Emergency custody papers filed by mother of JI's son 11/14/11

[Jacie Estes]

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...rching-for-baby-lisa-ridiculous#ixzz1e1fAsduM

from websleuths approved author Isabelle Zehnder

Thank you for the link. Isabelle is the best: I've e-mailed with her on another case. She is extremely thorough and far superior to any MSM reporter. Except for Jim Spellman, he's good too. It is Spellman isn't it? I'm past tired.

 

[In da Middle]

That would be a wise thing to do; IDM is our best local in this matter.

I saw her with my own eyes! I don't need no stinkin media!

 

[AngelWings444]

That would be a wise thing to do; IDM is our best local in this matter.

In regards to him/her stating DB was wearing a Missing Lisa shirt. We are not in total agreement, but I don't believe they are lying about DB's attire. :great: Now, hope they answer if it was a younger picture shirt. Then, maybe we can tell the family member to let DB know to change her shirt. :crazy:

 

[AngelWings444]

I saw her with my own eyes! I don't need no stinkin media!

Gotcha. Was DB wearing the same ole shirt or an update picture shirt?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Actually, I read 6+ of them a day online, including the Globe & Mail and Pravda.

RR was given the opportunity, by COURT ORDER, to visit with her son. She didn't. Ironic that RR gets a pass, when she clearly did not get custody of or maintain a relationship with her son,but DB is the scourge of the earth, when there is evidence that the MW/jersey/** triumvirate had access to the area, particularly jersey. At this point in time, we don't know who took Lisa and it seems that it would be prudent to not exclude them from the equation.

BBM
I just want to say from reading your posts that it appears to me you get your information from more than just "the newspaper". Cheers.

 

[In da Middle]

Gotcha. Was DB wearing the same ole shirt or an update picture shirt?

I have not seen any different shirts. Only the one version to my knowledge. Maybe no funds to print more.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I saw her with my own eyes! I don't need no stinkin media!

:floorlaugh: OMG I've been up since 4am, had a butt load of medical tests done, including the 'butt' one [family history] and that is the first good laugh I've had today. THANK YOU [now if you could just figure a way to put some Rosedale BBQ in a mailer, without leaking, I will nominate you for sainthood.]

 

[Sparklin]

According to LE, Jersey, MW and Dane are not suspects and they have "moved on."

According to LE they have NO suspects but the posts are still making a case against D/J :waitasec:

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Reading the entire thread (or at least the portion that relates in some way to the title of the thread), I do think that we have to stop and think about what we sometimes assume and why. I'm just as guilty as anyone else, so I'm not trying to play holier-than-thou. But I sense this vibe in some posts that there MUST be something wrong with this mother for her not to have custody or not to fight for it. She MUST have a shady past, a substance abuse problem, a mental illness, something. Do you automatically assume that same thing when you hear of a family where the father is not involved? Of course not. It's that whole "cult of true womanhood" rearing its ugly head again.

I know I couldn't think of a situation where I would walk away from my children. I'm betting most here share that sentiment. But many parents male and female do just that. Sometimes for some of the reasons mentioned here, and sometimes for other reasons.

If she is fit to care for a child, then I hope that she is able to slowly re-establish a relationship with this boy. He's lost enough in his short life. Reconnecting with his mom could be very good for him.

 

[DeAnn]

According to LE, Jersey, MW and Dane are not suspects and they have "moved on."

LE has said that about Jersey. Dane is not a suspect or person of interest but KCPD to my knowledge has NOT used the "moved on" phrase about Dane, only the neighbor's husband and Jersey.

 

[StrayKat]

He needs to heal with his family. Hopefully, when Lisa is found that perpetrator can finally be charged. MOO

 

[Sparklin]

Reading the entire thread (or at least the portion that relates in some way to the title of the thread), I do think that we have to stop and think about what we sometimes assume and why. I'm just as guilty as anyone else, so I'm not trying to play holier-than-thou. But I sense this vibe in some posts that there MUST be something wrong with this mother for her not to have custody or not to fight for it. She MUST have a shady past, a substance abuse problem, a mental illness, something. Do you automatically assume that same thing when you hear of a family where the father is not involved? Of course not. It's that whole "cult of true womanhood" rearing its ugly head again.

I know I couldn't think of a situation where I would walk away from my children. I'm betting most here share that sentiment. But many parents male and female do just that. Sometimes for some of the reasons mentioned here, and sometimes for other reasons.

If she is fit to care for a child, then I hope that she is able to slowly re-establish a relationship with this boy. He's lost enough in his short life. Reconnecting with his mom could be very good for him.

I agree. However, if it was reversed, I would still not think it was a good idea to yank the child from the home and force him to live with the other parent. Dad or mom. SB#1 has not been a part of his sons life either, and I would hope that he wouldn't all of a sudden, during this traumatic situation decide to take him away from his home. I also agree that 'slowly' is the way to re-establish a relationship if all is well with her. I believe beginning to use her supervised visitations would be the first step. All moo

 

[highflyer]

You are correct, I just saw the entire video. Some of them only had her while walking to the door, you can see it other videos when she exits the vehicle.

Looks like the same old photo, yes? The one was Lisa was much younger? :waitasec:

Yes, same old photo.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I agree. However, if it was reversed, I would still not think it was a good idea to yank the child from the home and force him to live with the other parent. Dad or mom. SB#1 has not been a part of his sons life either, and I would hope that he wouldn't all of a sudden, during this traumatic situation decide to take him away from his home. I also agree that 'slowly' is the way to re-establish a relationship if all is well with her. I believe beginning to use her supervised visitations would be the first step. All moo

I'd say that right now we are of the same mind. However, if additional information were to come out about JI and DB then I might feel differently.

 

[AngelWings444]

I have not seen any different shirts. Only the one version to my knowledge. Maybe no funds to print more.

Maybe their attorney could drive a toyota or sell a suit? I'm sure if it was a priority, these parents could get new shirts. DB did have a costume for halloween, and it seems like their bills have been paid. Nobody has returned to work, unless you know otherwise.

 

[AngelWings444]

According to LE they have NO suspects but the posts are still making a case against D/J :waitasec:

Yes, no suspects. Mommy and Daddy aren't cooperating either. According to LE.

 

[DeAnn]

Besides a FB post that wasn't recently by AI, does anyone have a link to this plea by DB and JI regarding photos? I thought I heard everything Tacopina said while in KC this week and didn't hear anything regarding a plea to the media about photos.

 

[AngelWings444]

I do not believe the son should be taken away from the home, unless there is additional information that warrants his removal. I do not believe JI's son should be left in the custody and control of DB. IMO - she needs supervision when it comes to having this child with him. Furthermore, I believe the bio-Mom should start to have visits with the child, if it's safe for the child. I believe it should be monitored until the court deems otherwise. The children need to come first, their safety and well-being should be # 1 priority.

 

[In da Middle]

Maybe their attorney could drive a toyota or sell a suit? I'm sure if it was a priority, these parents could get new shirts. DB did have a costume for halloween, and it seems like their bills have been paid. Nobody has returned to work, unless you know otherwise.

Well his company van is back so I would say they are still only living paycheck to paycheck just as most of the rest of us are.

I also don't see their attorneys doing anything that doesn't benefit the attorneys.

 

[AngelWings444]

Well his company van is back so I would say they are still only living paycheck to paycheck just as most of the rest of us are.

I also don't see their attorneys doing anything that doesn't benefit the attorneys.

Like I said before, if the parent's requested new shirts, via their attorney or through Facebook, someone would provide them with updated shirts. I have no doubt. I have no doubt, if they asked their defense attorney's for updated shirts, they would have them. I'm sure they have some say so, in something, right? DB doesn't seem to be a wallflower, to me. She seems to be pretty aggressive, if you base it on her "adult time, 5-10 glass of wine, or black out" video's. JMO.

Regarding custody, since JI might be returning to work (according to you spotting his company van back), DB won't be the sole caretaker of the JI's son.