Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #1

[wannabeasupersleuth]

Well, the family are now distancing themselves from the blame. She was perfectly healthy when she walked in, remember! She didn't wet the bed, she didn't have sleep apnoea, she wasn't obese...



Do perfectly healthy people need complex surgeries to fix their health problems?

No, and We will probably never know if a CPAP and a strict diet were ever prescribed to treat the apnea. Childhood obesity is by no means HEALTHY. this fiasco gives more ammo to parents to be lazy about their child's well being and then blame medicine for complications. IF this was indeed negligence on the hospitals part, it's too late to prove. It's maddening!!

 

[Donjeta]

with all due respect, I don't believe the instructions mean the child should be handed a popsicle in the recovery room.

Do we have any idea how long she was in the recovery room?

Most of those instructions emphasize that getting fluids is important.

 

[otto]

Is anyone else craving a popsicle after reading all the popsicle comments?

 

[Donjeta]

She had multiple surgucal procedures done at the same time.
IMO this was a huge risk...
It is also not recommended to do nasal surgery at the same time as
UPPP. Add in the tonsilectomy and you a perfect storm.
It seems as much as 50% of patients who have UPPP and nasal sugery done at the same time have complications. 50%
Horrible odds if you ask me.
Moo
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9781989/?i=6&from=/8579865/related

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BBM. That is not what your link states. It states that 50 % of the patients who had complications had had UPPP and nasal surgery done at the same time.

 

[otto]

Do we have any idea how long she was in the recovery room?

Most of those instructions emphasize that getting fluids is important.

Wasn't she on an IV saline drip?

 

[gngr~snap]

BBM. That is not what your link states. It states that 50 % of the patients who had complications had had UPPP and nasal surgery done at the same time.

Thank you! That is what I meant. I'll fix it.

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[Elley Mae]

Do we have any idea how long she was in the recovery room?

Most of those instructions emphasize that getting fluids is important.

She said that even before the surgery, her daughter had expressed fears that she wouldn't wake up after the operation. To everyone's relief, she appeared alert, was talking and even ate a Popsicle afterward.

But about a half-hour later, shortly after the girl was taken to the intensive care unit, she began bleeding from her mouth and nose despite efforts by hospital staff and her family.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-jahi-mcmath-onlife-support-article-1.1554532

I am under the impression that the popsicle was given to her in icu, by who I am not positive.

 

[MLO]

Well, no they haven't referred to her as "their dead child", but their Lawyer did say this:

"They told us there is a bed, they care for children like her all the time," Dolan said. "They believe they can provide her with care and support and treat her as if she's a living person."

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking...ily-faces-difficult-decisions-before-deadline

Seems to me that is the same as being dead. :twocents:

That quote makes it all seem a bit Weekend At Bernie's.

I have to admit that even as an adult, I am mortified at the thought of the public talking about me wetting the bed, my weight, my body decomposing, my brain becoming liquid, me wearing nappies and people wiping my bum, my menstrual cycles... I'm a pretty free and open person, but it would still upset me. I would hope my family would let me go with dignity and now allow the world to be privy to the inner workings of my body. I imagine a 13 year old girl would be even more mortified.

 

[Elley Mae]

Is anyone else craving a popsicle after reading all the popsicle comments?

:Bananahi:

 

[shana]

Do we have any idea how long she was in the recovery room?

Most of those instructions emphasize that getting fluids is important.

To my knowledge, we don't have a timetable of events; i.e., how long the surgery lasted, how long she was in recovery, etc. Similar to TC cases in which posters try to construct a timeline, so doing is problematical if authorization for such release of info is not given (by the hospital or LE) and then ppl rely on msm reports to try establishing one.

Holy convoluted sentence! Sorry.

As for fluids, I can speak only from my adult experience after 3 laparotomies: Ice cubes, not even flavored! ;-)

~jmo~

 

[otto]

I found pediatric electrolyte pops in the freezer ... almost as good as a popsicle!

 

[coeurfragile]

<modsnip>

Of course they haven't referred to her as their dead child. They refuse to accept the medical diagnosis that their child is deceased. Over half a dozen medical professionals and a judge has ruled that she is deceased. It's not an opinion that can be swayed. Whether they accept the diagnosis or not, Jahi is deceased.

Jahi. Is. Deceased.

Having her heart mechanically beat does not mean she is alive.

 

[Cubby]

Is anyone else craving a popsicle after reading all the popsicle comments?

Not a popsicle, but yesterday I went Wendy's after burgers were discussed.

 

[Elley Mae]

<modsnip>

Of course they haven't referred to her as their dead child. They refuse to accept the medical diagnosis that their child is deceased. Over half a dozen medical professionals and a judge has ruled that she is deceased. It's not an opinion that can be swayed. Whether they accept the diagnosis or not, Jahi is deceased.

Jahi. Is. Deceased.

Having her heart mechanically beat does not mean she is alive.

bbm, this may not be suitable for some, sorry.

Years ago the man next door shot himself in the head (suicide). He had a pacemaker, his heart continued to beat (pump). The paramedic had to remove/stop the pacemaker from pumping the blood out of his head.

 

[SophieRose]

That is really helpful. Thanks. Not only the family but their attorney have asked for the medical records and it is Durand who has denied their request.

They got the medical records on Dec 23 after going to court on Dec 20 for the injunction to continue support (one posted article says it's not life support but only support if a person has been declared brain dead.)

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I wanted to bring old article forward for anyone who may have not read it.

If the attorney files an appeal in the morning it looks like it will have to go to a higher court. There is also some good information about brain death and legal issues from several authorities in the article.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Jahi-McMath-is-brain-dead-doctor-testifies-5091298.php

 

[txsvicki]

I have a sore throat just thinking about throat surgery. I can barely remember the pain of tonsillectomy due to removal at such a young age, but can remember being scared and eating ice cream and popsicles.

 

[MyBelle]

<modsnip>

Of course they haven't referred to her as their dead child. They refuse to accept the medical diagnosis that their child is deceased. Over half a dozen medical professionals and a judge has ruled that she is deceased. It's not an opinion that can be swayed. Whether they accept the diagnosis or not, Jahi is deceased.

Jahi. Is. Deceased.

Having her heart mechanically beat does not mean she is alive.

BBM. Jahi's heart is not receiving a mechanical assist. The court documents indicate it is beating on its own and her kidneys are also functioning.

 

[txsvicki]

So, the family seems to accept brain death, but believes there's life due to the ventilator keeping the oxygen and blood flowing to the heart, which still works. I'm not sure what keeps the kidneys from failing? I understand the heart and lungs, but not how the kidneys continue to filter. Will that be the first major system that fails?

 

[Kaliste]

Not a popsicle, but yesterday I went Wendy's after burgers were discussed.

I'm about to give birth any day and every mention of food sends me into craving overdrive. I'm literally eating a Popsicle as I read this (Thanks, Otto!) and now I need a cheeseburger