Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas

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  • #101
thanx for the heads up trigger, just caught it. (and yeah it was a new interview, check out the video at the link i gave above for another talk they had from yesterday)

regarding what they talked about - you can waive your HIPAA rights, but maybe you cant waive them for a minor. and then there is the court case gag order which probably wouldnt allow for it anyway.

*edit - found this, the court related parts should apply here - http://www.hhs.gov/hipaafaq/personal/227.html

man i would love to get a generic interview out of children's hospital about the issues related to this case but im sure they wouldnt do it (even talking in generalities about policy etc).

You're probably right. It's not just this case that has brought attention to the programs of the BCH child protection team, though. Maybe they would talk to you about the Hilliard case and that would give some indication as to the reasoning being used re Justina.
 
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obviously everything i say is my opinion, im not directing anything im saying at anyone in particular (am i really going to have to say this in every single post i make?)

so, admittedly this case looks terrible, and strange...

but im not going to believe that BCH has gone off the rails and is making reckless decisions that are having a massive negative impact on patients without great proof of such.

there is a lot that needs to be looked into here no doubt, i wish both sides could be more open about the exact details.

i see the NG tube in some of the pictures, i have a lot of experience with eating disorders, if that is something that is involved here then that could explain many of the conditions she is suffering from (not referring to the primary diagnosis here of mito/no mito etc but the secondary ailments she is now suffering from, hair, gums, strength, cognitive)

just like everyone else i would still love to hear more on why the prior doctors and diagnosis seem to have been so shut out. although i will guarantee you that BCH considered all of that greatly behind closed doors.

the lawyers letters linked are full of typical hyperbole, bordering on unprofessionalism. ask anyone that is knowledgeable on the subject if they think the immediate closure of the Bader 5 unit is something that would be good for anyone... there are a lot of great and absolutely necessary emergency services being provided there every day, all year.

this has gone on for so long that it would take great proof for me to believe this is just the misguided or stubborn mission of some small faction at BCH. its possible, and im glad it is being looked into, but to me it is incredulous.

the whole mission of Bader 5 is to move children out as quick as is safely possible, to move them on to more specific and tailored plans and programs for recovery etc

they have no need to try to keep people there, those beds are going to be full no matter what.

and the legal troubles they open themselves up to are immense - i promise you there was a contingent of administrators at BCH that once they had all the details of this case were persistently encouraging the team to "get that patient out of this hospital as soon as is safely possible"...

i think it is a safe bet we are only getting part of the story from all sides involved here, for various reasons. i would caution anyone from feeling like they can pass judgement on anyone involved just yet.

i have quite a bit of experience with a similar situation and with BCH and the Bader 5 unit specifically. i spent about 11 months visiting there an average of 4 times a week and directly involved in the care of a patient (family member).

it is a short term unit typically, for assessment. it is locked and it is mostly younger children, surprisingly and depressingly young children...

every patient room that i was in (maybe 6 or 7?) had a window, of the 4 or 5 common areas (meeting/visitation rooms, classrooms) that i was in i can only recall one that had no window. the common dining area has big windows all along one wall. there is a "quiet"/safety room that is windowless.

the patient was required if at all possible to have schoolwork and to attend a class daily where they got help with their work. obviously this isnt possible at all times/in every case.

visitors were always encouraged and often accomodated outside normal visiting hours, even during times when a parent (or both) were not allowed to visit other visitors were encouraged and never limited (obviously each case may vary).

as it is a locked unit they have safety restrictions and the patients personal items are checked and certain things are held for them and they have to ask for them and/or be supervised when they have them - but, some patients are allowed to have all kinds of things in their rooms, i did not find it to be overly restrictive at all.

there is tv available and game nights, pizza night, movie times etc

my experience with the nurses and other staff was mostly very good, there are times of course when you feel you arent being helped, ignored, the patient isnt getting the attention they need, but most of this in retrospect was typical and didnt reflect on the quality of the care imo - just indicative of the stressful and unpredictable nature of the job in a unit like that.

