Evidence connecting JR, CWW and/or MS to one another. How/when do their paths cross?

[Dmacky]

Thank you KateB for posting that article and especially the pictures!
Now we know for sure that with hair, MS and WW looked nothing alike. Also MS was much taller than WW as a teen. I just can't shake the chills :cold: finding out that WW was ACTUALLY voted most dependable??
It seems people that knew him claimed he was likeable...that's frightening actually.
Jekyll and Hyde?

 

[Deleted member 159541]

I think that MS showed self aggrandizing behavior. I think that he could have his Missouri best friend and his best friend's wife believe that he and Teresa had "connections" and could help someone find a job. Wouldn't that make it seem that MS was such a "nice guy" who was "important" ? In reality, I doubt that help led to a job and I doubt Teresa even knew the best friend and wife all that well. This is my opinion of course. I also think it is odd to call the ex-wife of your BFF. Of course, if he was truly checking on his BFF's drug use, that would be understandable. But since MS has already shown through Skinner and KL that he had no problem pointing out the faults of CWW, I again think that part of his self aggrandizing was playing the role of the "good friend" to the "bad guy." Unless and until he needed the "bad guy's" services. Then the friendship that was tried and true all along proved very useful to MS. I think the fact that Teresa was not at the wedding of CWW, a wedding where her husband was a best man, speaks volumes. And the fact that MS couldn't be bothered to wear his wedding ring at that wedding is also very telling. Anything and everything that MS said over 12 years, while married to Teresa is suspect. So 3rd party accounts of what Teresa said or did, if they originate from MS and especially if it involves his Missouri connections are also suspect. My opinion of course.

 

[KateB]

Thank you KateB for posting that article and especially the pictures!
Now we know for sure that with hair, MS and WW looked nothing alike. Also MS was much taller than WW as a teen. I just can't shake the chills :cold: finding out that WW was ACTUALLY voted most dependable??
It seems people that knew him claimed he was likeable...that's frightening actually.
Jekyll and Hyde?

I notice MS is holding his glasses so he took them off for the photo.

I'll loan you my glasses, Dmacky. LOL. I don't think the height difference is that significant at all, and nowhere near the 5-6 inches as stated by Skinner, was it? IMO.

 

[Dmacky]

I notice MS is holding his glasses so he took them off for the photo.

I'll loan you my glasses, Dmacky. LOL. I don't think the height difference is that significant at all, and nowhere near the 5-6 inches as stated by Skinner, was it? IMO.

Yeah, maybe it's time I retire my "readers" and get real glasses. :smile:

ETA ~ plus I didn't even SEE that MS was holding glasses LOL

 

[Scout]

I think that MS showed self aggrandizing behavior. I think that he could have his Missouri best friend and his best friend's wife believe that he and Teresa had "connections" and could help someone find a job. Wouldn't that make it seem that MS was such a "nice guy" who was "important" ? In reality, I doubt that help led to a job and I doubt Teresa even knew the best friend and wife all that well. This is my opinion of course. I also think it is odd to call the ex-wife of your BFF. Of course, if he was truly checking on his BFF's drug use, that would be understandable. But since MS has already shown through Skinner and KL that he had no problem pointing out the faults of CWW, I again think that part of his self aggrandizing was playing the role of the "good friend" to the "bad guy." Unless and until he needed the "bad guy's" services. Then the friendship that was tried and true all along proved very useful to MS. I think the fact that Teresa was not at the wedding of CWW, a wedding where her husband was a best man, speaks volumes. And the fact that MS couldn't be bothered to wear his wedding ring at that wedding is also very telling. Anything and everything that MS said over 12 years, while married to Teresa is suspect. So 3rd party accounts of what Teresa said or did, if they originate from MS and especially if it involves his Missouri connections are also suspect. My opinion of course.

Don't have a thanks for this post button. So I'll just post my thanks. It seems like everything you post are exactly my thoughts and impressions. I'm only observing from the outside. It's good to have my perceptions confirmed by someone close to Dr. Sievers. Thank you for sharing your perspective, AmazonRain.

 

[relay]

I notice MS is holding his glasses so he took them off for the photo.

I'll loan you my glasses, Dmacky. LOL. I don't think the height difference is that significant at all, and nowhere near the 5-6 inches as stated by Skinner, was it? IMO.

It looks like MS is only about 2 inches taller than CWW which I don't see as significant either.

 

[Stopwatch]

It looks like MS is only about 2 inches taller than CWW which I don't see as significant either.

I agree, it doesn't look significant in this picture. And MS is in the foreground, and we can't see their feet (they could be standing on uneven ground). I think we won't know for sure unless it comes up in the trial.

 

[Dmacky]

It looks like MS is only about 2 inches taller than CWW which I don't see as significant either.

I agree, it doesn't look significant in this picture. And MS is in the foreground, and we can't see their feet (they could be standing on uneven ground). I think we won't know for sure unless it comes up in the trial.

In my defense,
I certainly didn't mean to imply that there was a 5-6 inch difference in their heights as teens. I used the word "much" taller, when I should have just said taller. I honestly had forgotten about what Skinner had even said.
OT
Please mods let me get this all out, as I feel I have little chance of winning no matter what I say.
irishschook ~ There was no joke on you. I knew that the poster that confused you meant no harm. I was only telling you that because I wasn't sure if that poster would be checking back in later to explain it. I was not being caddy. CATTY

CWW getting "Most Dependable" in his senior class means nothing.
Case in point ME. I got best personality/wittiest in my senior year of HS.
Using my "humor" I responded to a post and completely, although unintentionally hurt a certain poster here very badly, one that I was quite fond of. I have apologized, cried and even lost sleep over this, but I know that once those words were said, there was nothing I could do to take them back.
I need to choose my words more carefully.

 

[irishchook]

In my defense,
I certainly didn't mean to imply that there was a 5-6 inch difference in their heights as teens. I used the word "much" taller, when I should have just said taller. I honestly had forgotten about what Skinner had even said.
OT
Please mods let me get this all out, as I feel I have little chance of winning no matter what I say.
irishschook There was no joke on you. I knew that the poster that confused you meant no harm. I was only telling you that because I wasn't sure if that poster would be checking back in later to explain it. I was not being caddy.

CWW getting "Most Dependable" in his senior class means nothing.
Case in point ME. I got best personality/wittiest in my senior year of HS.
Using my "humor" I responded to a post and completely although unintentionally hurt a certain poster here very badly, that I was quite fond of. I have apologized, cried and even lost sleep over this, but I know that once the words were said, it was something I could not take back.
I need to choose my words more carefully.

No worries, Dmacky. All is good [emoji106] [emoji126]

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[relay]

In my defense,
I certainly didn't mean to imply that there was a 5-6 inch difference in their heights as teens. I used the word "much" taller, when I should have just said taller. I honestly had forgotten about what Skinner had even said.
OT
Please mods let me get this all out, as I feel I have little chance of winning no matter what I say.
irishschook ~ There was no joke on you. I knew that the poster that confused you meant no harm. I was only telling you that because I wasn't sure if that poster would be checking back in later to explain it. I was not being caddy.

CWW getting "Most Dependable" in his senior class means nothing.
Case in point ME. I got best personality/wittiest in my senior year of HS.
Using my "humor" I responded to a post and completely although unintentionally hurt a certain poster here very badly, one that I was quite fond of. I have apologized, cried and even lost sleep over this, but I know that once the words were said, it was something I could not take back.
I need to choose my words more carefully.

Dmacky, from your very first post that I read, I got the sense that you were and are a good and caring person :blowkiss:.

 

[FelicityLemon]

I've never heard a bi-polar described as a fault of someone or as a criticism of any kind - it's merely an observation by MS related to us by KL (I'm assuming MS based it on his relationship with CWW) that may help explain his behavior. We don't know that MS wasn't trying to make excuses for CWW and hope that KL would reconsider the marriage and try to help CWW get professional help. I don't consider commiserating with someone and discussing the obvious emotional problems of a spouse as pointing out someone's faults nor is it gossip. Would it have been compassionate to ignore the elephant in the room? As for his conversation with KL in which he gives his non-professional opinion on CWW's possible emotional or mental problem, that's exactly what we are doing here, except that MS is in the better position to know him than we are, lol! :silly:

MS was not CWW's best man. I thought and posted the same thing but it's incorrect; either the MIL misspoke or the author misunderstood or wrote it incorrectly. My husband has gone to many, many functions without me and I without him. I have zero problem with him doing things with his friends when I either can't go, don't want to go, or want to spend time with specific people. We are both independent people confident in our marriage to not be tethered at the hip and who are still in love enough to be teased as being "Schmoopie" (thank you Seinfeld) even after 15 years together. In no way is being independent and doing things apart to be interpreted as having an open marriage. So many men wear a wedding ring for only a short time after the ceremony and then nevermore. Maybe MS hadn't worn it for years, but is wearing it now for himself and his girls, but not to make a public show. He can't be doing it for public consumption because people are continually griping about his NOT making public appearances, appeals for information, professing love and admiration for everyone who helped, groveling, weeping, wailing, whining, and writhing prostate on the ground, gnashing his teeth. I was about to include pulling his hair out, but y'know...

and omg - YES! Corey Fox sportin' the same look. That would make for an interesting lineup!

I could be wrong, but I thought KL did get a job out of it? I have to go find that article again for my own knowledge. :lookingitup:

hee hee I love these WS emoticons!

 

[irishchook]

Whoa! You're on fire! Not sure if CWW is bipolar. I'm just getting a kick, right now, of schmoopie!

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[FelicityLemon]

Whoa! You're on fire! Not sure if CWW is bipolar. I'm just getting a kick, right now, of schmoopie!

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I have no clue about CWW mental/emotional health - just an example. Someone made a comment a few days ago about MS giving his non-professional opinion on CWW's mental health status and it made me laugh because that's what we all do here! Argh. The Schmoopie came about at one family Christmas party. DH and I are affectionate, but not gross or anything like that - we're older adults he's 50, I'm 58 (and definitely not always mature, lol) and DH had brought me a cup of coffee, kissed my cheek and whispered that he loved me (We do that for no other reason than sometimes it just strikes us as phenomenal that we're still together and it makes us happy and slightly silly). My sister's eyes got large, she laughed, pointed at us and announced loudly to the room "they're Schmoopie!" - Grrreeeeaaaat. We've been marked. We've always said we'll still hold hands when we walk when we're in our 90s. It might be for balance, but it'll count as holding hands.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

 

[Webjunkie]

I've never heard a bi-polar described as a fault of someone or as a criticism of any kind - it's merely an observation (based on MS relationship with CWW) that may help explain his behavior. We don't know that MS wasn't trying to make excuses for CWW and hope that KL would reconsider the marriage and try to help CWW get professional help. I don't consider commiserating with someone and discussing the obvious emotional problems of a spouse as pointing out someone's faults nor is it gossip. Would it have been compassionate to ignore the elephant in the room? As for his conversation with KL in which he gives his non-professional opinion on CWW's possible emotional or mental problem, that's exactly what we are doing here, except that MS is in the better position to know him than we are, lol! :silly:

MS was not CWW's best man. I thought and posted the same thing but it's incorrect; either the MIL misspoke or the author misunderstood or wrote it incorrectly. My husband has gone to many, many functions without me and I without him. I have zero problem with him doing things with his friends when I either can't go, don't want to go, or want to spend time with specific people. We are both independent people confident in our marriage to not be tethered at the hip and who are still in love enough to be teased as being "Schmoopie" (thank you Seinfeld) even after 15 years together. In no way is being independent and doing things apart to be interpreted as having an open marriage. So many men wear a wedding ring for only a short time after the ceremony and then nevermore. Maybe MS hadn't worn it for years, but is wearing it now for himself and his girls, but not to make a public show. He can't be doing it for public consumption because people are continually griping about his NOT making public appearances, appeals for information, professing love and admiration for everyone who helped, groveling, weeping, wailing, whining, and writhing prostate on the ground, gnashing his teeth. I was about to include pulling his hair out, but y'know...

and omg - YES! Corey Fox sportin' the same look. That would make for an interesting lineup!

I could be wrong, but I thought KL did get a job out of it? I have to go find that article again for my own knowledge. :lookingitup:

hee hee I love these WS emoticons!

I like your post, and agreeing again that MS probably went without his ring a lot because there was no tan line or indentation marks on the finger. Maybe if he lived in Alaska...but not in FL! After 12 years, I guarantee there would be a visible line on that finger. Just sayin' the Mrs. knew about that one...

