times in human history.

Agreed.

Gotta thin the herd somehow. IMO


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[Yoda]

Military personnel that volunteer, right? Right?

President Obama on Tuesday will announce an expansion of a $763 million U.S. plan to help West Africa nations fight the spread of the Ebola virus, officials said Monday night

About 3,000 U.S. military personnel will be in West Africa to lead the project, officials said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...atlanta-centers-for-disease-control/15691299/

 

[Yoda]

I am am going to assume they know something we don't know.

ATLANTA – The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent an alarming message to hospitals on Monday.It warned doctors saying, "Now is the time to prepare" for an outbreak.

The CDC plan was sent today, but it looks like it was written a few weeks ago. The first page says only two cases are in the US and those are two citizens brought back for care. Hmm?
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/health/2014/09/16/cdc-ebola-checklist/15702839/

 

[Linda7NJ]

I am am going to assume they know something we don't know.



The CDC plan was sent today, but it looks like it was written a few weeks ago. The first page says only two cases are in the US and those are two citizens brought back for care. Hmm?
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/health/2014/09/16/cdc-ebola-checklist/15702839/

I was on the ER a few nights ago, huge signs were posted outside instructing people that if they had recently returned from South Africa to :......I didn't read the rest as I was too concerned about hubby...and it didn't apply to me.
He was stung by a bee on his eyelid...he's apparently and newly allergic ...his entire face swelled up and couldn't barely breathe.


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[jjenny]

I am am going to assume they know something we don't know.



The CDC plan was sent today, but it looks like it was written a few weeks ago. The first page says only two cases are in the US and those are two citizens brought back for care. Hmm?
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/health/2014/09/16/cdc-ebola-checklist/15702839/

The way they keep bringing people with Ebola or exposed to Ebola into the US, something is bound to happen sooner or later.

 

[Yoda]

I was on the ER a few nights ago, huge signs were posted outside instructing people that if they had recently returned from South Africa to :......I didn't read the rest as I was too concerned about hubby...and it didn't apply to me.
He was stung by a bee on his eyelid...he's apparently and newly allergic ...his entire face swelled up and couldn't barely breathe.


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I hope your hubby is feeling better.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I hope your hubby is feeling better.

He's fine, thank you!





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