Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #3

[scmom]

Coroner Duties. It's interesting to read.
http://www.sjsu.edu/anthropology/docs/coursematerials/pierce/CORONER_DUTIES.pdf

 

[Herat]

http://www.terrisfight.org/about-terri-s-network/

I went to the site above, nowhere on the site is Terri Shavio's autopsy mentioned which stated she suffered massive, irreversable brain damage and was blind...There was no therapy that would help....She was not brain dead.......

The autopsy report, most especially the forensic neuropathologists report on Terri Schaivo make it very clear she had severe, universal, irreversible brain damage, but did have some functional integrity to the brainstem, which would have allowed spontaneous respirations and cardiac function. Her brain weighed about half of what it normally should and what was there was scar tissue.

Jahi has both cortical and brainstem damage (probably infarction) and has no spontaneous respirations or unsupported cardiac function.

There is a very big difference in prognosis.

 

[momrids6]

Yes, I got up to do something and poof...

Not directed at your post.....

I do realize that the TS was not brain dead but they are supporting this and backing it. Therefore, they fall into the "right to life" category.

Even if they are well aware of Jahi's condition and how it differs from their daughters, they are still promoting that Jahi should be kept on the ventilator because her heart is still beating.

I simply find it ironic their own statement agrees with the opposing party with whom they are "fighting"

 

[Isabelle]

What time is mediation set for? Thanks

 

[Softail]

Bob Redell ‏@BobNBC 7m
Mother of #jahimcmath waiting for state hearing on issue of daughter's trach and stomach tubes pic.twitter.com/GoRjjAEUAr

 

[popsicle]

Bob Redell ‏@BobNBC 9m
Mother of #jahimcmath waiting for state hearing on issue of daughter's trach and stomach tubes pic.twitter.com/GoRjjAEUAr

 

[Leilei]

https://twitter.com/iseeyou_nurse/status/419093029773795328/photo/1

This is interesting but I truly hope it wasn't written by a person who took care of Jahi. jmo

I've seen the same sort of comments on the many news articles. Might be someone who was there with their own child in recovery that day?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

What time is mediation set for? Thanks

I think it's 11:00AM Pacific Time.

 

[momrids6]

I think it's 11:00AM Pacific Time.

Isn't there a meeting with Grillo at 9:30 too? I thought I saw that written somewhere...

 

[ChristYTN]

https://twitter.com/iseeyou_nurse/status/419093029773795328/photo/1

This is interesting but I truly hope it wasn't written by a person who took care of Jahi. jmo

I kinda sorta in a way think it very well might be written by someone that might know.
Really can you imagine going home after this circus at the hospital and having to decompress from that?
And, it could be a housekeeping staff, a unit secretary, or a nurse. Or heck..it could be a family member.

 

[Softail]

Bob Redell ‏@BobNBC 9m
Mother of #jahimcmath waiting for state hearing on issue of daughter's trach and stomach tubes pic.twitter.com/GoRjjAEUAr

Jinx! :giggle:

 

[Donjeta]

Yes, they are correct- but they themselves make the "critical distinction".

OK, got you.

I suppose it would be logically possible to make a distinction between brain injury and brain death and still think that brain death does not equal death. But it seems awfully confounded in many cases.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

From my experience, a patient transfer from a hospital to a long term care facility requires the attending physician's written order. The long term care facility is most often acquired by hospital staff; when time permits family may look for and visit the LTC facilities and tell hospital staff which facility they prefer. A discharge from the hospital and transfer are orders that the attending physician must write, unless the patient/family choose to vacate the hospital AMA (against medical advice). The process for placement of a tracheostomy and feeding tube are similar, except the attending writes the referrals naming the doctors to perform the procedures. Neither transfer nor procedures will occur if the attending physician does not write an order and safe to say no other physician will go over the attending's head and write the orders.

I have a question about this.

Jahi's medical record should reflect that she was pronounced dead on the 12th after the second physician examined her, unless they change that to reflect when Dr. Fisher did his exam. So, she technically is now the responsibility of the coroner, despite the courts ordering CHO to continue her treatment. The courts confirmed she is legally brain dead.

So, do they really need physician orders from "CHO" for her transfer?

 

[SwampMama]

I would hope that the settlement meeting helps to establish how badly this family needs mental heath intervention. They have suffered a loss but they are in complete denial of the reality of the situation and are directing their anger and emotions and efforts into a completely futile fight.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Isn't there a meeting with Grillo at 9:30 too? I thought I saw that written somewhere...

There are two hearings, but I only saw the time of the mediation session.

 

[Softail]

Bob Redell ‏@BobNBC 1m
Judge orders both sides in #jahimcmath to talk for 15m to try to agree on letting her leave hospital pic.twitter.com/7T5C0dIgZ3

 

[Donjeta]

Bob Redell ‏@BobNBC 1m
Judge orders both sides in #jahimcmath to talk for 15m to try to agree on letting her leave hospital pic.twitter.com/7T5C0dIgZ3

This is the reporter's interpretation or the judge's preferred outcome? Why didn't he take the responsibility and order it done, say, five hearings ago to save everyone's time? Perhaps he can also tell where they take care of brain-dead people on a long term basis.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Former Israeli leader Ariel Sharon still in critical condition, hospital says

By Michael Schwartz and Greg Botelho, CNN

updated 2:15 PM EST, Thu January 2, 2014

...There has been no change in Sharon's condition since news broke Wednesday that his health had worsened in recent days, said Amir Maron, spokesman for Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer, Israel.

"His condition continues to be critical, and doctors note a number of central systems in his body are not functioning," Maron said. He said Sharon's close family members are by his bedside...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/02/world/meast/israel-ariel-sharon/index.html?iref=allsearch

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Can the court order that a deceased body can be transferred to a different location and that CHO is no longer responsible for the body once it leaves their facility?

 

[Softail]

This is the reporter's interpretation or the judge's preferred outcome? Why didn't he take the responsibility and order it done, say, five hearings ago to save everyone's time? Perhaps he can also tell where they take care of brain-dead people on a long term basis.

I'm a little perplexed by that too! :waitasec: