Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery #8

[Nore]

I have a question for anyone who may know.

Jahi had been termed as morbidly obese. Her Mom called it 'thick' rather than overweight. My question is whether or not Jahi will lose a tremendous amount of weight in the (artificial) state she is in. Will her little body waste away?

I know this sounds morbid, but I went to the funeral of a friends Mother many, many years ago and heard someone say, "Rose was so overweight when she got sick. She would be so proud of how small she is now." I don't know why, but I was horrified at what this person said. I was only 10 years old at the time and I have never forgotten it.

Will the breakdown of Jahi's (deceased) body cause her to get smaller, or does whatever the unethical doctor's are doing keep her weight maintained?

This is an uneducated question on my part because I am not knowledgeable of the medical aspects.

TIA & MOO

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I hope this helps. my son did lose weight when at first he was on IV's only. He recieved a gtube to get proper nutrition. He gained weight with the Jevity.He always watched his weight, built nice, 6' 1" 170# when he had the stroke. He worked out bench pressed 300#, didnt smoke, an occaisonal beer. Go figure. I'd say her weight will~disappear? I wish we had a coroner here. Wheres Machushla when we need her...:loveyou:

 

[Nore]

I see this insurance agent wrote about it but he didn't get into specifics of coverage.

http://www.geldin.com/2014/01/02/blog/brain-dead-teenager-002402.html

There are no comments under his FB post.

I'm sure he would answer your questions.

I think if a person had life insurance and a death certificate they would be able to get the payout on that. This is such a odd situation.

She's dead, but a few say she's not.
She has a death certificate but she is still being provided medical treatment.

Freaky, IMO

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The site www Geldin brought a warning of a bad virus! I closed the page. AVG.took care of the virus...Just sayin'..:seeya:

 

[BeginnersLuck]

It's interesting to see how the statutes have evolved. Here is a article from 1985 prior to New Jersey enacting the statute to include brain death. Prior to doing so, families would have to go to court to get loved ones removed from ventilator support.

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/09/01/nyregion/new-jersey-opinion-we-need-a-brain-death-law.html

I couldn't imagine having to watch a loved on in that state and not being allowed to let them go. I can't imagine the laws reversing.

All states have enacted the statute including New Jersey. New Jersey is the only one though that has a "religious exclusion" written into the statute.

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/adoption/bmeado57.htm

13:35-6A.6 Exemption to accommodate personal religious beliefs

Death shall not be declared on the basis of neurological criteria if the examining physician has reason to believe, on the basis of information in the patient's available medical records, or information provided by a member of the patient's family or any other person knowledgeable about the patient's personal religious beliefs, that such a declaration would violate the personal religious beliefs of the patient. In these cases, death shall be declared, and the time of death fixed, solely upon the basis of cardio-respiratory criteria.

 

[shana]

How tragic it is, if/when Jahi's mother comes to terms with her daughter's death, she will also have to recognize how 'others' used this sad case as a platform for their own agendas, including her very own brother.

I could say more...for another thread in another place...

If he were my grandson, I'd have slapped him upside his head weeks ago.

The more he talks and sends pix over the net, the more we learn just how much he cares about himself FAR more than he does his niece and his own sister. So PAINFUL to watch.

~jmo~

 

[BeginnersLuck]

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The site www Geldin brought a warning of a bad virus! I closed the page. AVG.took care of the virus...Just sayin'..:seeya:

I didn't get a virus warning but I deleted my above post just in case. Thanks

 

[shana]

I didn't get a virus warning but I deleted my above post just in case. Thanks

Nor did I, but this is not necessarily unusual...depends on what 'virus' checkers individuals are using. One can check further at sites on the net for false positives or why a particular site triggers some a-v programs to alert.

~fwiw/jmo~

 

[momrids6]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/08/health/jahi-mcmath-update/index.html

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[momrids6]

https://www.facebook.com/TeamJahiAFamilyInDenial?ws&nr

 

[al66pine]

https://www.facebook.com/TeamJahiAFamilyInDenial?ws&nr

To expand a bit on momrid6's post,
there is speculation about which facility Jahi is now in.

What a sad situation for everyone.

 

[2Hope4]

There by the Grace of God go I. I pray I'm NEVER in the position her parents are in, and that I NEVER have to make such decisions. I have, and can let my animals go if I think they are suffering, I can't say about my child. I just don't know, and don't wanna know what I would do!

 

[Donjeta]

I don't know what to make of this after reading so much about brain death and that there is no chance of recovery:

'Miracle recovery' of teen declared brain dead by four doctors

I wonder if he was ever really declared brain dead or if it's just a family/reporter mischaracterization. There are no quotes from doctors or medical records saying he was diagnosed brain dead and the article does not describe the results of the battery of the usual brain death tests beyond "brain scans that failed to detect any electrical pulses" (what is that? brain scans usually refer to CT or MRI or PET imaging but electrical impulses are usually detected using EEG). The article doesn't mention the results of cerebral blood flow scans, apnea tests and brain stem reflex testing, if any.

