Ellen Degeneres under fire for giving away dog

  • #161
I saw the dog lady on tv where she was crying and going on about how this was disrupting her life and business. I would not be surprised if she tries to bring some kind of court issue against Ellen... even my SO pointed out that something in her demeanor made it sound like she may be out to go after Ellen for making things public. She's (the dog lady) is playing up the drama on her end.

I think Ellen had the best of intentions... and it is very cruel to snatch that dog away from those children, after having bonded with the family. It would not have hurt one thing had that lady just let it go and left the dog with the girls. And seriously, how good is it for a pet to be snatched from place to place? pets need stability, too... and the dog was obviously getting that from the family of the girls that had bonded with the pup.
 
  • #162
Oh so the new family has already been interviewed and 'watched' and just makes the perfect fit for Iggy huh? BOGUS!! This lady supposedly rescues dogs? I don't think so...
You are so right, she doesn't RESCUE the dogs IMO. I think she goes to the pound and cherry picks the dogs that would be most adoptable. Her website said she worked at the pound, but I'm not sure if she still does. Of course she'll take the healthy ones, wouldn't want to spend any money on rehabilitating a sick one. I've seen her available dogs on her website before it was taken down. I doubt any of them were hard luck cases that needed extensive vet care. Crap...she doesn't even pay to get the dog neutered/spayed and probaby not for the shots either. Yeah...I really think she's just using the "rescue" to SELL dogs for an outrageous PRICE.
 
  • #163
I saw the dog lady on tv where she was crying and going on about how this was disrupting her life and business. I would not be surprised if she tries to bring some kind of court issue against Ellen... even my SO pointed out that something in her demeanor made it sound like she may be out to go after Ellen for making things public. She's (the dog lady) is playing up the drama on her end.

I think Ellen had the best of intentions... and it is very cruel to snatch that dog away from those children, after having bonded with the family. It would not have hurt one thing had that lady just let it go and left the dog with the girls. And seriously, how good is it for a pet to be snatched from place to place? pets need stability, too... and the dog was obviously getting that from the family of the girls that had bonded with the pup.
I hope she does bring legal action...maybe it will expose what a sham she's running. I feel NO pity for her! I thought they did the right thing in the beginning, but she CLEARLY does not have the best interest of the dog first. Organizations like hers give rescues a bad name!

I thought of something else also. If this woman feels she can go and take any of "her" dogs back when she wants to because of her "contract", then what's stopping her from taking away any dog she adopted out for any stupid reason? Even if she does win against Ellen, who in their right might is going to adopt from this witch? I hope she's put out of business, because that's what her rescue is to her...a business.
 
  • #164
And you see that is exactly what I am saying too this lady does NOT have the dogs best interest at heart here...that is probably rule # 1 for any person involved in animal rescue. Rules are in place for a reason and I totally respect that but I am also a firm believer in some rules can and should be broken under certain circumstances. If the lady had what's best for the dog type of mentality she would of been able to see that the dog was perfectly happy and fine with the new family and all this could of been kept on the down low so she would of broken one of her own rules! Who cares?!





I hope she does bring legal action...maybe it will expose what a sham she's running. I feel NO pity for her! I thought they did the right thing in the beginning, but she CLEARLY does not have the best interest of the dog first. Organizations like hers give rescues a bad name!

I thought of something else also. If this woman feels she can go and take any of "her" dogs back when she wants to because of her "contract", then what's stopping her from taking away any dog she adopted out for any stupid reason? Even if she does win against Ellen, who in their right might is going to adopt from this witch? I hope she's put out of business, because that's what her rescue is to her...a business.
 
  • #165
Something is seriously wrong with that animal rescue lady.
 
  • #166
I've adopted two dogs from the pound that I re-homed myself. Against the shelter's policy. One I gave to PA State Police and he is now a narcotics sniffing dog. He was on death row when I adopted him.

The other I gave to my mother when he didn't interact well with our other dog.

What I find ironic ...........people re-home adopted children, privately. Many are not returned to social service.
 
  • #167
Petfinder.org has issued a statement about Iggy on their website. It supports the return policy that shelters and rescue groups have. However, Petfinder says:

This is a controversial point of view, even amongst shelters and rescue groups who may feel that they have more experience identifying pitfalls and risk factors when identifying new families. Research, however, suggests that there is no difference in the success rates of the adoptions between organizations that screen heavily versus those that have more open adoption policies.

http://www.petfinder.com/statement.html
 
  • #168
Here is the ironic thing. This is from my Mother who does rescues. The Rescues go in and adopt Dogs and Cats and sign the same forms Ellen signed when they take the dogs from the pound. Then the Rescues place the dogs or cats into homes.
 
  • #169
I'm going to chime in again on this issue. You know when hubby and I were in the process of getting a dog, we first went to different shelters but the shelters only had big dogs. We can't have a big dog. We live in a very small condo with no yard, just a small patio. The PetSmart near us also had adoptions for pets. We went there a few times to check out what they had. We were both turned off by that whole process. They wouldn't let us have a dog until we filled out a bunch of paper work then we would have to wait weeks before we could get approved. What the heck? I remember when people use to give puppies away. Gosh, whatever happened to those days. Anyways, my mom also wanted to get a kitten after their yorkie died and she had the same experiece we did with the adoption. She didn't want to go through all that "red tape" just to get a kitten. AND on top that the woman was giving my mom a bad time because my mom was probbly going to keep the cat an indoor cat. So, she gave up that idea.

So, what hubby and I did was, We RESCUED our dogs from the pet store.. Yup, no problems there. NONE!!!! (hey, those dogs need rescued too) We went in, saw the puppies we wanted, went to the register, paid for them and left. We also got free vet service for a year. We have beautiful happy dogs with no problems..

As for you Ellen, here ya go :blowkiss: :blowkiss: I'm on your side. If I had to give my dogs away for whatever reason, I would make sure they were placed in a GOOD home just like you did.. But because you are famous and I'm not, you have to deal with all this BULL S*IT!!
 
  • #170
Excellent point! Ellen paid the rescue group a fee and then paid a vet to neuter the dog and a trainer to train the dog. So Ellen has paid out a lot of money to begin with. Then, when she gifted the dog to someone who would give it a good home, the rescue group lost out on a fee being paid. The rescue group took the dog back and evidently immediately placed the dog with another family. If this last family paid the rescue group a fee, then the rescue group is double-dipping.

Usually when you take an animal to the vet to be neutered, you have to sign papers as the owner of the animal to have the surgery done. If Ellen were to fight this legally, it comes down to which carries the most weight in determining ownership - the name on the micro-chip or the signature on papers as the owner authorizing a surgical procedure to be done. I've never paid someone to train a dog, but I would imagine the dog's owner would have to sign a contract with the trainer too, which is another proof of ownership.


Question: If Ellen is determined to have been the owner of Iggy due to the surgical procedures then wouldn't that make the contract of the new "owners" null and void? I ask this because it seems like the answer to all the questions being asked now is that it doesn't matter because the dog has been placed with a new family. But it would matter if Ellen could be determined as legally the owner before that 🤬🤬🤬 took Iggy away. Right??
 
  • #171
I'm going to chime in again on this issue. You know when hubby and I were in the process of getting a dog, we first went to different shelters but the shelters only had big dogs. We can't have a big dog. We live in a very small condo with no yard, just a small patio. The PetSmart near us also had adoptions for pets. We went there a few times to check out what they had. We were both turned off by that whole process. They wouldn't let us have a dog until we filled out a bunch of paper work then we would have to wait weeks before we could get approved. What the heck? I remember when people use to give puppies away. Gosh, whatever happened to those days. Anyways, my mom also wanted to get a kitten after their yorkie died and she had the same experiece we did with the adoption. She didn't want to go through all that "red tape" just to get a kitten. AND on top that the woman was giving my mom a bad time because my mom was probbly going to keep the cat an indoor cat. So, she gave up that idea.

So, what hubby and I did was, We RESCUED our dogs from the pet store.. Yup, no problems there. NONE!!!! (hey, those dogs need rescued too) We went in, saw the puppies we wanted, went to the register, paid for them and left. We also got free vet service for a year. We have beautiful happy dogs with no problems..

As for you Ellen, here ya go :blowkiss: :blowkiss: I'm on your side. If I had to give my dogs away for whatever reason, I would make sure they were placed in a GOOD home just like you did.. But because you are famous and I'm not, you have to deal with all this BULL S*IT!!

You make some good points, PaperDoll. I rescued a cat from a shelter and had a somewhat decent experience. The woman I dealt with, however, completely ignored my requests for the type of cat I wanted. I specifically told her that I was looking for a young (but definitely not a small kitten), all grey (my favorite kitty color), short haired and relatively calm female. My request for a particular color was admittedly, a shallow one, but the other requirements were based on practical matters that were important to me. She kept showing me raggy looking, crazily active, multi colored, male and female, small kittens with extra toes (YUCK!). I told her I was just too squeamish to deal with the extra toe thing and not interested in crazy kittens. So she shows me a senior, long haired part grey cat that I didn't feel any affinity for. I thanked her and said I would come back another time in the hopes that she'd have something more to my liking. As I was about to leave, she reluctantly tells me about an all grey cat in the back that I could look at. The kitty in the back was EXACTLY what I was looking for (and had ASKED for)--a four month old, all grey, shorthaired, sweet tempered female. I promptly fell in love, filled out the paper work and brought home the original Natasha-Cupcake. We all love her dearly and I'm glad things turned out the way they did. But, I was a little annoyed by the woman's obvious attempts to palm off the most undesirable animals there while hiding the exact animal that I told her I was looking for.

Fast forward to several years later. I tried the shelter route again to find a dog for my kids. Most of the animals were too big, too rambunctious, too traumatized, or too unhealthy for me to deal with. I was also put off by the offacious attitudes some of the staff had and the combersome paperwork approval process. I, too, ended up going to a small, non-chain, puppy store that deals with reputable breeders and got the exact dog that I wanted-- a sweet, small llasa apso/poodle mix, who doesn't shed, bark excessively, or knock my kids around.

I don't discourage anyone from going through a shelter or rescue organization. I think it's an admirable thing to do, but the bottom line is that you do no animal a favor if you rescue one that does not fit in with your life style or sensibilities, however shallow or noble those sensibilities may be.
 
  • #172
IMO, a contract is a contract. A contract is giving your word. A contract should be read before signing. If you can't live up to your side of the contract, you shouldn't sign it.

Maybe the hairdresser should explain to her children that the dog has to leave them because Ellen Deg. didn't live up to her contract with Mutts & Mom.
 
  • #173
So here's the question that we don't seem to have an answer to yet.. WHY didn't stupid bonehead lady consider letting the family keep it, just check out their situation and do the paperwork with them? So, her rule says 'no small kids', right?? So ism't 11 or 12 a BIG kid?? So what was her reasoning,, exactly...??

Just to be a controlling, hateful, nazi b*tch....???
 
  • #174
IMO, a contract is a contract. A contract is giving your word. A contract should be read before signing. If you can't live up to your side of the contract, you shouldn't sign it.

Maybe the hairdresser should explain to her children that the dog has to leave them because Ellen Deg. didn't live up to her contract with Mutts & Mom.

I agree with you Teedie.
 
  • #175
Just a thought, but the lady gets a second adoption fee. I know about a group of people who go out and get pedigree dogs from the pounds. Adopt them and then sell them for 200.00 (they pay 50). After they resuce the dog, they call the local rescues to have them find the homes or get them to pay thier "fees". Just makes me angry!
 
  • #176
When they didn't change the chip into Ellen's name...they breached their own contract.
 
  • #177
I'd call it false advertising. The rescue agency portrays themselves as helping animals, finding good homes for dogs. Ellen paid them money for the dog because of who it was from. But when they took the dog from a good home where it had bonded with the family, they showed that they were not concerned about finding good homes for dogs, only about what petty control issues.


Even on a contract, there's the spirit and letter of the contract. They may (and I think a judge might find the contract invalid) have had the right to yank the dog from it's home. But that violates the spirit of the contract, which is all about making sure the dog has a good home for life.
 
  • #178
  • #179
People still give kittens away - ads almost every week in the newspaper. I've dealt with a bit of the shelter people attitude - not as bad as these guys - when getting my mom her cat. For mine - sorry, I go to a breeder. My cats have always been extremely healthy, their entire lives! I lost a cat 2 years ago, my first cat from a breeder - she was a very old lady, and I'd had to give her pills exactly once in her entire life. She had no health problems other than a little bit of arthritis in her old age. It's sad that animals die, but I am a responsible pet owner, and I like my tonkinese.
 
  • #180
This woman has taken rescues all over the country and given them a black eye. I bet there is a serious drop in people adopting from them now.
 

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