Ebola outbreak - general thread #8

[gitana1]

I would like to add that the only people who contracted Ebola from the dude in Texas who got it in Liberia, were our own, American healthcare workers. Not the tons of people he came in contact with outside of the hospital.

 

[SStarr33]

Why would anyone care what the CDC says when they have been so wrong on everything about this?

 

[SStarr33]

I would like to add that the only people who contracted Ebola from the dude in Texas who got it in Liberia, were our own, American healthcare workers. Not the tons of people he came in contact with outside of the hospital.

Who were those "tons" of people from outside the hospital? His family quarantined themselves against him. The only one I know for sure is the homeless guy.

 

[jjenny]

Of 700 Doctors Without Borders health care professionals sent to Africa to treat Ebola patients there, only three (3)- THREE - contracted it. Not died, just contracted it. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/31/world/africa/ebola-virus-outbreak-qa.html

How many health care workers treated the dude in Texas? Not cclose to 700, right? And how many contracted it?

Hmm. I kind of think our system is far poorer than whatever they are doing there.

The CDC does NOT recommend quarantine for health care workers returning from Africa. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0IG12920141027?irpc=932

Doctors without borders said 16 of their staff contracted it and 9 died. Not counting doctor Spencer. As for TX hospital, they send over 50 people to treat Duncan.

 

[annahanna]

Of 700 Doctors Without Borders health care professionals sent to Africa to treat Ebola patients there, only three (3)- THREE - contracted it. Not died, just contracted it. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/31/world/africa/ebola-virus-outbreak-qa.html

How many health care workers treated the dude in Texas? Not cclose to 700, right? And how many contracted it?

Hmm. I kind of think our system is far poorer than whatever they are doing there.

The CDC does NOT recommend quarantine for health care workers returning from Africa. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0IG12920141027?irpc=932

According to the WHO:
"The outbreak of Ebola virus disease in west Africa is unprecedented in many ways, including the high proportion of doctors, nurses, and other health care workers who have been infected.

To date, more than 240 health care workers have developed the disease in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone, and more than 120 have died."

"Several factors help explain the high proportion of infected medical staff. These factors include shortages of personal protective equipment or its improper use, far too few medical staff for such a large outbreak, and the compassion that causes medical staff to work in isolation wards far beyond the number of hours recommended as safe."
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/25-august-2014/en/

In the United States, patient 0 presented at a regional hospital unexpectedly. He was treated and tragically died. Two of more then 50 care givers did become infected, but both were treated and lived. Considering that is the first case of a previously unknown disease diagnosed in this country, I personally don't think that is too bad. It is unfortunate that Mr Duncan died, but we have no way of knowing what his health and health care were prior to arriving in the US. He may well have had pre-existing issues that compromised his ability to survive Ebola. The overall survival,rate for,the disease was already not in his favor.

Without doing some research, I don't know how accurate the Doctors Without Borders provided numbers you quoted are. I do not believe that they have sent 700 front line medical professionals to treat patients in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone. They have a strong presence, but organizations like the WHO and Samaritan's purse are (I believe) bigger contributors. Doctors Without Borders is a good organization, But they are very admin heavy.

 

[gitana1]

Who were those "tons" of people from outside the hospital? His family quarantined themselves against him. The only one I know for sure is the homeless guy.

43 people were monitored and or quarantined for 21 days after coming in contact with Duncan. How about all the people who flew in an airplane with him? Or airplanes? How about all the people in the hospital waiting room when he first came to the ER? Or all the people who were living in the same house with him before they were isolated?

 

[faw720]

Excellent question. The lack of logic in quarantining one nurse but not other medical professionals here is based, I think, on the same cultural attitudes that have created hysteria about a disease that can only be acquired via bodily fluids. Like hepatitis. Or AIDS.

The number of health care professionals heavily involved in treating Ebola in Africa is large. Compared with how many of them who have contracted the disease there proves, I think, that the protocols our health care workers here use to prevent transmission are not better than those employed by workers there. So that's not an excuse for the hypocrisy regarding quarantine.

Dumbo me!!!!!!!!!! Why on earth would I try to use logic in this situation? That was my big mistake!!

 

[gitana1]

Doctors without borders said 16 of their staff contracted it and 9 died. Not counting doctor Spencer. As for TX hospital, they send over 50 people to treat Duncan.

Well I provided a link for my figures. I have not seen a link to yours.

 

[gitana1]

According to the WHO:
"The outbreak of Ebola virus disease in west Africa is unprecedented in many ways, including the high proportion of doctors, nurses, and other health care workers who have been infected.

To date, more than 240 health care workers have developed the disease in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone, and more than 120 have died."

"Several factors help explain the high proportion of infected medical staff. These factors include shortages of personal protective equipment or its improper use, far too few medical staff for such a large outbreak, and the compassion that causes medical staff to work in isolation wards far beyond the number of hours recommended as safe."
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/25-august-2014/en/

In the United States, patient 0 presented at a regional hospital unexpectedly. He was treated and tragically died. Two of more then 50 care givers did become infected, but both were treated and lived. Considering that is the first case of a previously unknown disease diagnosed in this country, I personally don't think that is too bad. It is unfortunate that Mr Duncan died, but we have no way of knowing what his health and health care were prior to arriving in the US. He may well have had pre-existing issues that compromised his ability to survive Ebola. The overall survival,rate for,the disease was already not in his favor.

Without doing some research, I don't know how accurate the Doctors Without Borders provided numbers you quoted are. I do not believe that they have sent 700 front line medical professionals to treat patients in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone. They have a strong presence, but organizations like the WHO and Samaritan's purse are (I believe) bigger contributors. Doctors Without Borders is a good organization, But they are very admin heavy.