Steven Thorpe, then 17, suffered horrific injuries in a multiple car crash, leaving him in a medically-induced coma and another man dead.

He was in a medically induced coma, which means that he was sedated unconscious. You can't really make a reliable brain death diagnosis if the patient is under the influence of a lot of drugs that depress the central nervous system functioning.

Doctors told his family he would never recover and asked them to consider donating his organs before his life-support machine was turned off.

A false prediction, as it turns out, but it's not exactly the same thing as saying that he was brain dead.

Instead, Steven&#8217;s father enlisted the help of private GP Julia Piper to check his son again as doctors at University Hospital in Coventry, West Midlands, agreed to let a neurologist re-examine him.

Remarkably, he detected faint brain waves indicating Steven had a slim chance of recovery and medics decided to attempt to bring him out of his coma.

This paragraph just seems a little weird to me. They had him sedated into a comatose state and hadn't even considered trying to bring him out of the medically induced coma and seeing if he responds before declaring his situation hopeless? It could be there is something a little off with the reporting.

Just five weeks later, he was discharged from hospital having made a near-full recovery.

Long article here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...teen-declared-brain-dead-by-four-doctors.html

I would love to see on what basis he was declared brain dead, or if the doctors just thought that he was a hopeless case based on the severity of his injuries. This article doesn't make it clear at all.

 

[Elley Mae]

"The injury to Steven&#8217;s brain was extremely critical and several CT scans of the head showed almost irreversible damage," said a recent statement released by the hospital.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/a-british-car-accident-vi_n_1450113.html

bbm

 

[popsicle]

Kids get uneven tonsil care, study finds

Maggie Fox NBC News
5 hours ago

Prices vary, also, often with little apparent rhyme or reason. Last week another study found that the hospital charges in California for giving birth can vary from $3,000 to $37,000 &#8211; and that&#8217;s for a simple, uncomplicated delivery.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-get-uneven-tonsil-care-study-finds-2D11955074

 

[Donjeta]

"The injury to Steven’s brain was extremely critical and several CT scans of the head showed almost irreversible damage," said a recent statement released by the hospital.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/a-british-car-accident-vi_n_1450113.html

bbm

In a recent TBI symposium I attended, one of the speakers spoke at length about the surprising cases in which the outcome doesn't match the severity of the initial injury. Some present at the ER with relatively mild symptoms and the brain scans are normal or near normal but they may still be incapacitated with severe headaches and cognitive symptoms etc. months or years later. Some are brought in unconscious and have critical brain abnormality and spend several weeks comatose in the ICU yet recover well enough to return to work and independent living.

These miraculous recoveries and the opposite cases are common enough that the speaker said that their next research project aims to look at these people and find out what makes the difference, why is that some people make a near full recovery from critical injuries and some are left more disabled by injuries that seemed mild in comparison when they first arrived at the ER.

 

[Harmony 2]

*selective social media is allowed as long as it has to do with Jahi's condition, the hospital or related to the case. Anything personal is OFF LIMITS. It must PERTAIN to the case.

The families schedules are personal in nature and therefore not pertinent to this discussion unless it pertains to the case in some way. For example, family visiting Jahi at the facility and tweeting that information would be relevant.

 

[popsicle]

Status hearing in Jahi Mcmath case is April 2, 2014 at 3pm via telephone

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...4_notice_of_status_conference.pdf&chrome=true

 

[Opie]

Status hearing in Jahi Mcmath case is April 2, 2014 at 3pm via telephone

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...4_notice_of_status_conference.pdf&chrome=true

Thanks for posting that, popsicle. Can any of our legal folks here explain what all that means? I can grasp "conference call," but after that I'm lost.

Thanks in advance.

 

[popsicle]

Sam Singer &#8207;@samsinger 7m
'Routine' tonsillectomies not so routine &#8211; The Chart - http://CNN.com Blogs #JahiMcMath: http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/20/routine-tonsillectomies-not-so-routine/ &#8230;

 

[Karmady]

Thanks for posting that, popsicle. Can any of our legal folks here explain what all that means? I can grasp "conference call," but after that I'm lost.

Thanks in advance.

Looks like SOP, to me. Here is the link to find the Judge's standing orders, which are referenced and incorporated in the order posted.

http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/sbaorders

And here's the link to the ADR assignment protocol

http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/adr

So, looks to me like a standard scheduling conference that's done in all civil cases for setting deadlines and such. Nothing out of the ordinary, imo, fwiw. And you can pretty much ignore everything after the first two pages, also imo.

jmo

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I hope that Jahi has been laid to rest before April 2. :rose: