Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #1

[momrids6]

Children’s Hospital Oakland officials confirmed Sunday they will turn off the machines sustaining Jahi McMath‘s body as soon as a legal injunction expires at 5 p.m. Monday unless otherwise ordered by a court.

“Barring any other court-order legal action by the family, the ventilator will be shut off at 5 p.m. tomorrow,” said hospital spokesman Sam Singer. “It’s tremendously sad, but that’s what’s going to occur.




http://24allnews.com/jahi-mcmaths-family-is-running-short-of-time-san-francisco-chronicle/

 

[Jayarre]

http://m.sfgate.com/health/article/No-medical-center-lined-up-for-Jahi-McMath-s-body-5100141.php

So sad in one of the pictures her 8 year old sister is shown at the march carrying a sign asking to let Jahi live.

 

[momrids6]

“We have been waiting since Friday, Dec. 27 – when we were first told by the family lawyer of a potential facility that might accept the body of Jahi – for a call from a physician to discuss with our medical staff what may be necessary to transfer the deceased,” the hospital said in a statement Sunday afternoon. “Our physicians have yet to receive a single call or message from the (New York) facility under consideration.”

http://24allnews.com/jahi-mcmaths-family-is-running-short-of-time-san-francisco-chronicle/

 

[momrids6]

No further court hearings are set for Monday, Singer said.

“Children’s Hospital Oakland continues to support the family of Jahi McMath in this time of grief and loss over her death,” the hospital said in a statement Sunday. “We continue to do so despite their lawyer’s criticizing the very hospital that all along has been working hard to be accommodating to this grieving family.”

http://24allnews.com/jahi-mcmaths-family-is-running-short-of-time-san-francisco-chronicle/

 

[sherbetjello]

Guess it doesn't matter what either of us think...I just don't know why the rush, if she's dead, she'll stay dead. If she's not then give a little time for the parents to find a moral solution for them.

Realistically, if Jahi is dead (and by all accounts, I do believe she is), it's not really at a benefit to have a decomposing body in the hospital of children that have very weak/susceptible immune systems.

No offense, but what in that is so hard for some to understand?

 

[otto]

I saw the same when mother died.

Then it happened to me at the funeral home 3 days later!
There had to be something subconcious going on in my mind.
I was used to see her move and breathe. I know she was not at that point, but my mind kept telling my eyes I was seeing it.
I even saw her chest rise and fall like she took a breath.
I had to walk away at that point and regroup.
It is freaky. Just human nature I guess.
Moo

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I had the same experience, except the coffin came to the home. I sat with him for some time and thought I saw breathing. It was just the breakdown of tissue as the body settled.

 

[fruity]

Guess it doesn't matter what either of us think...I just don't know why the rush, if she's dead, she'll stay dead. If she's not then give a little time for the parents to find a moral solution for them.

IMO it's not about the rush. I might agree if this poor deceased child was not preventing a living person from having a bed. Also, if her family weren't disrupting the other patients.

 

[otto]

Yes, the stages of grief are well- defined, but the length of time it takes to get from denial to acceptance varies extremely. Consistent words and truthful statements are what this family needs more than anything.
ONE person they trust and who is honest and trustworthy in return to help them through the stages of grief as they are letting their daughter, granddaughter, niece, and so forth leave their presence.

The world does not need to know. The world has no right to know. They need privacy and they need a sense of normalcy back to their world with Jahi as best as possible. Then they can begin to come to grips with what we looking in from the outside see-- a tragic accident with no possibility of recovery in any form.

The family that looses a child in a vehicle accident has less time to adjust to the loss. There is a length of time that is required to accept that loss, but that doesn't mean that the child should be kept alive with every machine available when there is no hope of life.

 

[SwampMama]

Media statement from Children's Hospital, from their website

http://www.childrenshospitaloakland.org/main/news/223.aspx

MEDIA STATEMENT: December 29, 2013

Children's Hospital Oakland continues to support the family of Jahi McMath in this time of grief and loss over her death. We continue to do so despite their lawyer's criticizing the very hospital that all along has been working hard to be accommodating to this grieving family.

We have been waiting since Friday 12/27--when we were first told by the family lawyer of a potential facility that might accept the body of Jahi--for a call from a physician to discuss with our medical staff what may be necessary to transfer the deceased. Our physicians have yet to receive a single call or message from the facility under consideration.

The letter/email below was sent to Chris Dolan, the McMath family lawyer, at approximately noon today, Dec. 29, by Children's Hospital Oakland's attorney Douglas Straus:

"Chris,

"I learned from your statements to the media that the Southern California sub-acute facility will not accept Jahi McMath's body because the physicians there do not want to treat a dead body. Children's Hospital understands that this is a very difficult time for Jahi's family. Children's will continue to do what it can do to support the family. In that regard, Children's position has been consistent:

"1. Children's will be pleased to communicate directly with a physician at any facility that is considering accepting Jahi's body to make sure Children's understands the requirements set by that facility for accepting the body and to ensure that the facility understands the current condition of the dead body and what is being done to maintain it under Judge Grillo's temporary restraining order. Of course, the family's representatives can observe that communication.