my experience with the doctors was mostly very good and i found them reasonable and knowledgeable, BUT several of them always seemed rushed (im sure they are, but its unacceptable if they make you feel that way every time they meet with you) and often seemed like they were overworked/rushed to the point that they didnt always have the facts completely right/werent always up to date on what was going on with the patient or didnt always seem to remember an important issue that was going on etc...

now, i was not the primary care person here but i was involved in decision making and direct interaction with the patient's team, i mention that because while i was able to be fairly understanding of what could be called shortcomings on the part of the doctors/team, i can totally understand how maybe i would not be so understanding if it were my child, i was paying the bills, i was the one making the absolute final decisions and bearing the weight of that.

security being called to deal with a patient or visitor is a "sporadically regular" occurrence.

anyway, i could try to answer any questions about the unit. i have a lot of opinions about some of the details in this story but i definitely dont feel informed enough to start drawing conclusions.

Snipped for space. With respect, it seems you certainly have drawn some conclusions.

Also, there is simply no way for you to know that the diagnosis of the child's regular doctors was "greatly considered" behind closed doors.

Finally, most hospitals move insured patients out as quickly as possible because the INSURANCE companies mandate that they do. But Medicare cases? Totally different animal. Nevertheless, I don't think that's the motivation here.

You know I do suspect that the parents are very combative people who may even suffer from their own mental issues. And that can lead to a situation where to hospital officials and governmental authorities, their credibility is immediately shot and an element of subconscious revenge becomes at play.

But the facts are clear. The child's doctors, none of whom we've discovered anything negative, have been totally shut out of the process, court and her treatment. And then a gag order was issued. And the child ultimately had a feeding tube put in, even though that was apparently one if the reasons the child was taken from the parents - because they demanded an "unnecessary" feeding tube. Which we now see was necessary.

Also, there have been multiple complaints against this hospital for similar issues- that the staff has an itchy trigger finger when it comes to accusing parents of kids with rare illnesses, of medical abuse.

That tells me a lot. Silencing voices and shutting out professionals who are the most familiar with the case is more than suspicious. It seems defensive and allows me to draw some pretty clear conclusions.

True, I'm not totally sure what happened here. I think there could be psych issues at play- just not only with the kid and her parents.

There is still an arrogant "Im the doctor here" attitude among some in the medical profession that could result in a huge mess when pitted against combative, loud and unreasonable parents if an ill child.

That's my suspicion about what has happened.

On another note, "Bader 5" is an unfortunate name. It sounds like the wing of a Nazi concentration camp!
 
  • #104
"Snipped for space. With respect, it seems you certainly have drawn some conclusions.

Also, there is simply no way for you to know that the diagnosis of the child's regular doctors was "greatly considered" behind closed doors. "

i forgot on this site you have to say in caps and huge font "JMO IMO MOO OMGJMOO" after every sentence.

i havent drawn any conclusions and i think i make that clear throughout my posts, i have some opinions based on experience. isnt that also what you have? do you know exactly why children's didnt seem to involve her old treatment team? are you even sure of your "facts" regarding that issue?


if i stated things too strongly for you i apologize. obviously everything i am saying is my opinion and i have no secret information.

you later state "the facts are clear" - are they? no need to hear children's side of it then i guess, that couldnt possibly shed any more light on things or recolor those clear facts.

now i will get into trouble for "directly addressing another poster" so i guess im done here.
 
  • #105
IMO we have only heard from one side... Without way more information I'm not really comfortable coming to any sort of an opinion.

I could based on what's been reported... But I feel that information may be extremely biased and one sided.




