Ebola outbreak - general thread #7

[CARIIS]

Per Cnn another whole hysterical cruise ship, all is well they are on there way again, just news panic - media is not putting together that out of 98 false attaqcks, haz med running, people trapped, subways, planes, cars, taxi, cruise ships,t cetc all is well

Thus far experts, right on the money - folks who touch body fluids are at risk, it is very hard virus to get (HIV is hard to contract ) unless you engage in acitivites that put the virus and you in direct contact.

There is a logic here the virus needs a host to survive, that host is the human body in order to get into a host it has to "get on the"host in order to "get in" the host! WIthout question at this point in time it is not an airborne entity - if it were, in Africa, where they are living on top of one another in close proximity with one antother , with no basic hand washing or bleach, the numbers would far greater than 5000 confirmed lab tested deaths, in 7 months - thats math!

Will there be a couple more - IMO yeh, are we suffering or gonna have this pandemisc IMO no. At this point far more damage has done to the soceity, than the virus did

Everyone person impacted as far as USA goes all along were foks who had direct contact, with virus loaded people who were shedding virus out onto everything these poor folks were in direct conatact with.

That IMO is where we stand - there is nothing to worry about as far as being out in the world and doing ones thing

JIM- and the facts thus far!

 

[Peliman]

I haven't flown in quite some time. Do they pat down all passengers now?

I get patted down each time I fly a couple times a year. The reason I'm patted down is because my hip implant always sets off the metal scanner. They don't do this for everyone but since I set off the metal scanner I'm pulled aside for further searching including a gloved pat down. Afterwards they remove the gloves and run the gloves through a machine that checks for explosive residue. They then apply new gloves for the next person.

My experience

 

[fabvab]

OMG. That's a scary disease. They think he got infected while still in his home country, not US. I hope he didn't spread it around.

Armadillos are carriers of leprosy.

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/africa-ebola-outbreak-2014/

 

[WichitaFalls]

How the microscopic Ebola virus kills thousands
The fear of Ebola has spread faster in America than the virus itself. Ebola has infected the American psyche, forcing us to do risk analysis of a pathogen we know little about. This is different from the flu scares of recent years, because this virus is novel here, and we have no cultural memory of what we are supposed to do, or think, or believe, when Ebola is on the loose. More at link . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...21bdec-561b-11e4-809b-8cc0a295c773_story.html

 

[Penelope]

Billy Martin’s brand is scandal.

More specifically, managing scandal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...d466ee-4c89-11e3-9890-a1e0997fb0c0_story.html

Maybe he was hired by her and the family to help manage all the negative comments made about her, re: flying so soon after exposure to ebola, flying back to Dallas while feverish, criticisms of her being a nurse and "she should have known not to do this, " etc., etc. I am sure there is also the potential for a lawsuit against the hospital and maybe even the CDC.

 

[jjenny]

Armadillos are carriers of leprosy.

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/africa-ebola-outbreak-2014/

I don't think they have armadillos in OH prisons. This guy was from Micronesia.
Incubation period for leprosy can be years.

"An increasing proportion of Hansen disease cases in the United States occurs among migrants from the Micronesian region, where leprosy prevalence is high. We abstracted surveillance and clinical records of the National Hansen’s Disease Program to determine geographic, demographic, and clinical patterns. Since 2004, 13% of US cases have occurred in this migrant population. Although Hawaii reported the most cases, reports have increased in the central and southern states. Multibacillary disease in men predominates on the US mainland. Of 49 patients for whom clinical data were available, 37 (75%) had leprosy reaction, neuropathy, or other complications; 17 (37%) of 46 completed treatment. Comparison of data from the US mainland with Hawaii and country-of-origin suggests under-detection of cases in pediatric and female patients and with paucibacillary disease in the United States. Increased case finding and management, and avoidance of leprosy-labeled stigma, is needed for this population."

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/17/7/10-2036_article

 

[Isabelle]

Article looking at the consumption of bushmeat with some interesting stats.

Be warned - there are lots of photos of bushmeat which looks pretty rank with a westerner's eyes.

Having read the article, however dodgy the really black meat looks, it has been cooked/smoked and is therefore no longer an Ebola risk. It is freshly killed meat and blood from an infected animal which is the risk. This probably explains the relatively small number of Ebola outbreaks over the last 40 or so years compared to the huge consumption of bushmeat. It seems the hunters and their families are the ones at greatest risk - some effective education about safe handling of the meat in these groups might well help.

Each outbreak appears to stem from an initial human contracting the virus through contact with a carrier animal (bats do not even display any signs of illness) - the wider spread of the outbreak is then human to human and not connected to what food sufferers are consuming.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29604204



The article mentions that Child Zero's family were hunters and had hunted two different species of bat.

Stats:

Handling the bushmeat may be a bigger problem than eating the cooked meat.

 

[Penelope]

Regarding the government there is one big hurtle to jump.

In the United States, the federal government has sovereign immunity and may not be sued unless it has waived its immunity or consented to suit.[SUP][1][/SUP] The United States as a sovereign is immune from suit unless it unequivocally consents to being sued.[SUP][2][/SUP] The United States Supreme Court in Price v. United Statesobserved: "It is an axiom of our jurisprudence. The government is not liable to suit unless it consents thereto, and its liability in suit cannot be extended beyond the plain language of the statute authorizing it."[SUP][3][/SUP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States

That's good to know, Peliman! However, the hospital is fair game and should shoulder some responsibility as does the nurse herself (IMO). One of the positive things that should come out of this is that healthcare workers will be better informed and have better equipment and training to deal with any potential Ebola patients crossing their path. Also, all will have better awareness regarding when to quarantine and the risks of having people monitor themselves in quarantine.

 

[neesaki]

Apologies if this was already posted but this, IMO, is so ridiculous I had to post it.

http://www.pressherald.com/2014/10/...y-teacher-on-leave-after-traveling-to-dallas/

Agree, ridiculous. So Dallas is now 'Africa'. :tsktsk:

I just have to chime in here. In my 49 years of life I can't recall EVER witnessing someone vomit in public! Not even at a bar or party where a lot of drinking has taken place - or on an airplane where vomiting apparently takes place frequently. After reading about all these people vomiting on buses, train stations, public sidewalks, etc. in the past few weeks - I'm thinking I've been quite lucky not to have witness such a disgusting thing! Ha!

I have witnessed it once in my life of 58 years, in a steak restaurant where we were having dinner of all places :notgood: .
Call me cynical, but I have to wonder if someone is paying them to do this. Or, is it a matter of attention seeking, maybe wanting to induce panic. Hmmm, :thinking: might be interesting to know if there's been a recent increase in Ipecac syrup sales.
Other possibilities:
-We have more neurotic psychosomatic, hypochondriacs walking the earth than we realized.
-False reporting, you can make this up.

 

[faw720]

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metr...-patient-clear-dallas-county-watch-period.ece

14 people with first ebola patient clear Dallas Co. watch period. 48 more should be free of quarantine at 12:01 am Monday.

JMO, this is a good article. I appreciate that Mayor Rawlings & Judge Jenkins have been meeting with local clergy & requesting that they talk to their congregations about helping those coming off quarantine to re-integrate back into society.

 

[Harmony 2]

ADMIN NOTE:

Okay, I am going to re-open this thread for discussion about

Ebola - the disease itself and the efforts to contain it and control it's spread.

ALL POLITICAL DISCUSSION, including immigration and the appointment of the Ebola Czar by President Obama goes in the Political Pavilion thread linked here.

I removed a LOT of posts. The ones that were political in nature I will be moving to the thread linked above.

Any further discussion posted in a political context in this thread will result in an automatic Time Out. No exceptions. No further warnings.

***Bump this post as necessary, please***

If you are missing a political post look for it at the political pavilion.

 

[neesaki]

Article looking at the consumption of bushmeat with some interesting stats.

Be warned - there are lots of photos of bushmeat which looks pretty rank with a westerner's eyes.

Having read the article, however dodgy the really black meat looks, it has been cooked/smoked and is therefore no longer an Ebola risk. It is freshly killed meat and blood from an infected animal which is the risk. This probably explains the relatively small number of Ebola outbreaks over the last 40 or so years compared to the huge consumption of bushmeat. It seems the hunters and their families are the ones at greatest risk - some effective education about safe handling of the meat in these groups might well help.

Each outbreak appears to stem from an initial human contracting the virus through contact with a carrier animal (bats do not even display any signs of illness) - the wider spread of the outbreak is then human to human and not connected to what food sufferers are consuming.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29604204



The article mentions that Child Zero's family were hunters and had hunted two different species of bat.

Stats:

I'm just trying to figure out what is in that first photo.

Bushmeat or wild animal meat covers any animal that is killed for consumption, principally chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats and monkeys. It can even include porcupines, rats and snakes.

What is that creature, looks more like a Chupacabra to me

 

[SStarr33]

I'm just trying to figure out what is in that first photo.



What is that creature, looks more like a Chupacabra to me

I need an id on most of those photos

 

[SStarr33]

Ohio Bans International Travel For Residents Being Monitored for Ebola

http://online.wsj.com/articles/ohio...esidents-being-monitored-for-ebola-1413687948

 

[LaborDayRN]

I get patted down each time I fly a couple times a year. The reason I'm patted down is because my hip implant always sets off the metal scanner. They don't do this for everyone but since I set off the metal scanner I'm pulled aside for further searching including a gloved pat down. Afterwards they remove the gloves and run the gloves through a machine that checks for explosive residue. They then apply new gloves for the next person.

My experience

Thanks for the info on the removal of the gloves Peliman! I haven't been given a pat down myself, so I wasn't sure.

 

[cady]

Agree, ridiculous. So Dallas is now 'Africa'. :tsktsk:



I have witnessed it once in my life of 58 years, in a steak restaurant where we were having dinner of all places :notgood: .
Call me cynical, but I have to wonder if someone is paying them to do this. Or, is it a matter of attention seeking, maybe wanting to induce panic. Hmmm, :thinking: might be interesting to know if there's been a recent increase in Ipecac syrup sales.
Other possibilities:
-We have more neurotic psychosomatic, hypochondriacs walking the earth than we realized.
-False reporting, you can make this up.

LOL LOL LOL That happened to me sitting in a booth at a restaurant...next to a window, someone, thankfully, left the restaurant to barf but did it outside the window right next to our booth. LOL JMO

 

[Gypsy Road]

I just looked for updates on Nina and Amber and I can't find any. Did I miss them? Since they both were transferred - not much has been reported -other than Amber hiring an attorney. I am hoping to hear that both are doing well and are on the road to full recovery.

 

[nrdsb4]

As a Mainer, I think this is beyond ridiculous. Matter of fact, an attorney friend of mine was in Dallas for a conference, staying around the same distance from THP as this teacher, during the week that Mr. Duncan was initially diagnosed. However, like this teacher, he was nowhere near any of the potential contact areas (i.e, hospital, apartment complex...) and he has not been quarantined - nor should he be. What do you all think? Just curious...

I think it's one of the most ridiculous things I have read out of all of the "hysteria" stories. If this teacher needs to be quarantined, then using the same logic, all 1.25 million Dallas residents need to be quarantined, because, you know, we've been in Dallas.

 

[CARIIS]

awesome post !

Kinda cool to see a lot of folks starting to block out media drama. Now, we just have to hope the rest of society shall do the same. But, and this a big one, I do think there will be one or two more from hospital, and that is gonna give the hysteria legs ugh

Nation wide I would love to know the cost of all this stuff lost revenue, ot for officials , etc etc

It was starting to remind of the Boston Marathon - locking citizens up with no , unequval reason to do so.

Kinda creepy .....................................

Ot next up Ferguson, as you know CNN oye vi they found blood in LE car, on his clothes and two shots in his car. The anchor - daytime - asks an expert , do you think this will have any impact on the case???

BUt, they dont indicte him _IMO they should not- anyone old enough to remember LA riots?

WTH?????

How the microscopic Ebola virus kills thousands
The fear of Ebola has spread faster in America than the virus itself. Ebola has infected the American psyche, forcing us to do risk analysis of a pathogen we know little about. This is different from the flu scares of recent years, because this virus is novel here, and we have no cultural memory of what we are supposed to do, or think, or believe, when Ebola is on the loose. More at link . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...21bdec-561b-11e4-809b-8cc0a295c773_story.html

 

[jjenny]

I think it's one of the most ridiculous things I have read out of all of the "hysteria" stories. If this teacher needs to be quarantined, then using the same logic, all 1.25 million Dallas residents need to be quarantined, because, you know, we've been in Dallas.

I want to ask my employer for quarantine due to just being through Dallas. Three weeks paid vacation sounds so nice.
:laughing: