EVIDENCE - Pro and Con

[Madeleine74]

Maybe HE posted about her new digs on one of her social media accounts? Or it was discussed in comments on one of her posts, or even on someone else's page? TM was probably spending a lot of time online stalking HE and everyone she was associated with.

Possible, sure, but with the level of social media sleuthing unleashed by WS members, I'd be surprised if such a thing existed and no one on WS found it in all this time. Plus, TM's surfing history, including sites on FB, Twitter, down to the screens she visited could be uncovered by forensic computer software. If HE mentioned a new place to live, TM still wouldn't have the address unless she was following Heather around. I mean, how many would-be attackers actually ask (nee demand) their victims to tell them where they are via txt so that they can be confronted in person (as TM did to HE in early Nov)? TM doesn't strike me as very smart.

 

[stillwatersc]

She wasn't living at home with her parents. I don't remember who she lived with before (maybe an ex-boyfriend or other friend?) but she wasn't living with mom & dad. But for argument's sake let's say she was living at home with her parents before 12/4. Unless TM was following her around on either 12/4 or 12/5 or unless Heather disclosed this info to SM and then SM told his wife, TM wouldn't have known Heather moved in with BW and she wouldn't have known where she was living.

The theory that TM went to Heather's apartment to confront her on 12/18/13 sometime after 2am and killed HE in her apartment does not seem a likely scenario considering she most likely didn't even know where HE was living at the time.

A long time ago, we had speculated that when Heather went home to pick up her mail (12/17?), TM followed her. I still think Heather was lured out to PTL.

 

[Madeleine74]

A long time ago, we had speculated that when Heather went home to pick up her mail (12/17?), TM followed her. I still think Heather was lured out to PTL.

I concur! That's my belief as well.

 

[rob]

It will be interesting to see TM's "boyfriend" take the stand!

Has LE verified and located this individual? Was he "cleared"? Does he even exist?

I've seen TM, I ain't believing it.

 

[SStarr33]

I don't think I saw this posted:

Stacy Jacobson
‏@SJacobsonWCIV
UPDATE: lawyer for Horry Co man charged in #HeatherElvis's murder says his client is staying in Horry Co, unlikely he'll move to Berkeley Co

https://twitter.com/SJacobsonWCIV/status/563038376908296193

 

[jillycat]

While I don't believe TM confronted Heather at her condo, I don't think there's anything complicated about following Heather home from work to discover where she lived.

Certainly if TM could have followed her to her parent's home (from...where?) to pick up mail, she could follow her anywhere else. I guess I find it hard to believe that we have an affair, texting frenzies, home journals, 90 calls to her phone, threats, social media rants, the disclosure by Heather on social media as to where she worked, but the M's somehow unable to find her new residence.

But all that matters is what happened from 2:29 a.m. through 3:41 a.m. on 12/18. If she was lured, and all it took was a phone to facilitate it, neither TM or SM needed to know anything about her location.

While I think there are scenarios possible besides the one that has her driving to PTL in the wee hours, I can buy the lured to PTL theory until it gets to the point where a murder has to happen all of a sudden, and then the theories end pretty much at the second camera going back in the other direction.

 

[lstiff]

Thinking back to the initial texts from TM to Heather, I wonder if TM even knew who she was texting other than it being some girl her husband was screwing. I wonder if SM had given her Heather's name . . . or a fake name . . . or if she knew her first name, but not her last name . . .

If TM wanted to track Heather down for any reason, it could take a bit longer if she had to first figure out her real name. Yeah, I'd really like to know that answer . . . because if not, then I wonder :thinking: . . . about the arguments that will be presented in court . . . among other things.

What about the diary of the Elvis family details. Creepy and certainly makes me think that TM knew HE full name. JMO though.

 

[CluedIn]

What about the diary of the Elvis family details. Creepy and certainly makes me think that TM knew HE full name. JMO though.

Eww! I forgot about that. Soo creepy! I wonder when she began with that. I was watching one of those random crime shows the other day and the investigator stated that in most murders people write things down. I pondered on that. I guess maybe it is common.

 

[Makaroni]

What about the diary of the Elvis family details. Creepy and certainly makes me think that TM knew HE full name. JMO though.

Weird!! How many people get cheated on and decide to create a creepy stalker-like journal of the entire family?? That's why I think TM planned this and that's why Heather has not been found ...

 

[Aeronomy]

What about the diary of the Elvis family details. Creepy and certainly makes me think that TM knew HE full name. JMO though.

No, I'm certain she knew her full name at some point. That's a no-brainer. What I wonder is if she knew it when she were texting those initial texts to Heather in November, and if not, at what point did she learn her full name.

I'm interested in learning when the diary or the information within the diary of the Elvis family commenced. Was it ever stated if this was something she kept prior to Heather missing? I think it's just as likely she started the diary about the family after all the threats and mudslinging had begun (from both sides) on social media.

 

[lstiff]

No, I'm certain she knew her full name at some point. That's a no-brainer. What I wonder is if she knew it when she were texting those initial texts to Heather in November, and if not, at what point did she learn her full name.

I'm interested in learning when the diary or the information within the diary of the Elvis family commenced. Was it ever stated if this was something she kept prior to Heather missing? I think it's just as likely she started the diary about the family after all the threats and mudslinging had begun (from both sides) on social media.

