Ebola outbreak - general thread #1

[Cracka*Jaxx]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29256443

 

[OkieGranny]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...illagers-about-ebola-when-they-were-attacked/

The bodies of eight people, including several health workers and three journalists, have been found days after they were attacked while distributing information about Ebola in a Guinean village near the city of Nzerekore, according to Reuters.

"The eight bodies were found in the village latrine," Albert Damantang Camara, a spokesman for Guinea's government, told Reuters on Thursday. "Three of them had their throats slit."

When the delegation arrived on Tuesday to do disinfection work and educate people about preventing Ebola, angry and fearful residents began throwing rocks and the group and beating them with clubs...

 

[Yoda]

Malta turns away ship with suspected Ebola case on board.

An army patrol boat was dispatched to make sure the ship did not enter Maltese waters.

“We had no way of ascertaining whether the captain was understating or overstating the situation. We do not even know if there is more than one suspected case,” Muscat said.

The sick Filippino passenger was taken in by Italy. They believe he has hepatitis.




http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...ship-suspected-ebola-case-board/#.VBuiJmK9KSM

 

[HMSHood]

Ebola is a hard disease to diagnose until the bleeding out stage. No wonder why Ebola epidemics happened. Every Ebola epidemic started because health care workers thought it was some other disease since it looks like one at first like malaria, dysentery, etc.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Ebola is a hard disease to diagnose until the bleeding out stage. No wonder why Ebola epidemics happened. Every Ebola epidemic started because health care workers thought it was some other disease since it looks like one at first like malaria, dysentery, etc.

Viruses are amazing & fascinating
http://youtu.be/0h5Jd7sgQWY


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[jjenny]

Health workers were killed in cold blood.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...when-they-were-attacked/?tid=trending_strip_5

 

[Soulmagent]

Health workers were killed in cold blood.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...when-they-were-attacked/?tid=trending_strip_5

I dont believe they were killed "in cold blood" I believe they were killed in fear driven panic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/world/africa/ebola-outbreak.html?_r=0

 

[DeDee]

First, you destroy the greatest health care system in the world.

Then, you allow open borders so illegal aliens can cross into the United States of America bringing with them contagious diseases and mysterious illnesses.

Then, you go play golf.

JMO that this was part of the plan all along.


"According to Richard Preston, the disaster in that ‘building was a kind of experiment.’ “Now they would see what Ebola could do naturally in a population of monkeys living in a confined air space, in a kind of city, as it were. The Ebola Reston virus jumped quickly from room to room… Ebola apparently drifted through the building’s air-handling ducts.” (pp. 251-252)"

"The virus entered their bodies through “contact with lungs; everyone at USAMRIID concluded that Ebola can spread through the air.” (p. 254)"

"The Ebola Reston virus is almost certainly transmitted by some airborne route. Those Hazleton workers who had the virus—I’m pretty sure they got it through the air.” (p. 257)"

"Karl Johnson, one of the discoverers of the Ebola Virus, said to the author, “A virus can be useful to a species by thinning it out.” (p. 83)"


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/65053

 

[jjenny]

Ebola Reston incident was in 1989. Are you suggesting that back then, somebody had a plan to destroy a "greatest health system in the world" and then went to play golf?
I am very confused as to what your post is about.

 

[Lyra500]

Here is an interview with a lady who works for MSF and has been in Liberia (and will be returning there).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29245149

Whenever I see interviews with people who have actually been working in Liberia, Guinea or Sierra Leone the death toll always seems as if it is much higher than the official figures (even if you discount all those people who never make it to the treatment centres) - and the number of survivors much lower.

That last time I was in Liberia I must have moved hundreds of bodies but only three people survived during the month that I was there.

 

[jjenny]

Here is an interview with a lady who works for MSF and has been in Liberia (and will be returning there).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29245149

Whenever I see interviews with people who have actually been working in Liberia, Guinea or Sierra Leone the death toll always seems as if it is much higher than the official figures (even if you discount all those people who never make it to the treatment centres) - and the number of survivors much lower.

Yea, I don't believe that 50 % survival rate we are being told either. Dr. Brantly said in his hospital only one patient survived out of forty five first patients.
Obviously that is not 50 % survival rate, but only 2 % survival rate.

