EVIDENCE - Pro and Con

[Knox]

Question for all you wonderfully smart people.

Has anyone given any thought to Tammy's comment outburst at the last bond hearing? It was like she NEEDED everyone to KNOW that LE had offered HER the same thing as SM had been offered (that being if she would tell on SM she could walk and not be charged). I keep wondering why THAT was important enough for her to blurt out in court over. KWIM? The look on her face when she said it makes me think she felt some level of importance that fact be known?

Tammy's family visited with her in jail.
One of her family members commented recently on a fb page, that many felt Sid had rolled over on Tammy. She emphatically denied that was true.
I think family has clued her in on public opinion all along.

 

[jillycat]

I recall this. But LE changes their mind from time to time. Or they may actually have some evidence that points to Heather being taken from PTL. This trial will be quite interesting.

Especially if they keep changing their mind.

 

[2Hope4]

All I know is that has to be just devastating to the Elvis family. To think you're safe, your remaining daughter is safe, because those two were in jail, and to now know they're out...well I hope tempers have settled down. But the pain of losing Heather is still there. Not knowing where her body was put would crush just about anyone.

But I'm nervous about this case.

I truly don't understand the judge's decision. Maybe he doesn't want anything that could bring up an appeal later, but we've seen many perps that don't get a bond, or it's so high they can't get out.

I pray the evidence here isn't falling apart. I pray it's just some legalese that I don't understand, and the judge didn't want the state presented more evidence right now. The evidence was there to get the charges. Is the same evidence there now? I don't know. I hate this darn gag order!

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't think the Elvis family has anything to worry about in terms of their own safety from the defendants directly. The Moorer family is being closely monitored and their ankle bracelets are tracking their every movement, so LE will know if they go anywhere near the Elvis family. Whatever crazies out there were already out there.

The real devastation for the family is, I imagine, the loss of their precious daughter and their inability to give her a proper burial.

 

[stillwatersc]

LE said during the early investigation that they didn't believe she was in or had been near the water.

I believe they used search dogs. The dogs may have indicated that Heather's scent went from her car to where another vehicle would likely be & not to the water.

 

[TedMac]

Question for all you wonderfully smart people.

Has anyone given any thought to Tammy's comment outburst at the last bond hearing? It was like she NEEDED everyone to KNOW that LE had offered HER the same thing as SM had been offered (that being if she would tell on SM she could walk and not be charged). I keep wondering why THAT was important enough for her to blurt out in court over. KWIM? The look on her face when she said it makes me think she felt some level of importance that fact be known?

BBM After thinking on this for a few of days, I am starting to wonder (assuming if what she blurted out in Court is true) that by offering her freedom from jail and no criminal charges, LE believes that SM is actually the killer and TM was nothing more than an accomplice?

I know what a narcissist and liar she is and it could have all been fabricated by her.

What are everyone's thoughts on that?

 

[tarheelslim]

Question for all you wonderfully smart people.

Has anyone given any thought to Tammy's comment outburst at the last bond hearing? It was like she NEEDED everyone to KNOW that LE had offered HER the same thing as SM had been offered (that being if she would tell on SM she could walk and not be charged). I keep wondering why THAT was important enough for her to blurt out in court over. KWIM? The look on her face when she said it makes me think she felt some level of importance that fact be known?

Wasn't it phrased something like "if you say he did it you can walk right out the door"... as if she was outraged that she thought the police were pressuring her to falsely accuse Sidney of the deed (and she wanted the court/the viewing audience to know that the police were acting improperly). That was my interpretation, but I only read the play-by-play on here, I didn't watch it.

I don't think they were acting improperly, they were probably just using the "nice guy that just wants to help you out" interrogation technique.

 

[magnolia]

Wasn't it phrased something like "if you say he did it you can walk right out the door"... as if she was outraged that she thought the police were pressuring her to falsely accuse Sidney of the deed (and she wanted the court/the viewing audience to know that the police were improper). That was my interpretation, but I only read the play-by-play on here, I didn't watch it.

That was my interpretation as well.

 

[magnolia]

BBM After thinking on this for a few of days, I am starting to wonder (assuming if what she blurted out in Court is true) that by offering her freedom from jail and no criminal charges, LE believes that SM is actually the killer and TM was nothing more than an accomplice?

I know what a narcissist and liar she is and it could have all been fabricated by her.

What are everyone's thoughts on that?

No, I don't believe the BBM. I think LE hoped one would turn on the other.

As we all know, Sidney can lie as well. However, I really don't think either one fabricated the offer from LE. IMO

 

[Madeleine74]

BBM After thinking on this for a few of days, I am starting to wonder (assuming if what she blurted out in Court is true) that by offering her freedom from jail and no criminal charges, LE believes that SM is actually the killer and TM was nothing more than an accomplice?

I know what a narcissist and liar she is and it could have all been fabricated by her.

What are everyone's thoughts on that?

