Ebola outbreak - general thread #4

[Sonya610]

He is clearly blaming the nurse for probable improper protocol in removing PPE,

That is such b-s. The hospitals treating ebola patients need to have designated highly trained "helpers" or utilize a buddy system to help the staff members put ON and most especially REMOVE the suits and ensure protocols are strictly followed. The staff should NOT be struggling to do that by themselves. The risk of infection is just too great.

 

[popsicle]

$$$$$$$$

You need to have a room set-up for it. Which is why there are specialty hospitals for Ebola imo.

 

[SStarr33]

She better be getting full pay and benefits while this is going on!!!

 

[jjenny]

She better be getting full pay and benefits while this is going on!!!

That's probably the least of her worries right now. Considering how deadly Ebola is.

 

[popsicle]

CDC PC coming up

 

[gngr~snap]

The healthcare worker was doing "self monitoring" and did not work the last TWO days. Okay then.

He also says they have cordoned off a 24 bed area specifically to handle incoming EBOLA PATIENTS! Uhhh....how many are they expecting???

[video=youtube;RNTmPqrD5k8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNTmPqrD5k8[/video]

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[trex]

Hmmm. Second case in US, first case of transmission from person to person in US, whom according to this article - http://us.cnn.com/2014/10/12/health/ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 -

The nurse was involved in Duncan's second visit to the hospital, when he was admitted for treatment, and was wearing protective gear as prescribed by the CDC: gown, gloves, mask and shield, Varga said.

Umm.. IMO Duncan should have been moved immediately upon the positive Ebola diagnosis to either a facility equipped to handle a bio safety level 4 pathogen or that hospital should have been given the proper equipment to handle an Ebola high risk patient. Jmo. It makes me extremely uneasy that the powers that be are not taking this as seriously as it should be taken. Also just my opinion that it should not have taken this long for screening at airports to begin and/or 21 day quarantine for those incoming from west African countries considering the staggering numbers of cases and deaths via Ebola in that region, and the WHO admits that those are only the reported cases they know about and the numbers are likely much higher. Yes I know those types of things cost money but, dollar signs vs. pandemic.. I just feel those "in charge" could have been more proactive vs. reactive, but I feel silly even typing a statement like that because sadly that's never how these things work. But this situation in TX should really really have been taken much more seriously. I believe this virus can and does spread through airborne coughs/sneezes and possibly through skin contact, just my opinion but, why do you think this is a biosafety level 4 pathogen? This needs to stop being downplayed.

This is a well written article that I thought would be worth sharing if any are interested - http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/is-protective-gear-inadequate-to-stop-ebola/

I do agree with his opinion here - if we already know that when we have the cold/flu we are contagious as a host to everyone around us before we ever feel sick and show symptoms, I find it near impossible the same would not be true with the Ebola virus given it's high risk status.

Given this revelation, I am also inclined to disagree with the contention of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institute of Infectious Diseases that one cannot transmit Ebola if they are asymptomatic (not yet displaying symptoms). All of our lives, we are told that not only can many of the infectious diseases against which we are warned be transmitted when the carrier is asymptomatic, but that they are often more contagious during periods immediately prior to an infection presenting itself.

This is all just my opinion but - I for one, am praying. A lot.

 

[Brightbird]

$$$$$$$$

Lol. I was actually watching it and thinking, wow are they that cheap they won't pay those women a bit extra to film this again!

 

[SStarr33]

CDC PC coming up

Any link?

 

[popsicle]

Ebola study questions fever as surefire signal
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-1012-ebola-fever-20141012-story.html#page=1

 

[popsicle]

NBC News ‏@NBCNews 14m14 minutes ago
COMING UP: CDC officials discuss the latest case of Ebola in the U.S. Watch live here: http://nbcnews.to/1vYWZym

 

[shotgun09]

Emory and Nebraska University Hospital are not only well equipped and trained, but they use Level 4 PPE. In Dallas, and most other hospitals, under CDC guidelines....are using Level 2-3 PPE and guidelines.

 

[SCHMAE]

bbm, Exactly so at this time it appears that they have a resistance to it of the protective wear is the problem. jmo idk It doesn't make sense.

Or if I put on my super tinfoil hat, I think we may never hear about any of them again and have no idea what their fate was ...... mooo for sure !

 

[trex]

The last think any hospital wants or needs right now is for the health care workers/nurses/Dr's to think that the protective gear is not protecting them.

They SHOULD think it's not protecting them, because unless they are in full biohazard safety suits, it's surely not. This is how pandemics start. I'm not some crazy conspiracy type but unless this is taken much more seriously it's going to keep spreading here - it's science, it's how they've already proven in the past this virus works. Every single strain.

 

[Sigh Sister]

Have you seen this very awkward video turned out by the Galveston Health Department on how to don and REMOVE a PPE suit after Ebola exposure?

This was done as an OFFICIAL instruction video for EMTs etc...and it is a joke, they do NOT sanitize the suit the wearer just struggles to get out of it while an unprotected "helper" fumbles with the bio-hazard bag holding the "contamination". And these are the "experts" that the rest of us are supposed to depend on?

Long video, removal starts at 7:30 mark.

[video=youtube;gUIAd8jdnT4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUIAd8jdnT4[/video]

And she takes the gear off in the wrong order! Mask should be last according to CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/ppe-poster.pdf

 

[jjenny]

Emory and Nebraska University Hospital are not only well equipped and trained, but they use Level 4 PPE. In Dallas, and most other hospitals, under CDC guidelines....are using Level 2-3 PPE and guidelines.

And it's not enough, is it? It was also very predictable.

 

[hockeymom]

Freidman is like a drone!!
So let me understand what he just said. She had extensive contact with Duncan , yet was considered low risk? What's high risk then?
I feel lime they have no idea how this occurred. Just assuming the nurse screwed up.

 

[SCHMAE]

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Did not work the last two days because that was her scheduled time off work ? Or did not work the last two days because she already felt ill? Wwas she 'self quarantining' those two days and staying home in a sick bed or out in town having lunch and such ?

ETA I'm just thinking away . Two days prior to Friday is Wednesday, the day Duncan died, correct? So she was working ( presumably ) with him until the end. Does that mean that his care team may have put in extra hours, WAY more hours than normal , because many caregivers did not want to treat him? Was she ' on call' or ' on duty' the entire time he was hospitalized? Which would knock your immune system low for sure. But I wonder if the last day she worked is the day he passed and then finally , they were given time OFF. Do the math. Am I thinking too much ?

 

[jjenny]

Freidman is like a drone!!
So let me understand what he just said. She had extensive contact with Duncan , yet was considered low risk? What's high risk then?
I feel lime they have no idea how this occurred. Just assuming the nurse screwed up.

I think because she was wearing PPE they didn't consider her high risk. Oops.

 

[Brightbird]

You need to have a room set-up for it. Which is why there are specialty hospitals for Ebola imo.

I watched a number of YouTube vids today, and they were decontaminating their suits outside in the open. The dead body crew, for example, got dressed and undressed outside next to their truck. Another worker sprayed them all down. They rinsed their gloved hands after each time they touched their PPE while taking it all off.