Family Press Conferences

[grandmaj]

Do we have a link or is this a transcription. Thanks.

 

[debs]

That's a transcription from today's presser. This quote is from about 13:15 into the video.

 

[Pensfan]

"Look at every scenario that has him alive still today. Look at those scenarios and have your child witness another child have to go through that right in front of their face. It's horrific. I don't care how you describe it. So yeah, I think he's alive. I think it was an awful day. I sure hope that K**** didn't witness what happened that day, but I'm pretty confident she was there based on what we know. And that's a horrific thing for a child to have to witness."

If LE is prepping the parents by releasing those emails to them, to gear them up for the realization that Kyron is dead, what on earth could Kaine mean by this statement?

I admit to being about as confused as a person can get. But I've read this over and over in the past few hours and .... well.

Kaine may be taking the advice of Marc Klaas.

Marc Klaas stated, “Remember never give up hope! As long as you believe that your child is alive and coming home, you will have support, but if you admit defeat your allies will disperse, law enforcement will dissipate and your chances of securing a recovery will effectively disappear.”
http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-missingchildren.htm

 

[grandmaj]

http://www.katu.com/news/108250924.html

Here is a link to some of it.

 

[Etilema]

It's hard to understand what scenarios that don't involve killing Kyron would be a horror for Baby K to have seen. For instance, Kaine alludes to an accomplice possibly taking Kyron or keeping him (by saying that if there is an accomplice, there is a greater chance Kyron is alive). So, there could be a scenario in which Kyron is handed off to that other person. It wouldn't have to be a horrible scene--it could even have been someone he knew, with whom he might go willingly. Or someone could have taken him out of the car while she was in the store with the baby, or whatever. I really think Kaine must be thinking of scenarios in which Kyron *was* killed.

He is still hoping there is a chance Kyron is alive. Here's one possible scenario (just speculation, not based on any reported facts)--perhaps he was handed off to someone who took him out of the country and sold him to a family there, or put him into an orphanage there. In both of those cases, Kyron could still be alive today, and could even be healthy and cared for, even though I'm sure he would be emotionally traumatized by the experience.

Just speculation and thinking at the keyboard.

 

[cluciano63]

I think there is a little bit of legal-speak here, as in Kaine needs to be able to say that the baby was trauatimzed for the divorce case yet also say Kyron is alive He is not making a lot of sense in these statements. I mean, he can't serously be hoping that the baby witnessed some horrible thing...Kyron being forcefully, brutally, put into another vehicle? Is that what he is saying? I mean, of course it could have happened that way, although it seems unlikely as someone might have noticed...

I think Kaine probably should not have spoken today. He was not ready and did not make a lot of sense to me.

 

[Adrienne37]

So now we are going to pick apart every single sentence or word that the man says? Good grief, when does it stop being Kaine's fault that Terri caused Kyron's disappearance and/or possible murder? Yea, I imagine what baby K witnessed that day was horrific either if Kyron is dead or alive. If she saw him handed off to another person, a person she didn't recognize, don't you think that might cause her some sort of trauma? Can't you imagine for one second Terri pulling up and handing Kyron over to this stranger and Kyron kicking and screaming or God forbid had a blindfold over his eyes and tape over his mouth? Don't you think that might be just a tad bit traumatic for a baby that isn't even 2 years old at that point? What about if Terri took Kyron's glasses off? We already know that Kyron didn't see well without his glasses. Could he have been put of the vehicle without his glasses, stumbling around trying to feel his way along? Do you think baby K might have thought that was a game? I think she might have been plenty bothered seeing her big brother without his glasses and stumbling around. There are plenty of scenarios that fits exactly into what Kaine was saying. God help baby K if she witnessed her mother murdering her big brother. Is there a playbook that a missing child's parents are supposed to follow? If there is, I'd bet Kaine and Desiree would both love a copy of it just so they can appease all the people out there who want to second guess every single thing that they have done or every single word they have uttered. I imagine that both Kaine and Desiree will continue to hold out hope that Kyron is alive until they actually see his poor, little defenseless body laying decased on a gurney. ~JMO~

 

[debs]

I admit I have a horrible headache today and perhaps I'm just not able to piece it together......I didn't see the harm in asking what others thought this meant because I couldn't make heads or tails of it.

 

[kappy50]

So now we are going to pick apart every single sentence or word that the man says?

Seems like everyone has picked apart what the biological mother has said today...not step mom...but Kyron's Mother...so there you have it!

 

[PortlandMama]

I admit I have a horrible headache today and perhaps I'm just not able to piece it together......I didn't see the harm in asking what others thought this meant because I couldn't make heads or tails of it.

It's a good question, IMO. I was wondering the same thing. It's almost as though he has something very specific in mind that's not murder but that would truly qualify as horrific to watch (i.e., not an "easy" transfer). Makes me wonder if he knows something that leads him down that path that cannot be shared with the public. Thanks for starting the thread, debs.

 

[grandmaj]

Knock it off. We are not talking about each other's opinion. Stick to the facts.

 

[ami]

I think there is a little bit of legal-speak here, as in Kaine needs to be able to say that the baby was trauatimzed for the divorce case yet also say Kyron is alive He is not making a lot of sense in these statements. I mean, he can't serously be hoping that the baby witnessed some horrible thing...Kyron being forcefully, brutally, put into another vehicle? Is that what he is saying? I mean, of course it could have happened that way, although it seems unlikely as someone might have noticed...

I think Kaine probably should not have spoken today. He was not ready and did not make a lot of sense to me.

He made a lot of sense to me - he's missing his son, he's looking for him, he's keeping his face and name in the news and he's ready and willing to send fliers out to anyone who will distribute them.

I completely disagree that Kaine's motive for saying he feared baby K witnessed something was purely to gain ground in his divorce. My gosh, I'm a parent - what did Stephen King say? Very loosely paraphrasing: The worst horrors of the world are nothing compared to what a parent can imagine in fear for his children.

This man is grieving! He's withering away in front of our eyes! His beloved child was kidnapped and taken from all he knew and loved, perhaps hurt, perhaps sold to pedophiles, perhaps murdered! Kaine probably spends his nights trying NOT to think of the horrors his son might have endured or even still be enduring. It tears my heart out as a parent to think what he must be imagining - please can we give him a break if his worst fears, which he is articulating to us, hoping we can find empathy and compassion, might not be the most "logical" to our cool and collected minds?

So what if other scenarios make more logical sense - like Kyron was drugged or unconscious already and baby K simply saw him "asleep", or going willingly into the hands of some stranger under some pretense. Isn't that bad enough for a baby to witness? Isn't that bad enough for a parent to fear their baby has witnessed and their child has lived through, or died from?

I can't judge Kaine on his "performance" as if he were an actor who didn't deliver his lines crisply enough. I am aching for Kaine and Desiree tonight. Whatever kind of husband or public speaker he is, he is clearly tortured inside. I can't imagine a scenario in which he's secretly wishing baby K saw something so she can be scarred enough to foil Terri's divorce maneuvering.

 

[cluciano63]

I did not say Kaine wishes that his baby saw something...but as he is claiming that if she sees her mother she might be traumatized or something to that effect, maybe his lawyer is prompting him. He needs to make sure that he gets permanent physical custody. As he should.

 

[Tricia]

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Thank you.

Tricia

 

[Jo in Calif]

"Look at every scenario that has him alive still today. Look at those scenarios and have your child witness another child have to go through that right in front of their face. It's horrific. I don't care how you describe it. So yeah, I think he's alive. I think it was an awful day. I sure hope that K**** didn't witness what happened that day, but I'm pretty confident she was there based on what we know. And that's a horrific thing for a child to have to witness."

If LE is prepping the parents by releasing those emails to them, to gear them up for the realization that Kyron is dead, what on earth could Kaine mean by this statement?

I admit to being about as confused as a person can get. But I've read this over and over in the past few hours and .... well.

I think with everything that is going on in Kaine's life right now, I could not even imagine Kaine stating in front of cameras that he thinks his son is dead.
LE has not once stated to the public that they said they think Kyron is alive, just that they have no evidence that can prove that he isn't. I think that Kaine and Desiree will hang on to that hope, until LE can prove that Kyron is no longer alive and they see the evidence for themselves.

 

[LadyL]

I think I need to see/hear the question that was asked so that I can put his answer into some kind of context.

 

[BeanE]

Great topic, debs. Thanks for creating the thread so we can discuss it.

I've been thinking about this all day (along with so many other things from both of the interviews this mornings!), and was confounded by this one, until I put it in a context of what happens when the baby is older and finds out what happened, if indeed Terri handed off Kyron.

Let's take a best case scenario in this horrible event - that, for example, Terri told Kyron he'd be going off with someone he knows, and trusts, and likes, for a special treat - an ice cream or a visit to something he likes, such as the pumpkin patch. They pull up to a meeting point, and Kyron goes off, smiling, calm, happy, maybe even excited. And that's what the baby sees.

The immediate effect on the baby would be non-traumatic - nothing at all horrific about it. *But* when we put it in the context of the future, when the baby is older, and finds out that she was right there as her brother went skipping off happily - to his doom - completely innocent and defenseless - completely betrayed - well, then even this 'best case' scenario becomes, indeed, horrific. The baby as an older child or adult - and probably for the rest of her life - would likely feel that what she'd gone through as a baby was indeed horrific. I would not mind opining that it could be so traumatic as to require years of therapy to learn to cope with it.

So... I think it's likely that Kaine has thought this through, and looked at all the possibilities, and this may well be among the scenarios and thoughts he had in mind, although he didn't elaborate.

 

[Tink56]

I think with everything that is going on in Kaine's life right now, I could not even imagine Kaine stating in front of cameras that he thinks his son is dead.
LE has not once stated to the public that they said they think Kyron is alive, just that they have no evidence that can prove that he isn't. I think that Kaine and Desiree will hang on to that hope, until LE can prove that Kyron is no longer alive and they see the evidence for themselves.

I am certain the KH and DY are hanging on to hope that Kyron is still alive, as all of us would under similar circumstances.

I also think that KH may be more pragmatic than DY, but after she expressed her frustration and anger this A.M., I don't think Kaine would dare to suggest anything other than KyH is alive. DY is NOT ready for that step yet, IMO.

I also think we need to remember that these parents are not performers, or newscasters, or politicians. They are simply two individuals living through our worst nightmare.

I misspeak without difficulty on a daily basis. I am sure that following any of the press conferences the two of them wonder what they said or lament that they didn't express their ideas in a better way. Certainly, one can't always be certain that what they say, is "what they mean." MOO

 

[SmoothOperator]

Kaine may be taking the advice of Marc Klaas.

Marc Klaas stated, “Remember never give up hope! As long as you believe that your child is alive and coming home, you will have support, but if you admit defeat your allies will disperse, law enforcement will dissipate and your chances of securing a recovery will effectively disappear.”
http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-missingchildren.htm

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IMPO This more than deserves to be BUMPED UP.. No matter what Kaine and Desiree may think, know, feel within their hearts, and with every instinct known to man fully realize and believe Kyron has been dead since that fateful day of Skyline's SF/IB Expo, June 4, 2010...NO MATTER WHAT THEY THINK AND/OR KNOW IS THE CASE OF KYRON'S FATE THEY WILL FOR THEIR SON TO BE FOUND, BROUGHT HOME, AND 100% FULL JUSTICE SERVED ON HIS BEHALF FOR WHAT HE SUFFERED AND POSSIBLY WHAT BABY K WITNESSED...

THEY WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THEY BELIEVE HE IS ALIVE...

Marc Klaas has always driven this point home over and over and has been thru these cases plenty of enough times to have seen what a difference it makes whether the parents are publicly giving up hope{in that the hope is in finding their child ALIVE not dead}...once that hope has faded from the parents "publicly" a drastic downsizing in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of their child's case immediately takes place...

THEREFOR IMPO YOU WILL CONTINUE TO HEAR THEN SAY THIS AND MUSTER THE STRENGTH IT TAKES TO SAY THE WORDS THAT THEY "DO STILL HAFE HOPE THAT KYRON IS ALIVE AND IS SCARED AND WANTING TO COME HOME... that he is still waiting to be rescued...

 

[txsvicki]

I hope they're not thinking that Kyron could possibly have been given to some pedophile based on any internet texts or chats. Kyron being handed off to some stranger would be terrifying for him and for the baby to see him afraid. Kaine mentions scenarios that have Kyron alive, and that's the worst scenario I can think of that has him alive. I thought Kaine said something similar last week about Terri may have caused "some unspeakable horror".