Evidence of Heart Shaped Sticker on Duct Tape Destroyed

[MissJames]

I thought I read that there was another piece of dna that they dont know who it belongs to. I will go find the link

If you read all the way through the docs related to the unknown dna you will see it's found to be one of the FBI personnel.They even name her.I'll look ,also.There are refences to this in the doc thread

 

[celticthyme]

Not that smart,
There are hundreds of documents in the forensic threads about results from the mountains of evidence collected by various Law Enforcement agencies from the crime scenes. It is overwhelming. It takes a lot of time and digging to read all of this information. The other unfortunate thing, is that after the child was dumped at the end of Anthony's street, the animals and the elements went after the body. Then there were the storms the summer of 2008 in Florida, and that entire area in the swamp off Suburban was under water. All of the evidence was severely damaged and compromised, so they are lucky to have anything to go on. Happy digging!

 

[MissJames]

I thought I read that there was another piece of dna that they dont know who it belongs to. I will go find the link

starting at 8706 I believe ETA oops 8106 sorry
http://www.filedropper.com/8101-8200dgatorinvestigations2

They tracked it down to someone at the fbi who handled it.

 

[lin]

Pic #12 at that link is a picture of the sticker backer still in the "Caylee" box, on top of Grandma Shirley's letter. It is not stuck to the letter, because the backing is still attached.

Pic #48 is a picture of the same sticker backer all by itself (taken out of the box).

As usual, I agree with you, AZlawyer. I understand and agree that you're referencing the backing, the part of the page from which a sticker was removed and not to an actual sticker.

I've done scrapbooking myself as have my adult daughters and have done as another poster suggested and kept "frames" to be used another day. However, we didn't separate those scraps to be reused into a box away from other supplies and instead put in a box where we kept keepsakes specific to one child. jmo.

 

[whiteangora]

Thank you for correcting me on that. I guess I need to hear it from Casey herself in a police interview to believe it.

WHAT? :floorlaugh:
Why would you or anyone believe anything Ms. :liar: says?
She is nothing more than an expert :spinner:

 

[lin]

I thought she wanted to bring the police there to show them her "office" and her missing black jack. Or at least that is what she told them.
She was caught in a lie, and that was her way out of the lie, imo.

Casey was caught red handed telling lie upon lie.
Look at tapes to find caylee? I dont' think so.

That's what I just can't wrap my mind around about some of these type of theories -- IF anything KC had said were true, seems like there would be some evidence of it, kwim? And yet there is none of which I'm aware. The defense has the best resource, KC herself and yet haven't been able to track anything down yet, to my knowledge. No mother Gloria, sister Sam, etc. No invisinanny or ZG. Sure, KC could have wanted to look at tapes but she didn't say that until she got busted with all of her lies. Kind of makes it look like an excuse instead of purpose. Correction, not kind of, it is an excuse and not a purpose. If she was sincerely looking for Caylee, (for the first of 32 days and counting) she could have said from the outset she had no idea but wanted to look at tapes. She didn't do that.

NOTHING has been up front with KC it's all been after the fact trying to cover up for the previous lies. No other way to view it, imo. And there can only be one reason for the lying, imo and that is her own guilt in the murder of her child.

 

[lin]

I am not sure how to reply to a particular post. I will try to go through this one.
Okay first paragraph. Is there proof that those are the trash bags from the house? Trash bags with yellow handles? Give me a break thier in several stores. The laundry bag? The police say similar, that is a generic statement. Duct tape? yes I agree the abducter used duct tape. I guess I think she was abducted from the nanny not casey. I am not surprised to see a blanket or toy. Yes she was on the phone a lot, so when did she kill her? Or do you believe she killed her while on the phone?

Second paragraph. The smell came from rotten trash or perhaps she ran over a couple of animals. She did get two flat tires at the same time. Thats not easy. Tony's trash came out of his kitchen. Could be just rotten food. He gave a valid reason for her to have the trash.

3rd paragraph. Yes she goes about her business. She thinks Caylee is fine at the Nanny's.

4th paragraph. Yes she loses her car by running out of gas. I wouldn't call le either. I would let dad take care of it. Yes, she believes Caylee is at the theme parks and she tells her friends.

Some kids lie to thier parents because it is easier. I hope everybody is right and Casey did it, but I need some real evidence. I think her story makes sense. Lee may have come up with a different story, but I have not heard Casey steer from her original story which makes sense to me. sorry I think some of you are angry because Casey partied afterwards. I can understand that. Lets keep our heads and get to the truth. I appreciate everyones patience. It is so much better than the newspaper blogs where it looks like a linch mob.

Let's not get lost in trashbags and other small things: Do you have any evidence of an abduction? Do you have any evidence of a nanny?

The original comments on the car smell came from KC herself in texts to a friend complaining of a dead animal smell. It was not food, per KC.
The next comments came from KC's parents who both have experience in such things and both complained it was a dead body. GA was terrified that one or both would be in the trunk deceased when it was opened at the towyard because of the human decomp smell.
Detectives experienced with deceased bodies and the overwhelming stench also noticed it coming from the vehicle.
Cadaver dogs trained to differentiate the smell of human decomp from other smells alerted on the vehicle.
Air sample tests confirmed all the eyewitness (nose witness?) reports and the cadaver dog hits.

Do you have any evidence everyone, including KC, was wrong about the smell and it is food?

I don't think the theory that KC thought Caylee was safe with someone else holds water either. Has any parent here ever gone 31 days without seeing or speaking to their 2 year old child for any reason, including their own extended hospitalization/severe illness?

After going for over a month with zero contact with their toddler, has any parent here fabricated a call from said toddler when questioned by LE or anyone else about the current status of the toddler?

 

[Reagan]

Pic #12 at that link is a picture of the sticker backer still in the "Caylee" box, on top of Grandma Shirley's letter. It is not stuck to the letter, because the backing is still attached.

Pic #48 is a picture of the same sticker backer all by itself (taken out of the box).

Thanks for the reply. I see what you mean now. And you're right, the backing is still there. That's strange... to cut out that sticker and keep the outline.

I had been anxiously awaiting your reply but never saw it! :waitasec: Had lin not quoted your response, I would've never seen it. Anywho, thanks again.


whiteangora, couldn't have said it better myself. The only thing I believe in KC's police interviews is where she confirms her name is in fact Casey Anthony. Even then I'm suspicious! After being called out on her lies and admitting that she was purposefully misleading investigators she goes on to tell the same exact lies in the very same breath. I've never seen anything like it in my life.

 

[ZsaZsa]

No trace of dead squirrels or any other animal was found in that car.
If you need a document to prove that I'm afraid you will have to look it up.

 

[MissJames]

Let's not get lost in trashbags and other small things: Do you have any evidence of an abduction? Do you have any evidence of a nanny?

The original comments on the car smell came from KC herself in texts to a friend complaining of a dead animal smell. It was not food, per KC.
The next comments came from KC's parents who both have experience in such things and both complained it was a dead body. GA was terrified that one or both would be in the trunk deceased when it was opened at the towyard because of the human decomp smell.
Detectives experienced with deceased bodies and the overwhelming stench also noticed it coming from the vehicle.
Cadaver dogs trained to differentiate the smell of human decomp from other smells alerted on the vehicle.
Air sample tests confirmed all the eyewitness (nose witness?) reports and the cadaver dog hits.

Do you have any evidence everyone, including KC, was wrong about the smell and it is food?

I don't think the theory that KC thought Caylee was safe with someone else holds water either. Has any parent here ever gone 31 days without seeing or speaking to their 2 year old child for any reason, including their own extended hospitalization/severe illness?

After going for over a month with zero contact with their toddler, has any parent here fabricated a call from said toddler when questioned by LE or anyone else about the current status of the toddler?

No contact is key here.no phone records with communications between KC and Zanny.If Zanny had Caylee all that time when did they talk? How did KC know they were at the beach or the theme parks?Also, KC told friends at times,during those 31 days, that Caylee was with Cindy and Cindy has denied that. Cindy also relayed the Tampa story with the car accident and Zanny hospitalization,but there's no record of any of that happening.Where are ANY of the people who can back up KC's story?Supposedly Julliett and Jeff know Zanny .Where are they?

 

[lin]

After reading the media reports and this thread, I've thought about the heart sticker and it's importance to this case. I've come to the conclusion that the heart sticker is not a case-breaker.

While the heart sticker, evidently placed over the duct tape and positioned over Caylee's mouth was a shocking discovery, it's not this case in total. I don't fault the lab worker, trying to lift a fingerprint from the sticker residue, for destroying it in the process. Accidents happen and that duct tape was subjected to being immersed in water for many months.

The defense is making a major issue over the heart sticker residue being destroyed in the process of examination by a trained lab technician. The defense is implying that this was a deliberate destruction of evidence (that in reality only hurt the defense case). But in the long run, the heart sticker won't matter because it's only a small part of the total case.

When you consider.................

*That Casey failed to report her daughter missing for 31 days.
*That Casey lied about a non-existent nanny kidnapping Caylee.
*That Casey lied about having a job.
*That Casey spent those 31 days partying and playing house with TL.
*That Casey's car had a strong odor of human decomposition.
*That a hair from a deceased Caylee was found in Casey's trunk.
*That cadaver dogs hit on 3 different locations in the Anthony yard.
*That cadaver dogs hit on the trunk of Casey's car.
*That computer forensics uncover searches for chloroform, neck-breaking and the use of household items as weapons.
*That Caylee's remains were found around the corner from her home.
*That Caylee's remains were found with items from the Anthony home.
*That Caylee's head was wrapped in duct tape covering her mouth and nose.
*That Casey has never shown any emotion over the loss of Caylee.

When you consider all of the above, and more I didn't include, the heart sticker residue becomes only one small part of the case in total. While it's disappointing that the heart sticker residue was destroyed in the process of lab analysis, it won't change the outcome of the case. The prosecution's case is strong and I'm sure will lead to a conviction.

Thanks for the reality check! This sticker or lack of it is such a minor, minor thing in the big picture of the murder of this child, clearly by her own mother. Just as clearly, imo, her grandparents care only about the money this murder brings to them instead of that poor baby. It sickens me to no end how they seek to profit from her murder even to the degree of defending her murderer for fear a conviction may affect their profit margin, imo.

 

[strach304]

Let's not get lost in trashbags and other small things: Do you have any evidence of an abduction? Do you have any evidence of a nanny?

The original comments on the car smell came from KC herself in texts to a friend complaining of a dead animal smell. It was not food, per KC.
The next comments came from KC's parents who both have experience in such things and both complained it was a dead body. GA was terrified that one or both would be in the trunk deceased when it was opened at the towyard because of the human decomp smell.
Detectives experienced with deceased bodies and the overwhelming stench also noticed it coming from the vehicle.
Cadaver dogs trained to differentiate the smell of human decomp from other smells alerted on the vehicle.
Air sample tests confirmed all the eyewitness (nose witness?) reports and the cadaver dog hits.

Do you have any evidence everyone, including KC, was wrong about the smell and it is food?

I don't think the theory that KC thought Caylee was safe with someone else holds water either. Has any parent here ever gone 31 days without seeing or speaking to their 2 year old child for any reason, including their own extended hospitalization/severe illness?

After going for over a month with zero contact with their toddler, has any parent here fabricated a call from said toddler when questioned by LE or anyone else about the current status of the toddler?

Not to mention under the premise of either "abduction story" there was no valid reason to feel that the child was safe. Either she disappeared without a trace from Sawgrass and couldn't be found during Casey's "searches". The other "abduction story" entailed being physically accosted and having your child taken to teach her a lesson. Then add in the supposed call from Caylee to Casey on the 15th that there's no trace of and Caylee didn't seem to miss her mother of the year Mom.

 

[lin]

I am not playing devils advocate. I want the police to get it right. Putting the wrong person in jail is a bad thing for all of us. Casey's story is the only thing that makes sense out of this whole thing. Everything else is bizzare.

She thought everything was fine until some point she got worried. She did not report to the police in fear of Caylee getting hurt. ( once police get involved, people end up dead. that is fact)

She recognized right away that the police were going to blame her. She clammed up and got a lawyer who stopped her from talking to them. They should have never interogated her like that. They should have worked with her. If she is guilty, the evidence will show.

Think about her story, then think about all the other stories. Hers makes sense. I dont think the police ever did look for a nanny which worries me. I am on a fact finding mission.

I would like to see cause of death, motive, time of death. The generic statement that there is no Zfg and Jeffery Hopkins is a lie. There are several of both. I want the truth.

BBM

If this is true, why can't the defense produce them? KC won't tell them either? How many people would have to be involved for this conspiracy to have unfolded as it did?

 

[lin]

If you check back on some of the many threads listed here regarding the Nanny you will see there was no nanny, no records, no Jeff H with a son, Zack, no job so no real reason to have a nanny. If you still think someone abducted Caylee then there should be no reason for a change of venue for the simple fact that there are people out there who just have not done much research on this case. No offense intended. But I believe this topic is way OT which leads me to believe you may be just "pulling our leg".

Great point! Why would an unemployed thief need a babysitter and how would she pay for one? According to the grandparents they provided the child care most of the time anyway, so I'm not seeing how one would be needed for whatever she did when she was not working or actively stealing. Just the idea of a sitter for someone without a job, unemployed for years, and without any money makes no sense to me. She needed a sitter to watch the baby while she stole money to pay her? <joking>

 

[lin]

Unfortunately the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers!!!!!!!

Start at the very beginning of these threads and work your way up to today and you will find as close to the truth as you can get. If the truth is that important to you as it is to everyone here go back in the threads and check out your questions because there are answers there. FYI: There is no ZFG and Jeff H is not a generic statement. KC claims to have known both and there is no record of either one of them as she presented the info to the police.....remember ZFG is a perfect 10. She does know a Jeff H and she did talk to him but he does not have a child and she claims it's another Jeff H who lives in Jacksonville. Did not check out. You may be able to fool people once and it's shame on you....when you fool a person twice...it's shame on them. Have you ever known anyone who has know so many people that have evaporated in thin air. bosses, friends, nannies. She also pleaded "not guilty" in her fraud case. So her signing her name to someone else's check and emptying out that person's checking account was an act of kindness? You be the judge.

Yeah, sure is strange there are no telephone calls, no computer contact, nothing at all found with these people, not to mention no one else on the face of the earth ever laid eyes on them, if any are real.

ETA: Sorry for straying off topic. I guess my point in discussing these other issues is that the heart sticker is one of the least of KC's worries. The nonexistant witnesses, the imaginanny and lack of any credible alternate theory is a big problem though.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Cindy asserted that she had Zanny's phone number at home and she was aware who she was.... strange that she has never produced that number don't you think? Or called her, ever..

 

[lin]

I will check there in the threads. Did the police prove there is no Jeff Hopkins with a son Zack? I mean I hope they didn't just check one Jeff Hopkins. That would be like checking one John Smith.

Are there threads that prove there was no nanny? I mean official discovery? Can you send me that link? I am not pulling anyones leg here. I think it is possible that LE has made a horrible mistake here. If they have, they have made fools out of all of us. I just want to be sure. I will go and check the other threads, but if anyone has a link to some kind of proof that there is no nanny, please send it to me.

If there really is a JH, why can't KC produce him or provide information so that he could be found? The information she did provide was false...

ETA: Not my job to prove there isn't a nanny; it's KC's job to prove one ever existed and she can't because it was an imaginanny. Can't prove that kind of a negative, kwim? All we can say is that KC hasn't provided a single bit of useful information in finding the person she claims was her babysitter for over a year. And no one, not even the grandparents, ever laid eyes on the babysitter and Caylee never spoke about her to anyone.

2nd ETA: Again, sorry for so offtopic folks but really, compared to this other nonsense, does a sticker seem important?

 

[notthatsmart]

starting at 8706 I believe ETA oops 8106 sorry
http://www.filedropper.com/8101-8200dgatorinvestigations2

They tracked it down to someone at the fbi who handled it.

Here is the story I read. Take it for what it is worth, it Pipitone.
link
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21158117/detail.html

Two pieces of DNA were found on the duct tape attached to Caylee's skull, the same brand and type as that one found on a gas can in the Anthony family's east Orange County home, Pipitone reported.
But neither piece shows traces of Casey Anthony, according to documents released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.
One DNA sample was traced to an FBI lab analyst who accidentally contaminated the outside of the duct tape during testing, the documents stated. But an FBI lab report showing a fragment of DNA represented by the number 17 was found on the underside, the adhesive side.
Local 6 showed it and other test results to John Jay College Professor Henrietta Nunno, who said it could be a big break for Casey Anthony's defense team.
"So it's not Casey. It's not Caylee. It's not Cindy. It's not George. And it's not the FBI analyst?" Pipitone asked.
"I would agree with that, yes," Nunno said. "Someone who is not one of those people did leave DNA on the tape. Whether it was the perpetrator of the crime or another person who examined it, I guess we don't know."
The amount of DNA is so small that it can't be used to identify whether it is from another FBI analyst.


Looking for comments on this. Or did I read it wrong.

 

[lin]

Notthatsmart,
I believe all of us want the LE to get the right person.

You might want to keep in mind, when LE was talking to KC, it wasn't to convict her. It was to find her Baby. The little girl who was missing.

The LE took what she said, and hot tailed it out to the streets. Only to find out that EVERYTHING she said was a lie.

And you believe this was done, cause KC knew she was going to be accused... Of what??

At this point, we are only looking for a missing child.

If she was in that mental state, where she was worried about being blamed.. then she must have known exactly what she was going to get blamed for.. and THAT was what she was worried about.. and not finding the child she knows she will be blamed for...

Hence, why would she even need them to look at the tapes??

And way.. tons of threads. You'll find some discussing this in depth so that you can see that not only the LE, but the WS also did our best to investigate what KC said, etc. She isn't being railroaded. That is for sure.

Kind of like that overreaction on December 11, 2008, right? Now that's a tape I want to see... And way more important to this case than the sticker residue, imo.

 

[coco puff]

I am not sure how to reply to a particular post. I will try to go through this one.
Okay first paragraph. Is there proof that those are the trash bags from the house? Trash bags with yellow handles? Give me a break thier in several stores. The laundry bag? The police say similar, that is a generic statement. Duct tape? yes I agree the abducter used duct tape. I guess I think she was abducted from the nanny not casey. I am not surprised to see a blanket or toy. Yes she was on the phone a lot, so when did she kill her? Or do you believe she killed her while on the phone?

Second paragraph. The smell came from rotten trash or perhaps she ran over a couple of animals. She did get two flat tires at the same time. Thats not easy. Tony's trash came out of his kitchen. Could be just rotten food. He gave a valid reason for her to have the trash.

3rd paragraph. Yes she goes about her business. She thinks Caylee is fine at the Nanny's.

4th paragraph. Yes she loses her car by running out of gas. I wouldn't call le either. I would let dad take care of it. Yes, she believes Caylee is at the theme parks and she tells her friends.

Some kids lie to thier parents because it is easier. I hope everybody is right and Casey did it, but I need some real evidence. I think her story makes sense. Lee may have come up with a different story, but I have not heard Casey steer from her original story which makes sense to me. sorry I think some of you are angry because Casey partied afterwards. I can understand that. Lets keep our heads and get to the truth. I appreciate everyones patience. It is so much better than the newspaper blogs where it looks like a linch mob.

First Bold: KC's original story:

I dropped Caylee off at the nanny's appt at sawgrass on my way to work.....

hmmmmm, maybe she has not veered from it but it sure isn't the truth, NONE of it.

Second Bold. I'm upset because a mother failed to protect her daughter from harm. simple as that!