 

[No it's not]

I've never heard a bi-polar described as a fault of someone or as a criticism of any kind - it's merely an observation (based on MS relationship with CWW) that may help explain his behavior. We don't know that MS wasn't trying to make excuses for CWW and hope that KL would reconsider the marriage and try to help CWW get professional help. I don't consider commiserating with someone and discussing the obvious emotional problems of a spouse as pointing out someone's faults nor is it gossip. Would it have been compassionate to ignore the elephant in the room? As for his conversation with KL in which he gives his non-professional opinion on CWW's possible emotional or mental problem, that's exactly what we are doing here, except that MS is in the better position to know him than we are, lol! :silly:

MS was not CWW's best man. I thought and posted the same thing but it's incorrect; either the MIL misspoke or the author misunderstood or wrote it incorrectly. My husband has gone to many, many functions without me and I without him. I have zero problem with him doing things with his friends when I either can't go, don't want to go, or want to spend time with specific people. We are both independent people confident in our marriage to not be tethered at the hip and who are still in love enough to be teased as being "Schmoopie" (thank you Seinfeld) even after 15 years together. In no way is being independent and doing things apart to be interpreted as having an open marriage. So many men wear a wedding ring for only a short time after the ceremony and then nevermore. Maybe MS hadn't worn it for years, but is wearing it now for himself and his girls, but not to make a public show. He can't be doing it for public consumption because people are continually griping about his NOT making public appearances, appeals for information, professing love and admiration for everyone who helped, groveling, weeping, wailing, whining, and writhing prostate on the ground, gnashing his teeth. I was about to include pulling his hair out, but y'know...

and omg - YES! Corey Fox sportin' the same look. That would make for an interesting lineup!

I could be wrong, but I thought KL did get a job out of it? I have to go find that article again for my own knowledge. :lookingitup:

hee hee I love these WS emoticons!

Ring:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tman-hammer-attack-murder-Teresa-Sievers.html

 

[Webjunkie]

Ring:

I'm from the Show-Me State, so show me that tan line, not the stupid ring... Living in FL, that little piggy would have a bright white neon-like glow if he wore it all the time.

 

[No it's not]

Being from the Show-Me State, show me that tan line, not the ring... In FL, that little piggy would have a bright white neon-like glow if he wore it all the time.

I posted the picture to show he was wearing a ring in a photograph with Dr Sievers. Here is an earlier photograph:

[video=youtube;qmWalHDAZSA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmWalHDAZSA[/video]

-Nin

 

[Bobbywoo]

BBM. I think its strange how CWW has an open distaste for TS, and she helped his wife find a job in the medical field. Presumably he's telling the ex wife, a recipient of kindness from TS, that he 'doesn't care for her' but gladly uses TS's connections. IMO, the same person who influenced CWW's 'dislike' of TS, asked her for that favor.

Also, why is MS so concerned about CWW? He may be a great friend, very concerned but I don't know. Seems a little overboard - calling his ex to find out what went wrong, diagnosing CWW as bipolar. On the other hand, if he was just concerned with policing his friend's drug use, it wouldn't be such odd, almost controlling behavior.

Agree about the distaste part of your post.
On your second paragraph I initially didn't find it strange because I assumed the ex wife was also a friend (since school?) of MS. I have nothing to verify my assumption, it was just a hunch since it seems like everyone it that area knows each other. On the other hand, if he didn't know her well it would seem a bit creepy IMO

 

[Bobbywoo]

The Graphic was sent in to Mss Lipscomb by "@laceyhoop",.."Special thanks to ..":

https://twitter.com/jessicalipscomb?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^ serp|twgr^author

And yes, she IS good!

-Nin

PS.:

Post from Oct. 9th

Jessica Lipscomb ‏@jessicalipscomb [video=twitter;652497191316144128]https://twitter.com/jessicalipscomb/status/652497191316144128[/video]
Thanks for all the follows, WS people! PS, when I said last night I didn't have a Sievers story for today, I wasn't lying. Very last minute.

Jessica L. Is fantastic! I wonder who @lacyhoop is and if she reads here. She would fit right in

 

[Arachne 1]

Ring:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tman-hammer-attack-murder-Teresa-Sievers.html

They looked very happy.