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  • #106
Since psychologist Simona Bujorneau and BCH Child Protection Team Head Dr. Alice Newton performed their "parent-ectomy" (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html), Justina had been held by BCH in the Bader 5 unit until her transfer to the Wayside Youth and Family Support Network in Framingham (http://westhartford.patch.com/group...-justina-pelletier-transfered-to-new-facility). During that time, the BCH CPT with DCF have, through what seems to be incomplete informing of the courts, usurped responsibility for Justina's medical and life decisions. Justina, therefore, IMO, became a de facto foster child of BCH B5staff for over a year. BCH continues to influence her treatment by staff at the new facility and by the court. I would have expected that in such circumstances, the treatment of Justina would have met the high ethical and medical standards which would be expected of any unit of BCH. I would also expect that after a year of such treatment, Justina would have had visible improvement if SB's diagnosis of somatoform disorder was accurate. Admittedly there are problems in considering this because reports have been one-sided. As well, Dr. David DeMaso, BCH psychiatrist-in-chief, told the Boston Globe that the mental health field has moved away from using somatoform disorder as a diagnostic tool. (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...l-uncertain/Y7qvYTGsq8QklkxUZvuUgP/story.html) It should also be noted that the 5th edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) is replacing somatoform disorders with somatic symptom and related disorders. (http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Somatic Symptom Disorder Fact Sheet.pdf) IMO, DeMaso's comments weaken Bujorneau's position.


IMO, Justina, as a citizen of the United States, has rights protected by the U.S. Constitution, and those rights extend to people who live in psychiatric facilities. Places like Bader 5 do not exist in a bubble above and apart from influence from the body of American laws. I also believe that if she has become a de facto foster child, Justina deserves to be given every benefit accorded to every other foster child in the state of Massachusetts. IMO, this provides a framework with which it's possible to evaluate just a little bit, the care that's been given to Justina. I've come across three documents which, I think, are relevant. I'm selecting at a few items from each document, and following each with a comment regarding the way it applies in Justina's case. The first document is a flyer, Basic Rights at Inpatient Mental Health Facilities in Massachusetts, prepared by the Mental Health Legal Advisors Committee, October 2012. (http://www.mhlac.org/Docs/basic_rights_at_inpatient_mental_health_facilities.pdf)
(This flyer describes important rights under the U.S. Constitution and Section 23.)
Among the rights listed are the following:
(Excerpted by me. Comments are my own, and jmo.)

" * The right to send and receive 'sealed, unopened, uncensored mail'. If you are present, staff may open and check mail for contraband, but may not read it. The superintendent, director, or designee of the superintendent or director must document with specific facts the reason for opening the mail." This was violated in Justina's case by Bader 5 staff when Justina felt compelled to hide notes to her family, and when the B5s, according to Justina's father, used "behaviour modification" to either correct her or to punish her according to personal interpretation. (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...lk-to-us-i-want-to-have-all-my-guns-blazing/#)

" * The right to receive visitors of your "own choosing daily and in private, at reasonable times.' …The facility's superintendent, director, acting superintendent or acting director may temporarily suspend the right to have visitors if there is a substantial risk of serious harm to you or others and less restrictive alternatives would be futile. Any suspension must be documented in your record, and may last no longer than the time necessary to prevent harm." The phrase "substantial risk of serious harm" implies, IMO, that B5s should have had compelling proof that the actions taken by Justina's parents in her previous care, and their requests upon arrival at BCH, had been undertaken without due consideration for Justina's continued health. BCH CPT and B5s went along with the hunches of BCH staff, such as the request for a feeding tube which CPT and B5s used as proof of child abuse to the court. It is doubtful, IMO, that the court was ever informed that BCH finally reached the conclusion that Justina did need a feeding tube. The presence of a guard makes private conversation impossible, especially if B5s felt the need to apply behaviour modification following visits. In addition, B5s implied that Justina's parents were not taking her mental health into account. In fact, Justina had been regularly seeing a mental health professional. As well, the B5s noted that the parents should be restricted in their dealings with Justina because they were "insolent", because they disagreed with the way B5s proposed to treat Justina and wanted to take her to her original doctors. JMO, but the Pelletiers had every reason to distrust SB.

" * The right to a humane environment including living space which ensures "privacy and security in resting, sleeping, dressing, bathing and personal hygiene, reading, writing and toileting." This right does not mean you have the right to a private bedroom." I don't know how that's possible to be honest, however having a roommate means that your access to privacy will be limited. Having two roommates would make any privacy very difficult to come by. In addition, from at least the time Justina was confined to Bader 5 against her will, she has had to ask permission to use the bathroom and may have been monitored at those times whether she had to change a tampon or simply urinate. No privacy for a year. At least.

" * You enjoy a Constitutional right to reasonable access to the outdoors." According to Justina's lawyer, she has not had any access to the outdoors. Great to know Bader 5 has windows, but windows filter light. Many buildings with internal temperature controls and air-conditioning do not have windows which can readily open to allow fresh air into the rooms. My fear is that with safety a concern in Bader 5, and locked double doors, open windows might not be part of the suite's design. So, Justina's access to fresh air may have been severely limited for the year she was locked up in BCH.

The second document is the Massachusetts Foster Child Bill of Rights, developed by the Youth Advisory Board of the Mass. Dept. of Children and Families.
(http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/gov/depar...en-and-youth/foster-child-bill-of-rights.html)
Among many rights listed are the following:
(Excerpted by me. Comments are jmo.)

"Every foster child shall live with a family and in placement setting that provide a safe and nurturing environment while supporting permanency, and well being, including encouraging youth's goals, interests. social and school activities." According to comments up-thread, Bader 5 is a very stressful place which was designed for short term residency which, by definition, does not support permanency. No matter the intentions of those placing Justina in this environment, the unintended consequence has been to deny her a nurturing environment for an extended period of time. She has been denied the right to follow her interests, to be involved in social or school activities for a year.

"Every foster child shall receive support from social worker, foster family/provider in maintaining positive contact with significant people (relatives, teachers, friends, and community supports) including assistance with contact information and visitation." B5s has not, according to the family's comments, done this. Instead B5s has continued to separate Justina from the people she loves. She was denied consultation with the entire team of doctors who had looked after her before her incarceration. IMO this lack of consultation by B5s underscores their unwillingness to even consider what had helped Justina in the past while planning her future. IMO, DCF similarly denied her this element of her care when they condemned Justina's family without ever once visiting their home to see what the conditions really were.

"Every foster child shall have access to personal possession, personal space and privacy with allowance for safety. Shall receive assistance in acquiring life skills, education, training and career guidance to accomplish personal goals and prepare for the future and be informed of the post-secondary and employment supports available to youth in care through the Department." From the comments of Justina's family, it would appear that her academic skills went into decline during her time in the Bader 5 unit. It would also appear that little personal space, and little privacy, was available within that suite of rooms for Justina for a year. The need for privacy has been noted in the first document as well.

BCH publishes a helpful online document for those about to become familiar with Bader 5: Helping With Your Child's Psychiatric Hospitalization: A Practical Guide for Parents. (http://www.childrenshospital.org/~/...Psychiatry Inpatient Service/parentguide.ashx). This is the third document to which I refer. On Page 1 of the guide, BCH tells parents to "Remember that you are an essential part of your child's treatment team. You know your child better than anyone else." Judging from what happened in this case, you may know your child better than anyone else, just don't tell the psychiatric team or you may be thought to be "too active" in seeking medical help for your child.

From this guide i learned that the Bader 5 Unit has 18 beds, treats children for a variety of psychiatric conditions, and has patients ranging from 2 - 18 years of age. There are two teachers to provide education for all those children. I learned that single rooms are used in special circumstances, and that children and adolescents have one or two roommates. I learned that the unit has a double door which is kept locked at all times . Bathroom doors are kept locked which "allows staff to monitor children closely and provide observation or assistance if necessary." Meals are family style with staff, and one menu only, however, according to the guide "It's important that parents make staff aware of any special dietary requirements your child may have…" The guide explains passes in which parents are allowed to take their children out of Bader 5 for 15 minutes or more, since "time off the unit is important in helping you and your child develop skills and comfort in being together outside the unit". For parents concerned about finances, the guide offers reassurance. "Insurance is usually the primary method of payment for an inpatient hospitalization…If you do not have insurance or if your child's mental health benefits run out, you may be eligible for …MassHealth. Your child's clinician can help you begin this process."

According to the model provided under the heading "How will my child spend his/her day?" we learn that wakeup and monitoring of vital signs begins at 6:30 am, and the day concludes at 9:30 pm for adolescents. Breakfast at 8:00 is followed by a community meeting to "review goals and plan for the day." Three hours is allotted to School in the morning (9:00 - 12:00). An hour for lunch. Therapy groups then for four hours (1:00 - 5:00). Dinner for an hour. Free time from 6:00 to bed, unless there are visitors. Relaxing evening group sessions are also held in this time. Groups are scheduled throughout the weekend, although children may "choose to spend time with family instead of attending groups." A very regimented format which is probably necessary to do short term diagnostic work, but seems to me to be inadequate for meeting the needs of anyone in the long term.

In light of the situation with Justina, this statement is particularly poignant. "Your child is on Bader 5 for a limited time, and most likely will return home to live. Family meetings are a critical piece of your child's treatment for a smooth transition home." As is this one: "The people on Bader 5 recognize that they are not working with an individual, but with a family." A little more honest is "The average hospital stay is approximately two weeks, but this is highly variable depending on your child's needs…Avoid promising when your child can leave the hospital."

For more than a year, Justina has been forced to ask permission to go to the toilet, to change a tampon, to throw up, to wash her hands and face. How humiliating is that, especially when all these normally private activities may be observed. This goes against the FCBoR and BRIMHF. She has had no privacy. This goes against the FCBoR and BRIMHF. She was forced to sneak out notes to her family. This goes against the BRIMHF. She has had her education curtailed. This goes against the FCBoR . She has been denied a family environment. Sorry, but movie night or pizza night just don't cut it as a substitute for genuine love even if there is professional concern from staff. This goes against the FCBoR. Her telephone calls are monitored and interfered with as well (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/15/justina/vnwzbbNdiodSD7WDTh6xZI/story.html). This goes against the BRIMHF. Justina has had no time with her parents without a guard sitting between them, and the time is severely limited. This goes against principles stated in all three documents.

From the information posted up-thread, we know that life in Bader 5 is stressful. Very stressful--lockdowns happen without warning. Upset children are crying when their parents leave. Other patients are yelling at staff or their parents. Stressed parents are yelling at staff. This goes against the FCBoR. Although proof has not been made public, the claim by her attorney that Justina has not been in direct sunlight or breathed fresh air since she was first locked up in Bader 5 could very well be true. This definitely goes against the BRIMHF and every recommendation for a healthy lifestyle for an adolescent that I've read.

For over a year, BCH has been "institutionalizing" Justina, subjecting her to a rigorous program of medication and talk therapy and behaviour modification. From the actions of BCH staff and DCF, IMO, Justina has been learning that her family does not really have her best interests at heart since B5s are protecting her from them. She's learned that she cannot trust that she's feeling pain because it's probably all in her head and she's really not sick at all. She's learned that courts cannot be trusted to help her or listen to her. She's learned that her opinions and needs do not matter to the people in charge of her future. Imo, she's probably learned to hide whatever she's feeling because the only place she can be truly private is inside her thoughts.

Justina's sister Jennifer has visited her sister and spoken to media about what Justina told her. " 'Justina says psychiatric staff have told her she is never coming home. ..I don't know exactly when or how many times she has been told this but Justina believes she is going to die in there." (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lletier-kidnapped-doctors-use-guinea-pig.html). If Jennifer is remembering correctly what her sister said and how she looked, and the article is an accurate portrayal of her words, then this is a tragic example of unintended consequences. While B5s may not have used those exact words to Justina, that is what Justina perceived to be the meaning of their words and actions. In many ways, IMO, it doesn't matter what words were used. All that matters is Justina's perception. That she has such a bleak outlook speaks volumes. And if such depression was simply a side effect of prescribed medication, which we all know is possible thanks to TV ads for anti-depressants, it makes the B5s even more culpable for requiring that she take such medication. JMO, but living under those restrictions with constant supervision, constant therapeutic sessions, fewer contacts, and being medicated against one's will for a year would depress the most healthy and normal of adults let alone fragile adolescents.

