Embezzlement charges: discussion, etc.

[juliagoulia]

Here's another theory....what IF Mom was a partner in the embezzlement, Janet found out and was going to expose her?? Would she want to get "rid" of this possible pesky problem of a daughter in law exposing her illegal activities??

Somehow I don't think Raven's mom was receiving any monetary benefit for allowing him to use her work address for shipping or invoice purposes (if that is indeed what occurred). I am beginning to think that the "partner" is Raven's mother, but she was not prosecuted because she was unaware of what he was up to.

Although if my son were having 20-30 pairs of shoes delivered to my office, I don't think he could explain that away to my satisfaction no matter how charming he is. Then again, she may never have known if he was just using the address for the invoice and never sent anything there.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Somehow I don't think Raven's mom was receiving any monetary benefit for allowing him to use her work address for shipping or invoice purposes (if that is indeed what occurred). I am beginning to think that the "partner" is Raven's mother, but she was not prosecuted because she was unaware of what he was up to.

Although if my son were having 20-30 pairs of shoes delivered to my office, I don't think he could explain that away to my satisfaction no matter how charming he is. Then again, she may never have known if he was just using the address for the invoice and never sent anything there.

This is certainly one of the theories that does makes sense to me as well. It's possible that Karyn Bolton was not even aware that Raven could have been using an address associated with her name, if that is what actually happened. It would certainly be convenient for Raven, in planning the embezzlement scheme, to realize that there was already an address in the Eurosport order system that he could easily use, possibly for fake invoices, orders, what have you. And, if Karyn Bolton was truly unaware, then she was perhaps simply an "unwilling and unknowing partner," thus the word "partner" could still be used, albeit loosely...this would perhaps account for the fact that there seemingly have no charges against anyone else.

IF Karyn was an active participant in the scheme, one would hope that she, too, would be facing a suspended sentence, probation, etc. In which case, the old saying, "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" would certainly come to mind!

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Somehow I don't think Raven's mom was receiving any monetary benefit for allowing him to use her work address for shipping or invoice purposes (if that is indeed what occurred). I am beginning to think that the "partner" is Raven's mother, but she was not prosecuted because she was unaware of what he was up to.

Although if my son were having 20-30 pairs of shoes delivered to my office, I don't think he could explain that away to my satisfaction no matter how charming he is. Then again, she may never have known if he was just using the address for the invoice and never sent anything there.

Ok, so much for that theory. You know her jg or at least know of her and therefore, would be in a better position to know whether she would be a participate of this.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

This is certainly one of the theories that does makes sense to me as well. It's possible that Karyn Bolton was not even aware that Raven could have been using an address associated with her name, if that is what actually happened. It would certainly be convenient for Raven, in planning the embezzlement scheme, to realize that there was already an address in the Eurosport order system that he could easily use, possibly for fake invoices, orders, what have you. And, if Karyn Bolton was truly unaware, then she was perhaps simply an "unwilling and unknowing partner," thus the word "partner" could still be used, albeit loosely...this would perhaps account for the fact that there seemingly have no charges against anyone else.

IF Karyn was an active participant in the scheme, one would hope that she, too, would be facing a suspended sentence, probation, etc. In which case, the old saying, "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" would certainly come to mind!

If Mom was an unknowing parter, then I would assume no charges would have been brought...and since there doesn't seem to be any charges against her, I guess we can conclude either she wasn't the "partner" or she was the unknowing one.

Next!

 

[ewwwinteresting]

My bet, if Raven is arrested for the murder of Janet, she'll cut her losses. Whatever's in the memorial fund he'll be able to count on and not one penny more.

Really GM...you think mom wouldn't help defend raven's innocence? Wow, if she didn't, wouldn't that be a sign of admitting his guilt!

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

If Mom was an unknowing parter, then I would assume no charges would have been brought...and since there doesn't seem to be any charges against her, I guess we can conclude either she wasn't the "partner" or she was the unknowing one.

Next!

"Next!" Ewww, I'm shocked! Moving on and giving the benefit of a doubt so quickly? That's so unlike you!

One could also wonder, I suppose, that if Karyn had any complicity with the embezzlement scheme, on any level, could Raven have covered for HER? Who knows. It does seem that these two do have an especially close relationship - who knows what one might do for the other...

 

[juliagoulia]

I would like to know where the remaining shoes were stored...the ones that Raven was required to return as part of his restitution. I don't think Raven was keeping them at his house because Janet was genuinely surprised when he was arrested. If Raven had them in NC at the time of his arrest, you would think he would have to return them almost immediately. But if they were in a different state...say UTAH...maybe it was more complicated for Eurosport to ask for them back.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

I would like to know where the remaining shoes were stored...the ones that Raven was required to return as part of his restitution. I don't think Raven was keeping them at his house because Janet was genuinely surprised when he was arrested. If Raven had them in NC at the time of his arrest, you would think he would have to return them almost immediately. But if they were in a different state...say UTAH...maybe it was more complicated for Eurosport to ask for them back.

RUMOR has it that there were shoes found in the attic at Ferrand Drive. If true, was this ALL of the shoes? Or, was there, umm, "inventory" also stored in Utah? Would be good to know, for sure!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

If any of this is indeed fact, let's just hope that poor little Kaiden is not being exposed to these sorts of, umm, "values"?, each and everyday....

If she is indeed the "partner", I hope that someone somewhere can look into this further and get some definitive proof. Because at the very least, that baby deserves to be raised by good people that will teach him good morals.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Somehow I don't think Raven's mom was receiving any monetary benefit for allowing him to use her work address for shipping or invoice purposes (if that is indeed what occurred). I am beginning to think that the "partner" is Raven's mother, but she was not prosecuted because she was unaware of what he was up to.

But didn't the article sound as if the partner knew? I remember them saying something about not knowing if the partner profited from the embezzlement.

 

[golfmom]

:waitasec:

Ok, so much for that theory. You know her jg or at least know of her and therefore, would be in a better position to know whether she would be a participate of this.

:waitasec:

:waitasec: I didn't think jg knew Karyn or even of her, but observed her at the memorial service. :waitasec:

 

[juliagoulia]

:waitasec: :waitasec:

:waitasec: I didn't think jg knew Karyn or even of her, but observed her at the memorial service. :waitasec:

I didn't/don't. I did see her at the memorial service in Buena Vista, VA, but NOT in Annandale.

 

[Jenifred]

Devil's Advocate (only one time today)

Are we really quite sure that Janet had no knowledge of Raven's embezzlement?
--huge shipments of shoes coming to the house (maybe)
--lots of extra cash (a little suspicious)
--inventory stored somewhere in the hosue (rumor)

Seriously, I think that I would have known that there was something a little off. But maybe too Janet wanted to think the best of her husband.

 

[SouthEastSleuth]

Devil's Advocate (only one time today)

Are we really quite sure that Janet had no knowledge of Raven's embezzlement?
--huge shipments of shoes coming to the house (maybe)
--lots of extra cash (a little suspicious)
--inventory stored somewhere in the hosue (rumor)

Seriously, I think that I would have known that there was something a little off. But maybe too Janet wanted to think the best of her husband.

My guess is that Janet had no idea about the embezzlement..

--huge shipments of shoes coming to the house (maybe)

Remember, there were five different counts of charges, spread over several months. So perhaps Raven was sneaking in shoes just here and there, who knows. Plus, typically at places like Eurosport, employees are often given the opportunity to make purchases at a subtantial discount, especially goods that are damaged, returned, overstocks, etc., so who knows, perhaps Raven bringing home things periodically wasn't that unusual??

--lots of extra cash (a little suspicious)

On this front I have a theory at least. It seems from everything we've heard that Raven was very controlling, in most, if not all, aspects of his and Janet's lives. It would not surprise me one bit if Raven totally controlled all aspects of their finances, to the extent that Janet may never have known how much money was in the bank, how much was going out, etc., etc. JMO though.

--inventory stored somewhere in the hosue (rumor)

Again, with the stolen good being spread over a period of months, who knows at any given time how much was actually on site. Plus, IF the good were being stored in the attic, perhaps that says a lot right there... Perhaps Janet had no reason to routinely check the attic for anything? Again, just guessing.

And I see your point Jenifred about noticing "something a little off." But, this marriage doesn't seem especially typical, if in fact Raven was THE controlling and dominating factor, in most aspects of everyday life. It makes me think that with most things anyway, whatever Raven said, was how it was going to be....and perhaps even questioning that "authority" could lead to temper, rage, even violence?, on the part of Raven. Again, JMO.

 

[lauriej]

But didn't the article sound as if the partner knew? I remember them saying something about not knowing if the partner profited from the embezzlement.

from the raleigh-news article media thread..)

"Between July and December 2004, Abaroa and a partner ordered dozens of pairs of shoes but had them delivered to his address instead of the store. From there he would sell them, pocketing the cash. The store never received the merchandise or money for it, said Jacqueline Perez, an Orange County assistant district attorney. "

...from this article, it surely sounds like the shoes were going to the NC address...
...however, we have no way of knowing what kind of story raven was telling janet about the shipments, OR if she was even aware of them............after all , they had the attic.........wasn't there also a storage shed on the property ?
...the "partner"..........now there's a person the DA should be looking at verrrrrrrrrrrrry closely........

...i find it extremely coincidental that SES uncovers the utah 2H address...........links karyn directly to it............"productivity point"...

http://www.propoint.com/ppi/index.cfm?fuseaction=ppi.content&p=corpinfo

...IT professionals.............didn't raven say he was working from home in feb/05, right after being fired, with an IT company ? in his postings on the VX site ?
...we've heard that raven's family has quit attending church out in utah........
...laying low...........this new info brings an entirely new light, and not a good one..........on his Mother for sure.............to what lengths will she go to help her son ?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

"Next!" Ewww, I'm shocked! Moving on and giving the benefit of a doubt so quickly? That's so unlike you!

One could also wonder, I suppose, that if Karyn had any complicity with the embezzlement scheme, on any level, could Raven have covered for HER? Who knows. It does seem that these two do have an especially close relationship - who knows what one might do for the other...

Oh, no worries SES, I was in an extreme relaxed state yesterday and didn't feel like taking you on Must have been the wine!

 

[ewwwinteresting]

RUMOR has it that there were shoes found in the attic at Ferrand Drive. If true, was this ALL of the shoes? Or, was there, umm, "inventory" also stored in Utah? Would be good to know, for sure!

Ok, this doesn't make sense to me. If shoes were shipped to and found in the Ferrand Drive house, LE had to have confiscated them all when they searched the house...so, to me there would be no shoes to return to ES as raven's attorney stated at the hearing, unless the shoes were stored somewhere else.

So, it makes sense that there were shoes other than the Ferrand Drive house and there is shipping info. relating to an address in Utah (apparantly where raven's mom once worked)...doesn't seem like rocket science that mom was the "partner"! Am I missing something here?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

If she is indeed the "partner", I hope that someone somewhere can look into this further and get some definitive proof. Because at the very least, that baby deserves to be raised by good people that will teach him good morals.

JG, I LOL at this one. Like we need proof that raven's mom is an embezzler partner to come to the conclusion that she is capable of raising good children and teaching them good morals. IMO, evidence is screaming from what we uncovered about raven and also from his brother's and sister's myspace account that she was definitely lacking in the parental supervision and teaching good morals category.

Whether raven is guilty or not, Kaiden should be raised by decent people such as the Christiansen family.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I didn't/don't. I did see her at the memorial service in Buena Vista, VA, but NOT in Annandale.

Oops, my bad. Sorry, cant keep track of who of us are just sleuthers and which ones know the family:doh:

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Devil's Advocate (only one time today)

Are we really quite sure that Janet had no knowledge of Raven's embezzlement?
--huge shipments of shoes coming to the house (maybe)
--lots of extra cash (a little suspicious)
--inventory stored somewhere in the hosue (rumor)

Seriously, I think that I would have known that there was something a little off. But maybe too Janet wanted to think the best of her husband.

I kinda agree with your ideas here jen...Janet could have been suspicious but didn't check it out. Sorta like don't ask, don't tell! We know she was willing to put up with his infidelity, his controlling personality, his health problems, his materialistic obsession...maybe this was just one more thing she put up with??