Evidence

[natsound]

Right now... without knowledge of fingerprints on the tape or anything else from the remains... what physical evidence can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was KC's doing?

 

[SleuthyGal]

Well first of all, EVERYTHING outside of confession or eye witness is considered "circumstantial." Fingerprints? circumstantial. Blood? Circumstantial.

So, with that said, and given the fact that most criminal cases are "circumstantial" because there often is no eye witness to the murder and most murderers don't confess, what is the strongest physical evidence in this case is the fact that prosecutors can tie phyiscal evidence of a dead/decomposing body in the trunk of Casey's car to her mother. The stain(s), the hair found, the testimony of people who saw/smelled the car, the chloroform...all prove that a dead Caylee was in that car and that car was being driven by and abandoned by her mother (Casey). Casey is also the last known person to be with Caylee. That's pretty strong/compelling evidence right there.

Couple that with the fact that Casey never reported Caylee as "missing" until she was confronted by Cindy 31 days later and continued to party as if she hadn't a care in the world...

Those things cannot be ignored, justified or whittled away to an innocent explanation that makes any sense.

 

[norr]

Right now... without knowledge of fingerprints on the tape or anything else from the remains... what physical evidence can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was KC's doing? Nothing circumstantial, please.

Correct.

LOL .... I glanced and thought you ended with the word 'nothing'. Sorry.

 

[ZooKeeper]

I agree with what you are saying, but, with a good attorney and 12 people who don't already have an opinion.......I hope they have more or I believe I could be a hard case to prove without more than we know right now. JMO

 

[natsound]

Well first of all, EVERYTHING outside of confession or eye witness is considered "circumstantial."* Fingerprints?* circumstantial.* Blood?* Circumstantial.So, with that said, and given the fact that most criminal cases are "circumstantial" because there often is no eye witness to the murder and most murderers don't confess, what is the strongest physical evidence in this case is the fact that prosecutors can tie phyiscal evidence of a dead/decomposing body in the trunk of Casey's car to her mother.* The stain(s), the hair found, the testimony of people who saw/smelled the car, the chloroform...all prove that a dead Caylee was in that car and that car was being driven by and abandoned by her mother (Casey).* Casey is also the last known person to be with Caylee.* That's pretty strong/compelling evidence right there.Couple that with the fact that Casey never reported Caylee as "missing" until she was confronted by Cindy 31 days later and continued to party as if she hadn't a care in the world...Those things cannot be ignored, justified or whittled away to an innocent explanation that makes any sense.

But the above, in bold, is not pysical. I was trying to separate all that stuff out...

 

[natsound]

I agree with what you are saying, but, with a good attorney and 12 people who don't already have an opinion.......I hope they have more or I believe I could be a hard case to prove without more than we know right now. JMO

Thanks... that's what I was getting at. The decomp in the trunk could tell the tale..... what else?

 

[Blackwatch]

I agree with what you are saying, but, with a good attorney and 12 people who don't already have an opinion.......I hope they have more or I believe I could be a hard case to prove without more than we know right now. JMO

I believe they have enough right now. They have:

Decomp in car mother drove and abandoned
Didn't report daughter missing for 31 days

Now they have a body dumped where Casey used to hang out and supposedly buried a hampster. If I knew nothing about this case, I'd convict her on that alone.

My opinion only

 

[STEADFAST]

I've rarely seen a murder case with more evidence. If we're not counting what is probably heaps of physical evidence in the remains and the garbage bag, the decomposition in Casey's trunk and the hair with a death band matching Casey/Caylee are strong pieces of physical evidence on their own.
(I believe Casey could be convicted even if there were NO physical evidence. Also, there is no evidence, circumstancial or physical or whatever, that points to anyone except Casey.)

 

[SleuthyGal]

Okay purely physical evidence is: the body itself, the decomp and where it was found, the hair, any other fibers that may have been found on/near the body, any fingerprints that may be on items, the items with the body itself (all of which we don't yet know the details of), results of any tox screens (again, we don't know results).

The strongest 2 physical things that we know of right now (since we are not privy to all the evidence yet) is:

1. The decomp & hair in the trunk of casey's car proving that a dead Caylee was there for some period of time

2. The body/placement/items with the body, close to the Anthony house and allegedly containing items/evidence linking Caylee's remains directly to the Anthony residence.

 

[norr]

You assume it is/was Casey. She isn't the only person around her car, in the house, etc. The hair in the car was from an Anthony presumed dead, which would most likely be Caylee as we now know..... but 3 females were living in that house - shedding hair about, transferring, etc.