Justina's situation could be an anomaly among the many successful stories that may have come out of Bader 5. Or, her situation could be typical of children who are made wards of the state of Massachusetts, but who do not have a family still fighting on their behalf. Or whose families have been told they won't be allowed to see their children if they speak to the media. IMO, BCH CPT and the Bader 5 director of Justina's case have failed to meet the standards of care set out not only by the Mental Health Legal Advisors Committee of Massachusetts and the Youth Advisory Board of the Mass. Dept. of Children and Families, but also of standard of excellence in child care set out by BCH itself in its own manual.
 
  • #107
The Blaze has done some research into the BCH Policy Manual regarding research on "wards of the state". This is especially interesting since 'On its website, BCH describes itself as “home to the world’s largest research enterprise based at a pediatric hospital” with “$225 million in annual funding, including more federal funding than any other pediatric facility.” ' (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-manual-about-research-on-wards-of-the-state/) Any children used in this way must be represented by at least one advocate, and there is discussion as to whether the advocates can go far enough to truly protect their client's best interests.

It is not known if Justina, as a ward of the state, has been part of an official medical study of any kind. (If she was, her advocate would be DCF.) However, it seems to me as though she only recently received an advocate who would represent her best interests to the court. Similarly, IMO, her father sees himself as Justina's rightful advocate and sees the B5 treatment of his daughter as a less than helpful experiment which is not helping Justina as much as her previous treatment had done.
 
  • #108
West Hartford Family Disheartened After MA Hearing On Custody Of Daughter

By WILLIAM WEIR, [email protected]
11:03 am, February 5, 2014


BOSTON — A West Hartford couple was distressed Tuesday after leaving juvenile court, frustrated in their attempts to regain custody of their sick 15-year-old daughter, Justina Pelletier, from the state of Massachusetts.

The case was continued to Feb. 13.

More...

http://touch.courant.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79162494/

"She's not being treated medically, or going to school," he said. "There are so many rights being broken and no one's being held accountable."

This is the truth in a nutshell. Thank God her parents love her and are fighting for her. This is not the only family this happened to. It is happening all over the country. Very evil, imo.
 
  • #109
From reading all the links provided, my hinky meter tells me the girl is where she needs to be to get healthy and strong. That's what's important. It's the only thing that matters IMHO. What a lousy situation though.

Did you read the part that she is now in a wheel chair and paralyzed from the waist down, and she isn't getting better.
 
  • #110
Did you read the part that she is now in a wheel chair and paralyzed from the waist down, and she isn't getting better.

I read about the wheelchair, but I think that he's exaggerating, and that she's just too weak to be able to move her legs.

I don't agree with what is going on, but we are only hearing one side because of medical privacy laws.
 
  • #111
Ill go ahead and paint the target on myself and just say I'm hugely suspicious of any "cause" that the right wing Blaze outfit decides to champion.

I also find it odd that the same crowd (in general, not here in particular) that gets in a fury every time government agencies like CPS have a failure to act in time to save a child, are the same ones who have an outcry when that agency DOES act... Despite knowing only half the story. By law. So - Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

In all my dealings with Children's in Boston, both with one of my own children, a family members children, and multiple friends' children, I have found all their staff, from the physicians to the admins to be more than helpful, and full of compassion for their patients. Walking in there is like entering a city, one full of sick - often desperately ill - children. Yet they were able, again in my experiences, to make it a place of hope rather than despair. I find it hard to believe that there is some larger evil conspiracy afoot behind the scenes in some attempt to erode parental rights across the nation. :rolleyes:
 
  • #112
I urge anyone here who doesn't understand about Mitochondial diseases to check out this website:

http://www.umdf.org/site/c.8qKOJ0MvF7LUG/b.7929671/k.BDF0/Home.htm

there are literally hundreds of manifestations of these diseases. Some will never get a diagnosis because it's a relatively new area of study. Most GPs don't know diddly about it.