Actually, that is a good point. I would think it would be important at the trial to determine if this (broad term) was planned. I have no idea if there is a way of knowing unless the contents were to reveal dates that had either already or not yet occurred. If that makes sense. Hmmm

 

[Makaroni]

No, I'm certain she knew her full name at some point. That's a no-brainer. What I wonder is if she knew it when she were texting those initial texts to Heather in November, and if not, at what point did she learn her full name.

I'm interested in learning when the diary or the information within the diary of the Elvis family commenced. Was it ever stated if this was something she kept prior to Heather missing? I think it's just as likely she started the diary about the family after all the threats and mudslinging had begun (from both sides) on social media.

Good point! I just assumed she started it before Heather's disappearance, but you're right. She could have started creepy stalking after Heather went missing. It's creepy either way ... :thinking:

 

[TTF14]

No, I'm certain she knew her full name at some point. That's a no-brainer. What I wonder is if she knew it when she were texting those initial texts to Heather in November, and if not, at what point did she learn her full name.

I'm interested in learning when the diary or the information within the diary of the Elvis family commenced. Was it ever stated if this was something she kept prior to Heather missing? I think it's just as likely she started the diary about the family after all the threats and mudslinging had begun (from both sides) on social media.

I'm sure she knew it at that point. If SM was like most men when they cheat, they leave quite an electronic trail that is not difficult to crack. I speak from experience. SM probably looked at Heather's social media accounts and there was a history of that on their computers. JMO and just a wild guess, but I assume he left a trail that was not at all hard to follow.

 

[Knox]

In the following link there is a screenshot of a FB post TM made stating that they had turned over their surveillance to authorities.... the question now is, when exactly did that happen? If I am correct, most surveillance devices on keep footage for a specific amount of time and then it automatically records over that. So, I guess the time in which LE was able to obtain the warrant for the video is key to what they may or may not have found on it.

http://moorermurdertrial.com/analysis-of-tammy-moorers-facebook-posts/

If she turned over the camera footage, it was either "doctored" or she knew there was nothing incriminating on it.

IIRC, the camera footage she posted of the so called "vandals" was of the road in front of her house. Were there camera's elsewhere?

The statement her Mother made in that last media interview keeps re-playing in my head. She said "that truck never left the property & we were with them (SM&TM) all night". What color truck did Tammy's Father drive?

 

[Motherof5]

I concur! That's my belief as well.

Ditto!!

 

[Motherof5]

While I don't believe TM confronted Heather at her condo, I don't think there's anything complicated about following Heather home from work to discover where she lived.

Certainly if TM could have followed her to her parent's home (from...where?) to pick up mail, she could follow her anywhere else. I guess I find it hard to believe that we have an affair, texting frenzies, home journals, 90 calls to her phone, threats, social media rants, the disclosure by Heather on social media as to where she worked, but the M's somehow unable to find her new residence.

But all that matters is what happened from 2:29 a.m. through 3:41 a.m. on 12/18. If she was lured, and all it took was a phone to facilitate it, neither TM or SM needed to know anything about her location.

While I think there are scenarios possible besides the one that has her driving to PTL in the wee hours, I can buy the lured to PTL theory until it gets to the point where a murder has to happen all of a sudden, and then the theories end pretty much at the second camera going back in the other direction.

I don't think that TM was at the condo but I'm not convinced that SM wasn't. They spoke when SM called Heather from the payphone and yet she didn't(or at least her phone didn't) go flying out the door to meet SM at that point. I'm probably the only one who feels this way,but I think SM called,Heather turned him down(she didn't answer 500 previous calls from his cell either) and TM sent SM to Heather's place to make sure that she came out. I have never felt like Heather drove herself to PTL. I think the calls from Heather's phone and condo were SM calling TM to let her know that he's done whatever(I think she was knocked out)to Heather and he's bringing her to TM at PTL. Take care of Heather's phone, put Heather in the truck, lock the car and take her to wherever she was killed. I think even the M's would know to wipe down things they've touched. I think SM beat TM to PTL and started to panic and just kept calling until he saw the truck lights. Heather had gone out on a date, she looked happy in the pic she sent her dad. She was ignoring calls from SM's phone....I believe that she had moved on and wanted no part of crazy TM's BS. JMO

 

[bestill]

Good point! I just assumed she started it before Heather's disappearance, but you're right. She could have started creepy stalking after Heather went missing. It's creepy either way ... :thinking:

It's obvious who the stalker was. I bet Heather didn't have any diary's about the M's. Just having one tells you quite a bit, in my opinion.

 

[cujenn81]

Where was Heather living before she moved in with Bre, do we know?

If I recall correctly... she lived w/ her parents prior to moving to River Oaks. I think some of her older tweets talked about the upcoming move & I remember the last time her parents saw her was on the 17th when she stopped by to pick up her mail.


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[cujenn81]

I have lived in the South all my life. Guess that is why I didn't notice an accent. lol, they just talked normal to me.

I know right? I was all confused like what kind of accent were they using because I didn't notice anything.


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[Ghostwheel]

In the following link there is a screenshot of a FB post TM made stating that they had turned over their surveillance to authorities.... the question now is, when exactly did that happen? If I am correct, most surveillance devices on keep footage for a specific amount of time and then it automatically records over that. So, I guess the time in which LE was able to obtain the warrant for the video is key to what they may or may not have found on it.

http://moorermurdertrial.com/analysis-of-tammy-moorers-facebook-posts/

FWIW, the screen shot doesn't say they turned over any footage, only that there was a search warrant for it. Having a search warrant for security footage, and turning any over or there being any to turn over are two different things.