I wouldn't get to fired up until we hear Casey's side of this. The girl can lie.

 

[Bobby62]

Okay purely physical evidence is: the body itself, the decomp and where it was found, the hair, any other fibers that may have been found on/near the body, any fingerprints that may be on items, the items with the body itself (all of which we don't yet know the details of), results of any tox screens (again, we don't know results).

The strongest 2 physical things that we know of right now (since we are not privy to all the evidence yet) is:

1. The decomp & hair in the trunk of casey's car proving that a dead Caylee was there for some period of time

2. The body/placement/items with the body, close to the Anthony house and allegedly containing items/evidence linking Caylee's remains directly to the Anthony residence.

Red by me.

Something that they found either in the bag or in close proximity made them sprint back to the home and guard it until a search warrant could be obtained. It was obviously something that tied the scene to the home. We did see the picture of that book on the ground that was similar to the one in the nursing home video. I think there was something else though.

I reckon I'd bet a few dollars there was absolutely something else at the scene from day one.

 

[STEADFAST]

You assume it is/was Casey. She isn't the only person around her car, in the house, etc. The hair in the car was from an Anthony presumed dead, which would most likely be Caylee as we now know..... but 3 females were living in that house - shedding hair about, transferring, etc.

I wouldn't get to fired up until we hear Casey's side of this. The girl can lie.

3 females may have been shedding hair in that house, but only one of them was shedding hair with a death band -- the one who is dead.
We have heard Casey's side. Her side is that she left Caylee with a nanny. Even if she comes up with some new scenario that explains how she was not responsible for her daughter's ending up dead in her trunk and discarded near her home, she will have absolutely no credibility with the jury AND her story will be easily disproved like all the rest.

 

[Trailerparkgirl]

i think:
the hair
the decomposition in the trunk
items from the home found in the bag

 

[Bakersmom]

The strongest physical evidence so far is KC's own actions following the disappearence of her child. The defense will have a hard time explaining to a jury what KC was doing shopping for beer and underwear, or going to Blockbuster or clubbing. Her actions are indeed physical evidence as they have video of her and photos of her during the time that Caylee was "missing". Hopefully, her fingerprints will show up or personal items will appear. As far as the decomp, sadly it cannot be proven that KC was driving the car while Caylee was decomposing in it, not can you link KC putting her in the trunk as of right now unless the FBI has not released something. You could exclude everyone but KC being in the car based upon fingerprints, but then you would have Tony, George, Cindy and possibly Amy's fingerprints within the car, and of course George and Cindy's fingerprints being in the trunk after they cleaned it up. The case will have to be based upon circumstantial for the most part unless the FBI has something more.

 

[norr]

3 females may have been shedding hair in that house, but only one of them was shedding hair with a death band -- the one who is dead.
We have heard Casey's side. Her side is that she left Caylee with a nanny. Even if she comes up with some new scenario that explains how she was not responsible for her daughter's ending up dead in her trunk and discarded near her home, she will have absolutely no credibility with the jury AND her story will be easily disproved like all the rest.

OH c'mon.... you haven't heard squat from Casey yet. Has she testified to that? No.

Yes, I know the hair is from a deceased Anthony which I said would be Caylee.

I do not want to argue this -- just making a point. You don't know if it is her or someone else. Casey will be the victim I'm sure.

 

[STEADFAST]

You don't know if it is her or someone else. Casey will be the victim I'm sure.

I don't understand.

 

[norr]

I don't understand.

We all are just taking everything we can learn - rumor, media and all that for granted as the truth. Can't sit in a jury and do that. Casey is gonna change that story I think, heck - it may sound reasonable. lol

 

[STEADFAST]

We all are just taking everything we can learn - rumor, media and all that for granted as the truth. Can't sit in a jury and do that. Casey is gonna change that story I think, heck - it may sound reasonable. lol

I don't think Casey will testify. She can't help but tell such easily disprovable lies on the spur of the moment. She just blurts them out and then sticks to them in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Her testifying would be the worst thing for her case, I think.

 

[norr]

Steadfast....

Like the computer searches Casey did. You would not need household weapons or neckbreaking for a toddler. A toddler would be easy. Andrea Yates did 5 children with much less. You might need something more heavy duty if you wanted to kill the two adults that were also ruining your life. Like telling all your friends they were getting a divorce and you were taking over the house.

Just stuff.

 

[norr]

I don't think Casey will testify. She can't help but tell such easily disprovable lies on the spur of the moment. She just blurts them out and then sticks to them in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Her testifying would be the worst thing for her case, I think.

Ugh - I agree!!!