Family battling Children’s Hospital to bring teen home for Christmas

[CathyinTexas]

We don't know that's all the reason there was. It's the parents' version and they might be presenting a sanitized version from their own point of view that leaves something significant out.

I can't understand why so many insist that there has to more to this case. This is why Lou Pellitier has gone public (thank God) to tell the true story of what has been done to his daughter and the family. The truth is this goes on all over the country to hundreds of families and they haven't had the courage he has. Let's hope those doubters of the truth don't find themselves or a loved one in this situation because the majority of Americans wouldn't believe it.

 

[jjenny]

I can't understand why so many insist that there has to more to this case. This is why Lou Pellitier has gone public (thank God) to tell the true story of what has been done to his daughter and the family. The truth is this goes on all over the country to hundreds of families and they haven't had the courage he has. Let's hope those doubters of the truth don't find themselves or a loved one in this situation because the majority of Americans wouldn't believe it.

Exactly. Furthermore I am convinced this child is physically sick.
From what has been reported, she was born premature had a stroke at age 4. Does the judge think she caused that with her mind as well?
There is no test for somatoform. So there is no prove she has what BCH diagnosed her with.
She doesn't appear to have improved after all the treatment for somatoform she presumably was receiving at her locked up psychiatric ward.
If BCH misdiagnosed her, and DCF removed her from her family, they might have prevented over a year of this child receiving medical treatment. This might be irreversible.

 

[liljim]

There is just as much proof that she has somatoform disorder as there is that she has mitochondrial disease.

 

[jjenny]

"“This judge has now set a new standard in Massachusetts; if you get angry at a medical facility who takes your child for 14 months, we're going to show you...we're going to make sure you don't get your child back,” said Lyons."

http://homenewshere.com/tewksbury_town_crier/news/article_966a8f2c-bc06-11e3-ba4f-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[Donjeta]

I can't understand why so many insist that there has to more to this case. This is why Lou Pellitier has gone public (thank God) to tell the true story of what has been done to his daughter and the family. The truth is this goes on all over the country to hundreds of families and they haven't had the courage he has. Let's hope those doubters of the truth don't find themselves or a loved one in this situation because the majority of Americans wouldn't believe it.

It doesn't mean they did the right decision but there's always more to these cases as long as the DCF and the hospital can't tell their side of the story publicly. JMO

 

[jjenny]

There is just as much proof that she has somatoform disorder as there is that she has mitochondrial disease.

By law, parents get to decide what to treat her for in case of medical conflict.
Which means the law has not been followed here.

 

[jjenny]

It doesn't mean they did the right decision but there's always more in these cases as long as the DCF and the hospital can't tell their side of the story publicly. JMO

Why do you assume that if they told their side of the story, it would make them look better? For all I know if we knew their side of the story this case would look even worse. We don't know what they have been doing with the child in a locked up psychiatric ward all this time.

 

[Donjeta]

This is a letter which may enlighten to what has really occurred in this case. Most of the news articles I have read leave out facts and seem biased toward the hospital and/or state. This person has knowledge but has no reason to have bias in this case.

http://tribwtic.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/higgins-letter-pdf.pdf

excerpt:

>I am submitting this information, which has been
made public, in the form of a complaint against Judge Joseph Johnston, Dr. Colleen Ryan
and the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families for the emotional and
medical abuse Justina Pelletier has suffered for nearly a year. It would be far more
accurate to call the “treatment” forced on Justina by its more proper term, “torture”.<

She describes herself as a family advocate so she's telling the story of the family.

This is a copy of a comment section comment on a blog site so not a particularly worthy source but it's supposedly written by a nurse Higgins who already had some big issues against Bader 5 and Boston Children's prior to Justina being taken into state custody.

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/is-boston-childrens-hospital-getting-fair-gamed.105870/

 

[Donjeta]

Why do you assume that if they told their side of the story, it would make them look better? For all I know if we knew their side of the story this case would look even worse. We don't know what they have been doing with the child in a locked up psychiatric ward all this time.

Well, I don't know that I assume that. It's possible that these people took Justina away from her family for no reason and put her in a hellhole to be tortured for no reason. But it's my usual experience that knowing more of the other side of the story helps understand the reasoning behind the decisions, and what appeared unfathomable before starts to make sense.

There was one story here in which parents were totally outraged that their baby was taken into custody at the hospital because they were such great parents and there was really nothing wrong with the baby except a heart murmur. But when the court docs came out it turned out that the hospital might have saved the baby's life as he had a serious heart defect and was dehydrated and not gaining weight because he was too weak to eat, the parents didn't give him formula or the heart medications he needed and there were some other things that weren't true about their story as well.

It's just not that uncommon that parents present their side of the story in sensational terms and totally avoid telling a few crucial details about their own role in it, either because they don't see themselves doing anything wrong or because they realize it doesn't look good in the press that I'm seldom going to take everything that the parents say as the gospel without hearing the other side first.

