Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #3

[MaybeNotToday]

They took the time that the hospital graciously extended in good faith to secure a rabid lawyer.

 

[Herat]

They obviously haven't explored the big picture. Do they have means to move the family across the country, stay in hotels or temporary housing, etc. for weeks, months, or longer? It's all so impractical, but I appreciate that they are acting out of desperation and are not considering the future ramifications of this choice. :moo:

I don't see any desperation here. The family is taking no action at all.

They haven't visited the Medford, NY facility to see it for themselves or talk to the physicians or nursing staff that would take care of her.

They haven't expressed any interest in taking her home for home care.

They are not expressing any choices other than wanting to feed her and solicit funds.

 

[Leilei]

No kidding. Anyone who thinks otherwise, just look at their twitter. Several times per day, asking begging for donations.



https://twitter.com/HelpJahiMcmath

Wait, wait, hold the phone... did I see a NEW donation campaign has been set up? With a $20k goal?

Sitting on hands :banghead:

 

[Herat]

Wait, wait, hold the phone... did I see a NEW donation campaign has been set up? With a $20k goal?

Sitting on hands :banghead:

Or trying to stop from screaming at them:maddening:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I don't see any desperation here. The family is taking no action at all.

They haven't visited the Medford, NY facility to see it for themselves or talk to the physicians or nursing staff that would take care of her.

They haven't expressed any interest in taking her home for home care.

They are not expressing any choices other than wanting to feed her and solicit funds.

I hope that a Judge puts an end to this soon. The family is not going to be satisfied until Jahi wakes up, starts talking, gets out of bed, and asks to go to her favorite ice cream parlor. We know that isn't going to happen. :moo:

 

[Softail]

Wait, wait, hold the phone... did I see a NEW donation campaign has been set up? With a $20k goal?

Sitting on hands :banghead:

:yes:


:maddening:

 

[K_Z]

You are not alone in your thinking, Zuri. I think it stopped being about what's best for Jahi quite a while ago, and is now about what's best for bank accounts. In my opinion, of course.

I don't even think it's about money (yet, anyway-- it will be in a few months.). IMO, this whole angry, stubborn standoff is about the family "forcing" those that they perceive to have disrespected them, and grievously "wronged" them, to suffer as they are suffering, and force the medical establishment to do what they tell them to do. It's the only way they can feel that they "win", IMO.

It's a David and Goliath thing, IMO. They want to slay the giant. It's about winning. This has very little to do with Jahi-- she is being exploited, IMO, for their agenda. JMO. IMHO. MOOooooo.

 

[MsSeal]

I find it interesting that no surgeons have come forth to do the procedures. Even those that believe in circulatory death and not brain death.

Why do you think that is? The right to life community would embrace the surgeon as a hero to the little person that is fighting big medicine.

 

[J1981]

Wait, wait, hold the phone... did I see a NEW donation campaign has been set up? With a $20k goal?



Sitting on hands :banghead:

I just noticed that but some of the comments say that one is a fraud and the Go Fund Me one is legit.

But if that were the case why is Jahi's mom tweeting it? Maybe the commenter was hinting toward a different definition of fraud.

 

[ChristYTN]

I wonder if the 'preacher' they have around them is also encouraging the donation frenzy??
That was my thought from the beginning of this and now that I've seen the amount of $ they've 'raised'...it really really gives me pause.

 

[J1981]

I wonder if the 'preacher' they have around them is also encouraging the donation frenzy??
That was my thought from the beginning of this and now that I've seen the amount of $ they've 'raised'...it really really gives me pause.

Maybe BUT he was also the one to cancel the fundraiser/rally last week per the uncle.

 

[Donjeta]

I find it interesting that no surgeons have come forth to do the procedures. Even those that believe in circulatory death and not brain death.

Why do you think that is? The right to life community would embrace the surgeon as a hero to the little person that is fighting big medicine.

I guess no one believes in circulatory death quite enough to put their career on the line for it. MOO.

 

[scmom]

I don't even think it's about money (yet, anyway-- it will be in a few months.). IMO, this whole angry, stubborn standoff is about the family "forcing" those that they perceive to have disrespected them, and grievously "wronged" them, to suffer as they are suffering, and force the medical establishment to do what they tell them to do. It's the only way they can feel that they "win", IMO.