"2. Children's needs to be assured that there is a lawful transportation plan to any facility to which transfer is proposed.

"3. If the proposed facility is out-of-state, Children's needs written assurances from the Coroner that their office will allow the transfer.

"To date, there has been no communication from any facility named by you regarding a transfer or requirements for transfer with any of the medical professionals at Children's. The family has not identified any facility with which Children's can have this dialogue. Nor have we been provided with a transportation plan or coroner authorization.

"As your email and your statements about the facility in the Los Angeles area acknowledge, discussion about performing medical procedures upon a dead body presents unusual and complicated questions. Until there is a definite commitment by a facility to accept Jahi's body upon specified terms, I don't think I can tackle those issues. Please let me know if the family is able to identify a facility."

Doug Straus

 

[wendiesan]

Re: Jahi's physical condition before surgery.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/health/california-girl-brain-dead/

On December 16th, in a telephone interview with CNN, Omari Sealey said that doctors had recommended Jahi have surgery to treat her sleep apnea, weight gain, inability to concentrate, short attention span, and uncontrolled urination.
Sealey doctors told Jahi and her mother that the surgery would give the teen more energy, better focus, weight loss and control over her urination.

 

[otto]

Re: Jahi's physical condition before surgery.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/health/california-girl-brain-dead/

On December 16th, in a telephone interview with CNN, Omari Sealey said that doctors had recommended Jahi have surgery to treat her sleep apnea, weight gain, inability to concentrate, short attention span, and uncontrolled urination.
Sealey doctors told Jahi and her mother that the surgery would give the teen more energy, better focus, weight loss and control over her urination.

I'm tempted to ask what her apgar score was. I know that a tonsillectomy was supposed to cure the common cold in the 1960s (sort of like treating a virus with penicillin), but how was any of the surgery going to cure the short attention span ... or is this one of the medical conditions prior to surgery.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm tempted to ask what her apgar score was. I know that a tonsillectomy was supposed to cure the common cold in the 1960s (sort of like treating a virus with penicillin), but how was any of the surgery going to cure the short attention span ... or is this one of the medical conditions prior to surgery.

I think I'm one of the few people to survive childhood in the 1960's with my tonsils !!!!

In the early 90's my family doctor told me if I contracted strep one more time he was going to insist I have them removed. The next time I got strep throat, I found another doctor
I've had strep only once since I'm rather fond of my body parts.


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[otto]

Media statement from Children's Hospital, from their website

http://www.childrenshospitaloakland.org/main/news/223.aspx

MEDIA STATEMENT: December 29, 2013

Children's Hospital Oakland continues to support the family of Jahi McMath in this time of grief and loss over her death. We continue to do so despite their lawyer's criticizing the very hospital that all along has been working hard to be accommodating to this grieving family.

We have been waiting since Friday 12/27--when we were first told by the family lawyer of a potential facility that might accept the body of Jahi--for a call from a physician to discuss with our medical staff what may be necessary to transfer the deceased. Our physicians have yet to receive a single call or message from the facility under consideration.

Thank you for posting this. It looks like the only addition is point 3 - for out of state facilities. It seems very to the point, this time pointing out that the hospital called bluff on the "facility and transportation" claim, and the hospital was right.

http://www.childrenshospitaloakland.org/main/news/223.aspx

"The letter/email below was sent to Chris Dolan, the McMath family lawyer, at approximately noon today, Dec. 29, by Children's Hospital Oakland's attorney Douglas Straus:

"Chris,

"I learned from your statements to the media that the Southern California sub-acute facility will not accept Jahi McMath's body because the physicians there do not want to treat a dead body. Children's Hospital understands that this is a very difficult time for Jahi's family. Children's will continue to do what it can do to support the family. In that regard, Children's position has been consistent:

"1. Children's will be pleased to communicate directly with a physician at any facility that is considering accepting Jahi's body to make sure Children's understands the requirements set by that facility for accepting the body and to ensure that the facility understands the current condition of the dead body and what is being done to maintain it under Judge Grillo's temporary restraining order. Of course, the family's representatives can observe that communication.

"2. Children's needs to be assured that there is a lawful transportation plan to any facility to which transfer is proposed.

"3. If the proposed facility is out-of-state, Children's needs written assurances from the Coroner that their office will allow the transfer.

"To date, there has been no communication from any facility named by you regarding a transfer or requirements for transfer with any of the medical professionals at Children's. The family has not identified any facility with which Children's can have this dialogue. Nor have we been provided with a transportation plan or coroner authorization.