My thoughts are that the solicitor's office charged them both with first degree murder and kidnapping because they believe, and allegedly have evidence, that can prove both were involved. Even if TM was only an accomplice, legally she would be just as responsible as SM, even if SM did the actual killing.

The technique of trying to get one person to roll over and give up info to obtain a conviction of the other is very common. It seems they attempted this with both TM and SM separately. Very common maneuver. Textbook, really.

 

[NFYIAMY]

I saw her commenting as more like she wanted everyone to know that when they were talking to her they were insinuating SM did it & they didn't believe she did it. Almost like she thought if the judge didn't know they made that offer to her too that she might not be granted bail because he'd think she was the guilty one? (Feel like I can't get the words to say exactly what I'm thinking. Hope y'all can at least kinda see what I'm saying)


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[bestill]

I saw her commenting as more like she wanted everyone to know that when they were talking to her they were insinuating SM did it & they didn't believe she did it. Almost like she thought if the judge didn't know they made that offer to her too that she might not be granted bail because he'd think she was the guilty one? (Feel like I can't get the words to say exactly what I'm thinking. Hope y'all can at least kinda see what I'm saying)


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I think this is it too. She was worried that he was going to get out on and she wasn't. Did you also notice that SM's attorney said there is "no proof" his client was involved but her attorney never said that? I was waiting on him to say it and he never did, of course her blurting out her statement totally derailed his train of thought.

TM's like the kid in class that's always seeking the attention, you know like "me too, me too, me too". Definitely some arrested development there.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

I don't think the Elvis family has anything to worry about in terms of their own safety from the defendants directly. The Moorer family is being closely monitored and their ankle bracelets are tracking their every movement, so LE will know if they go anywhere near the Elvis family. Whatever crazies out there were already out there.

The real devastation for the family is, I imagine, the loss of their precious daughter and their inability to give her a proper burial.

Jumping off of your post, the tracking bracelets make people feel safer, but truly, you can travel five miles in five minutes. If one of the M's really wanted to hurt a member of the Elvis family, it wouldn't be hard to do so before LE had a chance to come and get them.

"They cut off their GPS bracelets. They let them run out of power. Or they just ignore them.

Time and again, criminals have proven that GPS monitoring devices are only as dependable as the convicts wearing them. "
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/gps-629353-girl-police.html

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Speaking of the BiLo receipt found at the M's dated 12/18/13.... are we all under the same assumption that it was sometime after 3:41AM?


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[Ghostwheel]

Speaking of the BiLo receipt found at the M's dated 12/18/13.... are we all under the same assumption that it was sometime after 3:41AM?


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I'm good with anytime after 3am. After all, Polly said they were both home at 3am, so anytime after that negates anything she says... I'm also good with a receipt that actually belongs to Heather anytime after Heather spoke with her roommate. The M's shouldn't have anything like that at all....

 

[Ghostwheel]

I've been meaning to comment on this quote "Polly Caison said that the truck police are referring to never left the yard". So does that mean some other vehicle that the police are NOT referring to left the yard?

 

[CluedIn]

I think this is it too. She was worried that he was going to get out on and she wasn't. Did you also notice that SM's attorney said there is "no proof" his client was involved but her attorney never said that? I was waiting on him to say it and he never did, of course her blurting out her statement totally derailed his train of thought.

TM's like the kid in class that's always seeking the attention, you know like "me too, me too, me too". Definitely some arrested development there.

JMO

It sure did knock TM's attorney right off his train of thought and it seemed to me like he never got back on track. I think she was terrified SM was going to make bond while she was left remaining behind bars. Can you imagine the thoughts that went through her head when SM's attorney suggested he could go live at his family's property with unsaid others. Talk about her feeling out of control! I would have liked to known how that scenario would have played out. Either way with all of their past history/drama I can't see making it to trial without more of the same but I suppose we shall see.

Anyhow OT I haven't posted in forever. I've been so very sick and we had a big move. Glad to see familiar folks and new ones as well. :seeya:

 

[Beautifulonein]

I'm a little confused though. I thought that Sidney was going to live near his parents. How come it was Tammy that picked him up and not them?

 

[NFYIAMY]

I'm a little confused though. I thought that Sidney was going to live near his parents. How come it was Tammy that picked him up and not them?

It was an option his attorney presented to the judge. The judge did not make his bond contingent on it - so he didn't go there but rather chose to stay with TM.

"Wherever they end up going until the trial, attorneys say it's likely the Moorers will be living together.

"They're husband and wife, they're married, they have three children, there's no stipulation or conditions that would require them to be apart, so I would think that yes, they would be very happy to be together," said McCollum."

From here: http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?list=195106&id=1157989#.VNSn_VXF9sA

 

[bestill]

I've been meaning to comment on this quote "Polly Caison said that the truck police are referring to never left the yard". So does that mean some other vehicle that the police are NOT referring to left the yard?

That's what I'm thinking, it's not what they're saying it's what they're not saying.