It's a David and Goliath thing, IMO. They want to slay the giant. It's about winning. This has very little to do with Jahi-- she is being exploited, IMO, for their agenda. JMO. IMHO. MOOooooo.

Exactly. IMO.

 

[Karmady]

I am thinking that previous articles saying this was a "Settlement" conference were incorrect. This sounds more like it. Mediation.

Jahi McMath family, Oakland hospital to enter mediation

A federal magistrate is scheduled to mediate talks Friday between the family of 13-year-old Jahi McMath and the Oakland hospital where the brain-dead girl continues to be kept on a ventilator per a court order.

Each side is slated to present its case to the magistrate during the session. Children's Hospital Oakland argues that Jahi is legally dead and opposes performing medical procedures on a "deceased person." Jahi's family insists that she is still alive, and wants her transferred to a long-term care facility despite a consensus among neurologists that she is dead.


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...iation-20140103,0,5708149.story#ixzz2pLxJroKw

Yes, that's exactly what it is. The magistrate is the facilitator and the goal is settlement via mediated negotiation. Not that I think that will happen, but that's the point. To get it out of the court without any further formal proceedings. Settlement conference is just the nomenclature the court uses when the mediation is facilitated by the court rather than a private mediator. It never means that settlement MUST be accomplished. all jmo

eta: if the magistrate is worth his or her salt, he will use this as an opportunity to educate the parties about the potential outcomes of the issues and the strengths and weaknesses of their various positions. also jmo

 

[MaybeNotToday]

I wonder if the 'preacher' they have around them is also encouraging the donation frenzy??
That was my thought from the beginning of this and now that I've seen the amount of $ they've 'raised'...it really really gives me pause.

I'm telling you guys, the preacher is the key. He needs to feel the pressure to do the right thing. Maybe I'll set up a donation link called "Pastor, do the right thing by Jahi" - let's start trending it!

(I'm really not- just getting so frustrated)

 

[Softail]

Maybe BUT he was also the one to cancel the fundraiser/rally last week per the uncle.

He only cancelled it, because the lawyer said to.

"I was informed, you know, via the attorney to not have the fundraiser because we're still trying to solidify a facility for Jahi and we definitely don't want to raise funds, you know, for something that is not iron clad," Pastor Derrick Mann said.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9375308

 

[ChristYTN]

43,847 raised by 1,256 people in 7 days

 

[Karmady]

I don't even think it's about money (yet, anyway-- it will be in a few months.). IMO, this whole angry, stubborn standoff is about the family "forcing" those that they perceive to have disrespected them, and grievously "wronged" them, to suffer as they are suffering, and force the medical establishment to do what they tell them to do. It's the only way they can feel that they "win", IMO.

It's a David and Goliath thing, IMO. They want to slay the giant. It's about winning. This has very little to do with Jahi-- she is being exploited, IMO, for their agenda. JMO. IMHO. MOOooooo.

I agree, but I can't help wishing the hospital's insurer would show up at the mediation with a $5 million settlement offer -- kind of as an integrity check iykwim

 

[Herat]

I don't even think it's about money (yet, anyway-- it will be in a few months.). IMO, this whole angry, stubborn standoff is about the family "forcing" those that they perceive to have disrespected them, and grievously "wronged" them, to suffer as they are suffering, and force the medical establishment to do what they tell them to do. It's the only way they can feel that they "win", IMO.

It's a David and Goliath thing, IMO. They want to slay the giant. It's about winning. This has very little to do with Jahi-- she is being exploited, IMO, for their agenda. JMO. IMHO. MOOooooo.

THIS

The one line the family has mentioned over and over and over again is supposedly Dr. David Durand, Chief of Pediatrics at CHO saying [she is "dead, dead, dead"]. As if he was jumping up and down screaming it.

I do not know if that is true, but this family would really try the patience of Job and some times plain speaking is needed in to get through to loved ones.

I think they want to humble and publicly humiliate Dr. Durand and make him pay for this statement, by any means possible and Dolan is just the one to come up with the methods.

 

[Donjeta]

So what are the new donations for? Is something supposed to be ironclad now?