Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #7

[Hopeful One]

Good point. I think it's possible NW and MW may have observed nursing staff using the suction device on Jahi, and then when the nursing staff was out of the room (as described in msm) perhaps NW took it upon herself to pick it up again and use it herself?

I just can't see any nursing staff requesting family use such a device, and uncle OS's comments were such that the family had to do this because there was no nursing staff around.....

BBM

Please forgive me as I've been trying to keep up as much as possible but this is one thing I can't seem to find. Where did he say this? He came right out and said Grandma used this device? TIA!! :seeya:

 

[Elley Mae]

“A 13-year-old should not have to suction herself,” Sealey said. “She had to use a suction machine to suction her own blood. Her mother and stepfather had to suction out her blood at points. None of them work for this hospital.”

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Oakland-8th-Grader-Brain-Dead-After-236015681.html

 

[BeginnersLuck]

No matter how much we discuss ethics of death in the modern times, we cannot ignore the HUGE secondary gain from the money numbers floated out there by Dolan.

$30 million is a huge enough number to make normal people do completely insane things.

Especially since the father won a nice check fairly easily against OPD. I think they really underestimate the process they are going to go through for any money. Of course, having a noisly public primed to support you in your David vs Goliath fight never hurts.

JMO

IMO, the main reason why this got so far was because there are those that prey on the vulnerable, for financial gain or to further a agenda.

For every one person that attempted to help the mother in a healthy way with her grief, due to media attention, there were at least two that came out of the wood work that enabled her by telling her what she wants to here.

There is also a distrust of medical professionals or those in positions of authority, by some in our society. It doesn't help when people start saying that there is discrimination on a certain percentage of the population and therefore they don't get the same medical care that others do.

These misconceptions that are alive in certain segments of the population hold us back as a society.

 

[Melanie]

Too quiet. I'm also more than a little surprised that Jahi's location hasn't leaked to the media. :waitasec:

She may very well have left this earthly world already (ie, heart stopped/off ventilator). Maybe the family is holding back and having a private quiet funeral. I wish that for Jahi.

MOO

Mel

 

[CHERIE.T]

Dr. Bryne has an agenda and it is -not- Jahi. As a catholic myself, I am offended he chose to use the word "slave" in his description along with unborn babies.

I wonder if he would have chosen the word slave if Jahi was Caucasian. The man is clearly trying to stoke the fire and it is pathetically sad when he can't rely on scripture, but has to throw in the race card. As if brain death discriminates among races. It doesn't.

So sad how people twist and manipulate situations to suit their agenda's. Shame on you, Dr. Bryne.

THANKS for saying that Cubby! :seeya:

 

[CHERIE.T]

Oh, this guy, this GUY. So, if it squirms in response to stimuli it can't possibly be dead, then. So these frogs are still alive by Dr. Byrne's definition (WARNING: VIDEO MAY BE DISTURBING TO SOME.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_K6VqEQuaA
Completely alive, those frogs. Yeah. Right.

omg Minette :floorlaugh:

 

[CHERIE.T]

President of New Beginnings Allyson Scerri's Fox News Interview

Would give Jahi physical, speech and occupational therapy if she was in her facility. Get a clue woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BTdhCQ2Qrjs

b b m
OMG are you freakin kiddin me?!?! :banghead:
SPEECH THERAPY :thud:

 

[Quester]

[JM] is a living person
January 14, 2014
By Paul A. Byrne, M.D.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/byrne/140114

 

[Isabelle]

“A 13-year-old should not have to suction herself,” Sealey said. “She had to use a suction machine to suction her own blood. Her mother and stepfather had to suction out her blood at points. None of them work for this hospital.”

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Oakland-8th-Grader-Brain-Dead-After-236015681.html

Nurses teaching patient, family, visitors should have included that no one is allowed to suction Jahi or appropriate teaching and return demonstration and documentation of same.

 

[Isabelle]

Absolutely not. If she is a hairdresser, she is qualified to dress hair, not to provide physical, occupational, or any other sort of therapy.

I didn't listen to the interview bc I know it will just tick me off more, but did she say SHE would provide these therapies herself, or that she would hire actual credentialed, licensed professionals? Even if she did hire professionals, what makes her think she is capable of over-seeing these professionals?

Can somebody please order psych evals for EVERYONE connected to this case?


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FYI most nursing homes are owned by people like her!

 

[Minette]

[JM] is a living person
January 14, 2014
By Paul A. Byrne, M.D.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/byrne/140114

Well, he's a...a GUY, isn't he a guy??? Snipped from the article & BBM:

Jahi's temperature is 98 with only a blanket to help keep her warm. Her body metabolism keeps her temperature warm just like yours. Her natural thermostat to control her temperature is in her hypothalamus, which is part of her brain. You have such a thermostat in your brain also.

What kind of blanket doctor?? Could it be....an electric blanket?? Oh, hey, most of us manage to keep our own temperature at around 98.6 without a blanket or anything! We're *extra* alive, I guess!

The only machine used to treat Jahi is a ventilator to push air into her. Jahi pushes the air out. The ventilator is effective only in a living person. The ventilator does not make Jahi's heart beat.

Dear Doctor, please read up on the principles of a bellows, a device that pushes air into a furnace or other mechanism. The air is not 'pushed back out' by the furnace, it escapes on its own as air has a tendency to do when forced with pressure into a contained environment. http://www.chem1.com/acad/webtext/states/changes.html#3B I admit that I have only a passing relationship with physics myself, but even I know that much.