A relative of mine, age 2, has been seeing doctor after doctor regarding his symptoms and lab test results. The trouble is that 'mito' can affect any organ, so it is very hard to pinpoint.

I can't give much in the details of the disease, except what I have read. All I know is that his parents just want answers to what he has. Some children never get a diagnosis, and they are called 'SWAN'...Acronym for Syndromes Without A Name.

A lot of times, the child starts out fine, and develops normally, with just a few oddball lab test results. But later, (could be around 4-5yrs., or 2nd decade of life, or even in their 30' or 40's,) they begin to deteriorate and lose motor, language, social skills, the ability to talk, eat, walk, become beligerant, and some even die. Some mitochondrial diseases have no cure or no available treatment. It's like waiting for the other shoe to drop...you just don't know what may occur. These a really sucky diseases.

I side with the parents of Justine because she had been taken care of by a doctor, well-versed with mitochondrial disease....not many are, and some don't even believe it exists...it's so new and varied.

JMO
 
  • #113
Ill go ahead and paint the target on myself and just say I'm hugely suspicious of any "cause" that the right wing Blaze outfit decides to champion.

I also find it odd that the same crowd (in general, not here in particular) that gets in a fury every time government agencies like CPS have a failure to act in time to save a child, are the same ones who have an outcry when that agency DOES act... Despite knowing only half the story. By law. So - Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

In all my dealings with Children's in Boston, both with one of my own children, a family members children, and multiple friends' children, I have found all their staff, from the physicians to the admins to be more than helpful, and full of compassion for their patients. Walking in there is like entering a city, one full of sick - often desperately ill - children. Yet they were able, again in my experiences, to make it a place of hope rather than despair. I find it hard to believe that there is some larger evil conspiracy afoot behind the scenes in some attempt to erode parental rights across the nation. :rolleyes:

You were very very lucky. This case is just more evidence of their complete lack of common sense. They leave the kids they shouldn't and take the ones who would be perfectly safe with their parents. What is the imminent risk to this child if she's with her parents ?
 
  • #114
EVERYTHING I WRITE IS MY OPINION AND NOT DIRECTED AT ANYONE

hmmm i wonder how many children have been treated at children's in boston... hundreds of thousands? millions?

"From October 1, 2007 through September 30, 2008 (Children's fiscal year 2008), the hospital recorded:[citation needed]
492,698 outpatient visits
58,329 emergency department visits
24,460 inpatient and day surgical cases
5.81 day average length of stay"

i wonder in how many cases did they petition DCF for intervention?

and in those case where they did ask DCF to become involved i wonder how many times that led to custody being temporarily or permanently removed from the parents?

and in those cases i wonder how many of those we would all agree that the hospital acted rightly and to the great benefit of the patient?

i wonder why tufts reported the pelletiers for neglect in this case also?

i wonder why the pelletier's own pediatrician was troubled by the way they were handling justina's care?

is it possible that there is a lot more to this case, and if we were allowed to hear all of the evidence that we might think that children's has actually acted in the best interest of this child? is that possible?

i have readily admitted in many posts there are some strange things in this case that i dont understand, im glad its in court and im glad the state is doing its own investigation.

THE FOLLOWING IS NOT DIRECTED AT ANYONE ON THIS SITE, BUT IN GENERAL REGARDING COMMENTS ONLINE

but the degree to which people are exaggerating this case and demonizing children's is mind boggling.

and quite frankly, shameful.
 
  • #115
the hearing today turned into a circus by the way, the judge ordered the media off of the floor that the hearing was on, justina's father flipped out and stormed out yelling, the mother was hysterical, collapsed, and was removed by paramedics.

next hearing is sometime in march, justina was ordered to stay in state custody until then.
 