"As your email and your statements about the facility in the Los Angeles area acknowledge, discussion about performing medical procedures upon a dead body presents unusual and complicated questions. Until there is a definite commitment by a facility to accept Jahi's body upon specified terms, I don't think I can tackle those issues. Please let me know if the family is able to identify a facility."

Doug Straus

 

[wendiesan]

Someone up-thread asked who Jahi's biological father is.

His name is Milton McMath.

 

[Donjeta]

I'm tempted to ask what her apgar score was. I know that a tonsillectomy was supposed to cure the common cold in the 1960s (sort of like treating a virus with penicillin), but how was any of the surgery going to cure the short attention span ... or is this one of the medical conditions prior to surgery.

I think the rationale was that her sleep apnea was causing attentional problems and the surgery to broaden the airways would improve the sleep apnea.

 

[otto]

I think I'm one of the few people to survive childhood in the 1960's with my tonsils !!!!

In the early 90's my family doctor told me if I contracted strep one more time he was going to insist I have them removed. The next time I got strep throat, I found another doctor
I've had strep only once since I'm rather fond of my body parts.

If you have tonsils and wisdom teeth, you are doing better than the next two generations. This doesn't look like a routine removal of tonsils. It almost seems like there were serious health issues prior to the surgery if breathing, sleeping, uncontrolled urination, obesity and "short attention span" are mentioned on a medical report of a 13 year old child? Wouldn't that point to a pre-existing, known and diagnosed, disability?

 

[SwampMama]

I'm tempted to ask what her apgar score was. I know that a tonsillectomy was supposed to cure the common cold in the 1960s (sort of like treating a virus with penicillin), but how was any of the surgery going to cure the short attention span ... or is this one of the medical conditions prior to surgery.

I would think (just my opinion) that the sleep apnea interefered with Jahi getting truly restful sleep. Her mother did say that Jahi snored and had done so for many years. She also said that Jahi reported that she never had dreams. So I'm assuming this means poor sleep which can lead to daytime sleepiness or tiredness which can affect a child in school

http://obstructivesleepapnea.weebly.com/

"Obstructive Sleep Apnea in Children

"One of every four cases of ADHD or the attention deficit hyperactivity disorder has been attributed to obstructive sleep apnea in children. If your child is showing problems in sleeping, he might have sleep apnea. Some of the basic and most common symptoms of the disorder are:

• Sleep walking, heavy sweating and bed-wetting.

• Snoring.

• Sluggish with very short attention span.

• Daytime sleepiness.

• Slow physical growth and poor academic performance."

 

[otto]

I think the rationale was that her sleep apnea was causing attentional problems and the surgery to broaden the airways would improve the sleep apnea.

She couldn't concentrate, so her sleep cycle was examined. The sleep cycle appeared to be interrupted because of sleep apnea. Sleep apnea was caused by poor lung health and obesity. So, in order to improve her concentration, she should sleep better and this could be achieved (with known risks) through surgery. How was her weight going to be managed?

How would any of this repair uncontrolled urination?

 

[otto]

I would think (just my opinion) that the sleep apnea interefered with Jahi getting truly restful sleep. Her mother did say that Jahi snored and had done so for many years. She also said that Jahi reported that she never had dreams. So I'm assuming this means poor sleep which can lead to daytime sleepiness or tiredness which can affect a child in school

http://obstructivesleepapnea.weebly.com/

"Obstructive Sleep Apnea in Children

"One of every four cases of ADHD or the attention deficit hyperactivity disorder has been attributed to obstructive sleep apnea in children. If your child is showing problems in sleeping, he might have sleep apnea. Some of the basic and most common symptoms of the disorder are:

• Sleep walking, heavy sweating and bed-wetting.
• Snoring.
• Sluggish with very short attention span.
• Daytime sleepiness.
• Slow physical growth and poor academic performance."

There is also the problem of uncontrolled urination. This speaks to a different type of problem. She was 13 years old, an obese child with so much difficulty breathing that she required surgery. Perhaps she had a lower IQ ("short attention span"). She was attending the Technology and Art School, and she urinated without control.

What else was going on above and beyond the alleged routine tonsillectomy for the healthy child?

Is the family lawyer, Duran? Doran? Don't recall his name ... is he barring the hospital from releasing medical records (which would apparently be in the family's best interest)?

 

[gngr~snap]

She couldn't concentrate, so her sleep cycle was examined. The sleep cycle appeared to be interrupted because of sleep apnea. Sleep apnea was caused by poor lung health and obesity. So, in order to improve her concentration, she should sleep better and this could be achieved (with known risks) through surgery. How was her weight going to be managed?

How would any of this repair uncontrolled urination?

If it was just bedwetting-
Anit diuretic hormones are released during sleep that concentates the urine and allows us to stay asleep, not waking to urinate every few hours. If her sleep apnea didn't allow proper sleep cycles the hormaone might not have been being released.

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/full/10.1080/00016480802441762
If it was daytime uncontrolled urination I have no idea!
Moo

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