Even if taking Justina into custody was a wrong decision the parents might still be telling things that are distorted into their own perspective.

 

[Gardenlady]

Ah. Nurse Higgins is anti-psychiatry, apparently. So now she acts as family advocate for the Pelletiers against her former employer (who let her go).

 

[Gardenlady]

This is a letter which may enlighten to what has really occurred in this case. Most of the news articles I have read leave out facts and seem biased toward the hospital and/or state. This person has knowledge but has no reason to have bias in this case.

http://tribwtic.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/higgins-letter-pdf.pdf

excerpt:

>I am submitting this information, which has been
made public, in the form of a complaint against Judge Joseph Johnston, Dr. Colleen Ryan
and the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families for the emotional and
medical abuse Justina Pelletier has suffered for nearly a year. It would be far more
accurate to call the “treatment” forced on Justina by its more proper term, “torture”.<

I see lots of opinion, adjectives, and hyperbole, but no proof of anything, other than Nurse Higgins - who no longer works at BCH - doesn't like psychiatrists, Bader 5, or the judge.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There is just as much proof that she has somatoform disorder as there is that she has mitochondrial disease.

None of us have any idea what proof there is of either. IMO


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[jjenny]

I see lots of opinion, adjectives, and hyperbole, but no proof of anything, other than Nurse Higgins - who no longer works at BCH - doesn't like psychiatrists, Bader 5, or the judge.

What's not to like?

 

[jjenny]

Well, I don't know that I assume that. It's possible that these people took Justina away from her family for no reason and put her in a hellhole to be tortured for no reason. But it's my usual experience that knowing more of the other side of the story helps understand the reasoning behind the decisions, and what appeared unfathomable before starts to make sense.

There was one story here in which parents were totally outraged that their baby was taken into custody at the hospital because they were such great parents and there was really nothing wrong with the baby except a heart murmur. But when the court docs came out it turned out that the hospital might have saved the baby's life as he had a serious heart defect and was dehydrated and not gaining weight because he was too weak to eat, the parents didn't give him formula or the heart medications he needed and there were some other things that weren't true about their story as well.

It's just not that uncommon that parents present their side of the story in sensational terms and totally avoid telling a few crucial details about their own role in it, either because they don't see themselves doing anything wrong or because they realize it doesn't look good in the press that I'm seldom going to take everything that the parents say as the gospel without hearing the other side first.

Even if taking Justina into custody was a wrong decision the parents might still be telling things that are distorted into their own perspective.

If you are talking about baby Sammy's case, CPS case against that family was dismissed, baby is back with parents, CPS does not monitor them anymore, and parents are suing CPS.

 

[Gardenlady]

What's not to like?

I tend to look skeptically at people like This nurse, and also scientologists, who dismiss the entire field of psychiatry and psychology.

 

[jjenny]

How does this nurse dismiss the entire field of psychiatry? If she doesn't like Bader 5, has it occurred to you that it could be because she saw what is going on in there?
"Perhaps most troubling is that our continuing investigation has shown the Pelletiers aren&#8217;t alone."
http://foxct.com/2013/12/19/custody-of-west-hartford-girl-stuck-in-hospital-to-be-decided-friday/

 

[liljim]

None of us have any idea what proof there is of either. IMO


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Exactly.

 

[Donjeta]

If you are talking about baby Sammy's case, CPS case against that family was dismissed, baby is back with parents, CPS does not monitor them anymore, and parents are suing CPS.

JMO but I don't see them being very successful with the lawsuit. Maybe against the police officers if they were indeed using undue force, but I think CPS has a good case because they likely saved this baby's life.

Yes, Sammy was returned to the parents because the circumstances changed, thanks to the baby being taken into custody and giving him the health care and the nutrition he needed. Previously, in the parents' care he had gone into congestive heart failure and was too weak to finish a bottle but the parents wouldn't agree to surgery or a feeding tube although their baby was in big trouble. But afterwards CPS didn't feel like they needed to monitor them anymore as Sammy was in good health after he had the surgery at the hospital to fix the three big holes in his heart that shouldn't have been there.


Links here, if you're interested: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Couple claim their sick five-month-old boy was taken away by police simply because...

 

[jjenny]

None of us have any idea what proof there is of either. IMO


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Why are you assuming everybody else knows the same amount of information you do? How do you know what ideas I have or not? There have been a lot of msm publications about Justina's case, so I am amazed as to why some here insist we don't know anything. We know a lot more about this case than most other cases.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Why are you assuming everybody else knows the same amount of information you do? How do you know what ideas I have or not? There have been a lot of msm publications about Justina's case, so I am amazed as to why some here insist we don't know anything. We know a lot more about this case than most other cases.

I'm not assuming anything.

I know only one side has been presented in the media.

I prefer to know BOTH sides before forming my own opinion.


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