Come on, Doctor Guy, you can't change the laws of physics to suit your personal belief system!

 

[ArianeEmory]

Yeah, that guy certainly doesn't have an agenda or anything. *facepalm*

Once again, I am beyond sad that this will make agonizing decisions regarding critically ill loved ones even harder for people who don't educate themselves on this.

 

[Minette]

Man, I could go on and ON with his misleading statements in that column, but I think I'm only allowed to quote 10% of a given article. All I can say is he's quite a guy.

ETA: I must be very, very old.

 

[Quester]

John Horgan: Readers react to [JM] commentary
Posted: 01/14/2014 04:27:21 PM PST
http://www.mercurynews.com/john-horgan/ci_24912184/john-horgan-readers-react-jahi-mcmath-commentary

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John Horgan: Don't be too quick to judge
Posted: 01/07/2014 07:57:31 PM PST
http://www.mercurynews.com/john-horgan/ci_24865874/john-horgan-dont-be-too-quick-judge

 

[threecrazykids]

[JM] is a living person
January 14, 2014
By Paul A. Byrne, M.D.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/byrne/140114

Well...let's be honest here folks: THIS is the reason NW thinks Jahi is still alive.
You all know my stance on the matter, but as a grieving mother, if THIS is what your "lifeline" doctor was telling you about your child, wouldn't YOU want to believe it?

I know I would. To the average (or not so average) person, take those words on the surface, don't question the validity behind his claimes and she's hearing exactly what she wants to hear...that Jahi is NOT dead.

All she needs in this world is ONE person, better yet, one DOCTOR to fight for Jahi and all is right in her world. She's not GOING to look for other opinions, nor is she going to HEAR other opinions...she has the one she WANTS right here before our eyes.

IMO he is all she thinks she needs. ONE doctor who will concur her declaration that Jahi isn't dead...and she found him.

:banghead:

 

[Nore]

Here's the "family" lawyer's view: http://www.contracostatimes.com/new...describes-jahi-mcmaths-post-surgical-bleeding


Naturally, CHO can NOT release the medical records...Jahi's mother has prohibited that & HIPAA rules remain in effect without a release

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Danzn, can I add Jahi's grandmother is not a nurse. I think LPN is more like it. I've never seen an LPN or NA. use the suction machine, or give meds. At least the many hospitals I've visited. I hope she didnt go ahead anyway.IMO.:seeya:

 

[Cailin Rua]

Come on, Doctor Guy, you can't change the laws of physics to suit your personal belief system!

He doesn't believe in your "Laws" of "Physics."

I always figured gravity was what pushed the air out.

 

[Cubby]

IMO, the main reason why this got so far was because there are those that prey on the vulnerable, for financial gain or to further a agenda.

For every one person that attempted to help the mother in a healthy way with her grief, due to media attention, there were at least two that came out of the wood work that enabled her by telling her what she wants to here.

There is also a distrust of medical professionals or those in positions of authority, by some in our society. It doesn't help when people start saying that there is discrimination on a certain percentage of the population and therefore they don't get the same medical care that others do.

These misconceptions that are alive in certain segments of the population hold us back as a society.

I couldn't have said it better. So many people furthering their agendas on the shoulders of this mothers grief.

 

[Nore]

Well...let's be honest here folks: THIS is the reason NW thinks Jahi is still alive.
You all know my stance on the matter, but as a grieving mother, if THIS is what your "lifeline" doctor was telling you about your child, wouldn't YOU want to believe it?

I know I would. To the average (or not so average) person, take those words on the surface, don't question the validity behind his claimes and she's hearing exactly what she wants to hear...that Jahi is NOT dead.

All she needs in this world is ONE person, better yet, one DOCTOR to fight for Jahi and all is right in her world. She's not GOING to look for other opinions, nor is she going to HEAR other opinions...she has the one she WANTS right here before our eyes.

IMO he is all she thinks she needs. ONE doctor who will concur her declaration that Jahi isn't dead...and she found him.

:banghead:

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I can hardly believe this man is educated. Take Jahi off the ventilator, see her breathing on her OWN she is alive. She will not breathe unfortunately as her brain is totally dead. He is discribing this as though she is a person in a coma. In a coma there is always a chance for a return. Her brain is not in a coma it is dead. As a nurse told me in far less time~the swelling is gone by now. You wouldnt want to see her brain. God help this child. Please. :seeya:

 

[Madeleine74]

As someone who is pragmatic and a realist, even if this were my daughter, I'd have no choice but to concede the simple truth of my situation and would understand that my child was not going to come out of this and, with brain death, there would be no hope. I'm someone who believes that it's important to put a loved one's medical needs and well-being ahead of my own feelings and that goes for losing a loved one to death.

In fact, I just lost my father this past September and the 3 days he was in hospice while we were waiting for him to pass was the most difficult thing because we (my mother and I) just wanted him to be free, at peace, and not have to linger in a body that was no longer working. We only wanted what was best for him and realized his passing was best for him because he was ill and not going to recover. Granted it wasn't a child so the dynamics are different, but I only cared about what was best for him.

I'm sure it's unimaginably difficult to lose a child and so unexpectedly. I can't see how these medical interventions honor the child in any way.