How many of the 240 that you cited or from doctors without Borders? According to their statements, only three. Are you aware how many healthcare professionals from poor Third World countries are currently treating Ebola victims?

 

[Muffet]

Why would anyone care what the CDC says when they have been so wrong on everything about this?

Indeed. It's OK to be wrong, especially if you're seeking truth, admit limitations, and adapt to the facts. But that's not what has been happening since day one.

Doctors without borders said 16 of their staff contracted it and 9 died. Not counting doctor Spencer. As for TX hospital, they send over 50 people to treat Duncan.

And as of last week, their website said there were 23 of them infected, with 7 survivors.

If people don't want panic, they should be trustworthy in both their actions and claims about what they know.

A lot of us do have friends and family on the front lines or otherwise at risk from fallout.

So far, the only people who have earned trust imo are Samaritan's Purse and researchers in the labs.


ETA link from a quick Google to confirm

Twenty-three MSF staff have been infected with Ebola since March, seven of whom have recovered. The vast majority of these infections were found to have occurred in the community.

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/our-work/medical-issues/ebola

 

[Footwarrior]

Without doing some research, I don't know how accurate the Doctors Without Borders provided numbers you quoted are. I do not believe that they have sent 700 front line medical professionals to treat patients in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone. They have a strong presence, but organizations like the WHO and Samaritan's purse are (I believe) bigger contributors. Doctors Without Borders is a good organization, But they are very admin heavy.

Why don't you do the research before implying that Doctors Without Borders is lying?

 

[Elley Mae]

Ebola Has Killed More Than 200 Doctors, Nurses, And Other Healthcare Workers Since June

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiam...-doctors-nurses-and-other-healthcare-workers/

Around the globe, about 400 health care staff have contracted Ebola, and more than 230 have died.

 

[XXXXXXXX]

The health care workers in the US are taking care of one patient at a time, under optimal sanitary conditions. They are being monitored closely for symptoms but they are not considered at the highest level of risk. (Even so, the 2 nurses in Texas did become infected.)

Health care workers in the 3 badly impacted countries are dealing with many patients at a time, they are working in overcrowded "hospital" settings (that we in the US would not accept as hospitals), they are working extremely long hours and they are living and traveling through areas where many people,in the community are infected. They are at extremely high risk of infection. To date, none of the Americans who contracted Ebola and were brought to the US for treatment could pinpoint exactly where they got it.

Quarantine seems wise for people at extremely high risk of an infectious disease. Just my opinion.

Exactly. And if anyone here watches CNN tv between the hours of midnight to 4:00 am EST, the focus of CNN changes.

I have insomnia so am awake at 2:00 am or so EST and turned my tv on when I woke up at that ungodly hour. It was reported on CNN tv that the U.S. can expect up to 3-8 more cases MONTHLY of Ebola.

Bellevue Hospital already had to transfer all other ICU patients out of their facility because there was insufficient staff to care for the ONE doctor and the other ICU patients. We simply do NOT have enough medical care workers here in the U.S. to deal with more than one Ebola patient at a time per facility.

What's going to happen when those limited resources are exhausted by 3-8 Ebola patients per MONTH entering the U.S.?

Nothing good, hopeful, or positive. And it can't be whitewashed anymore.

 

[Footwarrior]

How many of the 240 that you cited or from doctors without Borders? According to their statements, only three. Are you aware how many healthcare professionals from poor Third World countries are currently treating Ebola victims?

Doctors Without Borders has hired a lot of local staff in the affected nations. These would be in addition to the 700 sent in from other nations to fight the Ebola epidemic. The same is true of other international organizations working in the region. The overall count of health care workers that have come down with Ebola would include those hired locally.

 

[Elley Mae]

At present, there are more than 3,200 MSF staff working on Ebola in West Africa. The total number of people who have worked in Ebola projects since MSF began its intervention last March is significantly higher. To date, 24 MSF staff have contracted Ebola and 13 have died.

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/article/q-msf’s-ebola-response-and-protocols#5

 

[Kimster]

Let's not be speculating about your fellow members. If you have a concern about another member, use the alert feature and the mods will review.

:tyou:

 

[Kimster]

Stick with the facts please. :waiting:

 

[SteveS]

It was reported on CNN tv that the U.S. can expect up to 3-8 more cases MONTHLY of Ebola.

1 Not sure I buy CNN's wild guess of the future as reliable.
2 Even if it is reliable, I don't see the problem. We are already treating the low end of that range or more, are working at far below capacity, and are better at it now than when we started.

 

[Elley Mae]

To be fair, Christie's "version of the truth" on this matter has been laden with spin galore (to put it kindly), as well.* So I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt either.


* His claim was that she was only quarantined "because she had symptoms" and yet those "symptoms" were based on an admittedly-flawed "temp from a distance" device which wasn't supported by an actual temp check. Then she tested negative TWICE. Yet, she was still being detained and as late as Sunday he was saying they'd continue to keep her.

My comment had nothing to do with what he said, I can make up my on mind, I don't need help to know/see when someone has a problem with authority like she does. It is MY opinion that she is not/never to be trusted with anything, ever. jmo idk

 

[Sweet Fox]

And that is why she(imo) should never be trusted by anyone for anything ever again. I am so glad her face has been plastered all over so people know what she looks like. jmo idk

And that is why she(imo) should never be trusted by anyone for anything ever again. I am so glad her face has been plastered all over so people know what she looks like. jmo idk

Well said. She turned herself from being a hero into an outcast. It is not whether or not she has Ebola but rather her disregard for US public safety and her ensuing behavior. IMO) many in the public will not have anything to do with her.