Ebola outbreak - general thread #5

[okiedokietoo]

okay I am a broken record, sorry. Ms Troh's quarantine should end today. Mr. Duncan had symptoms on September 24th and went to Hospital the next day, the first time 25th for fever and abdominal pain. Going with that time frame 21 Days is today. If you go by day he was admitted, 28th then Sunday. I have read somewhere that the State of Texas is going to keep them quarantined 10 extra days to make sure 21 days is over. The time frame for the original contacts keeps being extended. We haven't heard from her, her son, her nephew, his friend, nor the relative of the friend........The pastor says he picked up an application for an apartment for her and she is afraid of being stigmatized about having Ebola.....so is the next news to be she moved, new life so there is no stigma? I understand being around someone when they first get Ebola is not as bad as after they have had it for awhile - and in the same breath it is said you can get it through bodily fluids. Mr. Duncan was vomiting the day the ambulance picked him up. The family was upset that no one had removed soiled items from the apartment. And again, there is Mr. Lively that rode in the unclean ambulance right after Mr. Duncan. How is he doing? And where is he?

 

[jjenny]

She already had fever on the plane.

"DALLAS -- There are now two Dallas nurses being treated for the Ebola virus, and News 8 has learned that the second patient flew on an airplane Monday with a low-grade fever of 99.5 degrees."

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/heal...las-hospital-worker-diagnosed-ebola/17290677/

 

[Hiandmighty]

Are they talking about dogs and ebola Zaire?

 

[nrdsb4]

Sonjay Gupta on CNN. Whether or not she was told not to fly, she should have known better.

He's absolutely right. We can excuse lay people for not understanding disease processes, but you cannot convince me that this nurse did not understand the need to self isolate. ISOLATE means do not be around other people, certainly not for any non essential reason. Really, nurses tend to stick together, but this cannot be defended. Even if I was told by the CDC to fly home on a commercial jet, I'm an intelligent, educated human being who would know to call BS on that.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yes. If it were, pretty much every one of Duncan's contacts would be sick. And they are not.

Not true. Maybe some have very very strong immune system. And then, how do you KNOW that more are not sick? Heck, how do you really KNOW anything they says true? I do believe it is airborne, depending on how seri vectors the affected person is.

 

[WichitaFalls]

Being that I'm located five to eight miles from ground zero here in Dallas, it's not too early for a glass of wine is it?

 

[bettybaby00]

Sonjay....
100.4 is the typical threshold, nurse had 99.5 when she boarded plane.

It's not an exact science and is a grey area when considering if she was contagious while on plane....

Bottom line, temperature, plus exposure to Ebola patient means she shouldn't have been on a plane.

(Paraphrased as best I could)

 

[nrdsb4]

Are they talking about dogs and ebola Zaire?

YES, they are.

 

[Davia18]

How many believe there is more people infected and that information is not being released to us.

Also I'm not very happy this person treated Duncan and then flew, she knew the risk and most likely had the mind set that she didn't have it .

 

[bettybaby00]

Being that I'm located five to eight miles from ground zero here in Dallas, it's not too early for a glass of wine is it?

Naaahhh. The saying goes, it's five o'clock somewhere!

 

[Hiandmighty]

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/pdfs/04-0981.pdf

This link that someone posted about dogs and ebola-- this paper is talking about the Ebola Z strain, which is NOT the strain we are currently dealing with.

 

[SweetT]

What happens when an infected person is driving then stops in to the local convenience store for a drink and some gas or use the bathroom to go puke and haven't gotten to hospital yet ?

 

[nrdsb4]

Not true. Maybe some have very very strong immune system. And then, how do you KNOW that more are not sick? Heck, how do you really KNOW anything they says true? I do believe it is airborne, depending on how seri vectors the affected person is.

ALL of them have the exact same "very strong immune system?" Nonsense. I'm not going to waste any further time arguing something that is not in dispute amongst any of the major world health organizations and experts.

 

[SweetT]

Being that I'm located five to eight miles from ground zero here in Dallas, it's not too early for a glass of wine is it?

Feel free just stay out of the bars.

 

[oh_gal]

Or if your eyes are open? Correct?

Yes, that's the way they explained it on the news. It was funny, because they used that exact scenario, about what if someone infected with Ebola sneezes and you're near them, etc. -- what constitutes "bodily fluids", etc.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Panic is unwarranted at this time, imo. Duncan was asymptomatic on the flight. The nurse who flew to Ohio broke protocol. The nurses union can flap their arms all they want but the nurses are supposed to be following the protocol which includes self-monitoring.

(CNN) -- [Breaking News update 1:05 p.m.]

Because she had helped care for Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, this health care worker should not have traveled on a commercial airplane, CDC Director Tom Frieden said.

At that point, health care workers were undergoing self-monitoring. They were allowed to travel but not on a commercial plane with other people, he said.

Moving forward, the CDC will ensure that no one else in such a situation travels outside of a closed environment, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html

I am not panicking. However, please tell me since you ASSUME TO KNOW. When is the appropriate time to panic? I just wish people would tell the truth that's all.

 

[okiedokietoo]

I agree with they are doing in Spain

Spanish hospital workers protest Ebola safety measures as more people enter isolation
By Abby Ohlheiser October 10

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/10/spanish-hospital-workers-protest-ebola-safety-measures-as-more-people-enter-isolation/

Thirteen people who came into contact with an Ebola-stricken nursing assistant are now in isolation at the Carlos III Hospital in Madrid.

 

[matou]

So this second nurse flew FROM Cleveland to Texas. When did she leave Texas in the first place? This whole thing is making me insane.

 

[nrdsb4]

What happens when an infected person is driving then stops in to the local convenience store for a drink and some gas or use the bathroom to go puke and haven't gotten to hospital yet ?

Honestly, from what we know, when someone first begins showing signs of ebola, it's very difficult to even find any traces of it in their fluids. That's why they want another test at an interval, I believe 48 hours later. So most likely that person is not going to transmit the virus to anyone yet. Again, that doesn't affect protocol, which would say that the moment a symptom is noticed/documented, that person should be placed into isolation.

If "infected person" is sick and knows enough that they need to go to the hospital, infected person should know to stay out of convenience stores. Unfortunately people can be stupid.

I would rather not be around anyone with ebola. But if I have to, I'm choosing the person who has just started to feel bad.

 

[oh_gal]

Sonjay....
100.4 is the typical threshold, nurse had 99.5 when she boarded plane.

It's not an exact science and is a grey area when considering if she was contagious while on plane....

Bottom line, temperature, plus exposure to Ebola patient means she shouldn't have been on a plane.

(Paraphrased as best I could)

And I've said this before: my normal body temp is 97.5 - below "normal"...there are probably people out there whose normal body temps are even further below normal than mine..so, 100.4 is not the same for me, as it is for someone whose normal temp is 98.6. What if this nurse's normal body temp is below normal?