  • #116
West Hartford Woman Collapses After Custody Hearing In Boston

The Courant
By WILLIAM WEIR, [email protected]
11:10 am, February 24, 2014


BOSTON — "A West Hartford, Conn., woman hoping to regain custody of her sick 15-year-old daughter from the state of Massachusetts collapsed Monday afternoon on her way from a hearing in juvenile court.

The woman, Linda Pelletier, fell to the ground outside the courtroom. Emergency personnel took her out on a stretcher.

A representative of the family said that Linda and her husband, Lou Pelletiers (sic), learned in court Monday that their daughter, Justina, would be transferred from Wayside Youth and Family Support Network in Framingham to foster care in Merrimac."

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Faith and pro-life groups to hold press conference with new details in Pelletier case in Boston
By Personhood USA
Published: Monday, Feb. 24, 2014 - 7:24 am


BOSTON, Feb. 24, 2014 -- /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Reverend Patrick Mahoney, Personhood USA will hold a news conference on Monday, February 24, at 12:00 P.M.

The news conference will be held outside of the Suffolk County Juvenile Court where the father of Justina Pelletier is facing contempt charges for breaking a court imposed gag order. Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel, will be in the courtroom along with the Pelletier's local counsel to represent the Pelletier family.

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Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, who organized events for Terri Schiavo in Florida and "Baby Joseph" in Canada and is the Director of the Christian Defense in Washington, D.C., states, "The Justina Pellitier case represents a troubling and disturbing trend of government officials usurping the rights of parents and disregarding their unique and special role in raising their children. ... ."

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/02/24/6184911/faith-and-pro-life-groups-to-hold.html#storylink=cpy
 
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Teen in high-profile custody battle transferred to foster care

Posted: Feb 24, 2014 10:59 AM PST
Updated: Feb 24, 2014 11:00 AM PST


BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- "A 15-year-old at the center of a custody battle that has captured national attention was transferred to foster care Monday.

WTIC's Beau Berman tweeted Justina Pelletier was being transferred to foster care with no medical treatment. She will remain in foster care until her family's next court date, scheduled for March 17."


Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/24...ttle-transferred-to-foster-care#ixzz2uGqRoZNQ
 
  • #119
I have been fighting CPS in NJ and I know how they work the courts I have unfortunately seen them in action.When they are involved the Judge goes by what they say, even when evidence is presented showing they are failing the children ,the judge refuses to even look at it till CPS,DYFS or whatever initials they keep changing it to.If you are out spoken in being protective about the abuse of a loved one be it from an individual or a hospitals care as in this case they will use that against you.It is horrendous when a child tells you they are being abused and you hear them being verbally attacked and know they are receiving punishments for speaking out against the abuser who then lies and say it never happened when you were there and it was said right to you.CPS has an agenda and believe me when I say 99% of the time it has nothing to do with actual protection of the child! If thee parents are a danger to their child why aren't they facing neglect charges in court? It sure seems to me that they use gag orders to shut the parents up. After I went on a writing campaign to every elected official in my state and then had a tv show who wanted us to appear that CPS finally allowed the paternal family involved in family meetings and then they wanted us to sign confidentially forms which we refused to sign. They refused to start the meeting unless we signed it.we signed because we had no choice but the meetings were BS.4yrs later the kids are still living with abusers ! CPS is just like airport security and Dept. of Homeland Security all they are is A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY AND SAFETY IMO! And if you dare question a supervisor or ask them to please do their job and protect your loved one ,they get all bent out of shape and attack you.
 
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You were very very lucky. This case is just more evidence of their complete lack of common sense. They leave the kids they shouldn't and take the ones who would be perfectly safe with their parents. What is the imminent risk to this child if she's with her parents ?

Really? We are all just lucky? Wth as many children as Children's Hospital in Boston treats, don't you think if it were some shady outfit that yanks kids from their parents with regularity that there'd have been an investigation, or outcry prior to this? This is a greatly admired hospital for a reason, not some chop shop outfit on the corner.

I find it highly doubtful the hospital is involved in some grand conspiracy. I doubt it even more now, seeing the right wing groups now involving themselves in this sad situation.
 
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