 

[Yoda]

Spain is sending a plane. Brother Manuel Garcia Viejo, 69, director of a hospital in the Sierra Leonean town of Lunsar, "has tested positive (for Ebola) and has expressed his desire to be transferred to Spain", the health ministry said in a statement.
Garcia, a specialist in internal medicine, is also qualified in tropical medicine. He has worked in Africa for 30 years and has been director of the hospital in Lunsar for the past 12 years, it said

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Spain-bringing-missionary-infected-with-Ebola-home-20140921

 

[gitana1]

I dont believe they were killed "in cold blood" I believe they were killed in fear driven panic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/world/africa/ebola-outbreak.html?_r=0

Well, she's just quoting the article. And posts underneath it state that it has to do with anger at the government over its handling of a civil war, not due to panic.

Its hard for for me to grasp that there are so many people on the planet that are this ignorant and ruthless. I would think, "Fine. Everyone get out and let them all die." But containing the spread is imperative apparently. So the aid workers should have security that mows down anyone who tries to stop them.

Sorry. I'm feeling annoyed tonight.

 

[Sonya610]

Whenever I see interviews with people who have actually been working in Liberia, Guinea or Sierra Leone the death toll always seems as if it is much higher than the official figures.

I wouldn't be surprised if the actual death toll is 15 to 20 times higher (or more). These countries don't keep records, the 2400 number probably comes from the aid organization counts. If a household or village even realized they had Ebola victims they might decide to keep it quiet for fear of being killed/burned out.

 

[Lyra500]

I wouldn't be surprised if the actual death toll is 15 to 20 times higher (or more). These countries don't keep records, the 2400 number probably comes from the aid organization counts. If a household or village even realized they had Ebola victims they might decide to keep it quiet for fear of being killed/burned out.

I think even WHO and MSF fully accept that the actual death toll is much higher. I suppose my question is, whatever the real death toll, official figures quote an overall death rate of just over 50% of all cases I think. If that is the case, where are the 50% of survivors? Where are they?

If workers are claiming that they only see a handful of people leaving the isolation facilities alive, where are the rest of the survivors?

Latest figures were for approx. 5,700 cases with 2,700 deaths. This does not tally with the official 'death rate' of 52% in any case, but seems way off some other information.

This comes from the wiki page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_epidemic_in_West_Africa:

On 28 August, the WHO reported an overall case fatality rate (CFR) estimate of 52%, considerably lower than an average of the rates reported from previous outbreaks. However, difficulties in collecting information and the methodology used in compiling it may be resulting in an artificially low number.[12] A more accurate method that observed patient outcomes in Sierra Leone found a CFR of 77%.[13]

I am not desperate to be a doom monger, just trying to understand the figures.

 

[jjenny]

In all likelihood, fatality rate is much higher than the "official" 52 %. I don't know how they came up with this number, but it doesn't appear to be right from what I have seen about on the news.
I am sure better fatality rate could be achieved if the hospitals were modern with top quality care, but that's obviously not the case.
People also die before they even get to the hospital (and some don't go at all).

 

[Yoda]

Well this is fun. {sarcasm}

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, increasing their warnings on Ebola, is advising airlines and jet staff to treat all body fluids as infectious, even on domestic flights.

“Treat all body fluids as though they are infectious,” said the latest CDC update to airlines. The update is apparently meant to stress the rights airlines have to block anyone who appears "ill" from boarding.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/ebola...all-body-fluids-as-infectious/article/2553738

 

[Soulmagent]

CDC warns 500,000 will be infected by jan.

http://www.news.com.au/world/cdc-warns-500000-will-be-infected-with-ebola-by-january-as-effort-to-contain-the-virus-fail/story-fndir2ev-1227065489923

 

[Uberfairy]

where in the article was "a swarm of anopheles mosquitoes" mentioned?

google life cycle for an adult mosquito

It didn't. I wasn't very clear. In order to catch malaria, just being in the vicinity of another person with the disease won't make you catch it. You have to have anopheles mosquitos. Being in a tin bucket (ship) with someone with the disease is not dangerous. Only if there are anopheles mosquitos to transfer the malaria parasite would there be a problem. If a ship was quarantined, it would have been for another reason... unless there was a swarm of said mosquitos as passengers.

 

[Paulette]

Mamadee Sayon, a survivor. He's dancing in the Ebola treatment center. Precious little boy. Watch the video.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-recovery-leave-treatment-camp-Liberia.html