Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[docyabut]

Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

It’s been 28 years since the case captivated the county.

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[Marie A]

Praying for justice for Jon Benet and knowing in my heart and mind that her loving and doting family had absolutely nothing to do with her untimely and tragic death.
They continue to be unjustly tormented by accusations all these years later.
I can’t even imagine the living nightmare that her poor father and brother are enduring so many years after the fact.
Secondly, praying that her father John lives to see John Benet’s killer brought to justice. May truth and justice prevail.

 

[docyabut]

Forgot to add John Ramsey joined the Navy in 1966, served as a Civil Engineer Corps officer in the Philippines for three years, and in an Atlanta reserve unit for an additional eight years

John Bennett Ramsey - Wikipedia

 

[Tricia]

The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin. I have no idea who killed JonBenet but there was no intruder and Patsy wrote the note in my opinion.
This case is literally why I got into true crime. December 1996.
I have watched some of the documentary and it's so slanted with the intruder spin it makes me angry.
Please look through our JBR forum and see the evidence presented so well here.
If you have proof of an intruder please present it. Until then we need to clear the people in the house and that has yet to happen. Feel free to ask any questions on this thread.
What is truly sad is people like me can show you the spin and the lies yet mainstream media ignores it all.

 

[OpalescentMoon]

The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin. I have no idea who killed JonBenet but there was no intruder and Patsy wrote the note in my opinion.
This case is literally why I got into true crime. December 1996.
I have watched some of the documentary and it's so slanted with the intruder spin it makes me angry.
Please look through our JBR forum and see the evidence presented so well here.
If you have proof of an intruder please present it. Until then we need to clear the people in the house and that has yet to happen. Feel free to ask any questions on this thread.
What is truly sad is people like me can show you the spin and the lies yet mainstream media ignores it all.

"The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin." do you have proof or is this just your opinion?

 

[AddieBoo]

Finding JR public statements of gratitude to Lockheed very interesting. Does anyone else suspect that Lockheed has been calling the shots on this case?
Also noted that (last years?) crime convention JR made statement about checking DNA of Burkes friends…. And now he has divulged that one of Burkes friends accompanied, solo, Burke and the rest of the Ramsey family on their plane out of Bolder days after the murder….? Was that Doug Stine? JR didn’t remember…

 

[bestill]

The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin. I have no idea who killed JonBenet but there was no intruder and Patsy wrote the note in my opinion.
This case is literally why I got into true crime. December 1996.
I have watched some of the documentary and it's so slanted with the intruder spin it makes me angry.
Please look through our JBR forum and see the evidence presented so well here.
If you have proof of an intruder please present it. Until then we need to clear the people in the house and that has yet to happen. Feel free to ask any questions on this thread.
What is truly sad is people like me can show you the spin and the lies yet mainstream media ignores it all.

Will never forget the announcement about her in the news the day after Christmas. Such a precious little girl and can't believe it's nearly 30 years! I hope to see justice for Jon Benet in my lifetime! This is one that haunts you.

 

[Tricia]

"The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin." do you have proof or is this just your opinion?

I have lot of proof. But it's not my proof. It's proof from the professionals who have looked at this case. Yes it is my opinion but my opinion is based on proof. There are mountains of proof. I have to head out but over the weekend I will present some of the proof that points to no intruder. Until then feel free to ask questions and I will do my best to answer them.

 

[Cedars]

I will present some of the proof that points to no intruder.

Maybe "points to", but crime solving needs something that categorically rules out any other possibility beyond a reasonable doubt, which I don't believe is possible, as the police didn't seal off the property and seriously investigate for evidence of an intruder.

And if the evidence is strong against the Ramsey's, why have they never been charged?

Until someone is charged and the evidence presented in court, and someone is convicted, every crime is unsolved. So at this point it is all just speculation. The word 'proof, just means 'my personal opinion'.

JMO

 

[AddieBoo]

Maybe "points to", but crime solving needs something that 'categorically rules out any possibility beyond a reasonable doubt', which I don't believe is possible, as the police didn't seal off the property and seriously investigate for evidence of an intruder.

And if the evidence is strong against the Ramsey's, why have they never been charged?

Until someone is charged and the evidence presented in court, and someone is convicted, every crime is unsolved. So at this point it is all just speculation. The word 'proof, just means 'my personal opinion'.

JMO

Actually a Grand Jury heard testimony for months and voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey on 2 counts each. Child abuse and coverup. They heard everything including all evidence about an intruder. Burke Ramsey testified and so did Doug Stine. John and Patsy did not. There is no evidence of an intruder. None.

 

[UncoolNegated]

I took a course called "Introduction to Forensic Science" from Coursera during the pandemic (the screenshot is from that course). The professor who taught the course was very knowledgeable. His name was Roderick Bates. He used the JonBenet Ramsey case as a case study in the course. One major point he made was that the police took ages to secure the crime scene. He also went through the entire ransom note, but I didn't find his analysis there too important. He felt the ransom note was a divergence from the fact that the body was in the house. But his opinion was that the Boulder police made major mistakes at the start.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin. I have no idea who killed JonBenet but there was no intruder and Patsy wrote the note in my opinion.
This case is literally why I got into true crime. December 1996.
I have watched some of the documentary and it's so slanted with the intruder spin it makes me angry.
Please look through our JBR forum and see the evidence presented so well here.
If you have proof of an intruder please present it. Until then we need to clear the people in the house and that has yet to happen. Feel free to ask any questions on this thread.
What is truly sad is people like me can show you the spin and the lies yet mainstream media ignores it all.

Same here- I’ve followed this case from the very start. I just finished watching episode 1 on Netflix
I’m shaking with anger at all the evidence that’s being LEFT OUT!
It’s ridiculous….gottta go for a long walk before I watch episode 2

 

[Cedars]

There is no evidence of an intruder. None.

Ok, but there are still many cases where there's no evidence of an intruder, but there WAS an intruder. For example, in many crimes committed by the Golden State serial killer, there were no signs of break-in. Police believe he may have broken in to some places several times, so as to become familiar with the dwelling and to leave something unlocked for his future invasion. He was good at putting things back in order when he wanted to.

ETA, with regard to the grand jury indictment, then why didn't the prosecution proceed?

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Becay

Ok, but there are still many cases where there's no evidence of an intruder, but there WAS an intruder. For example, in many crimes committed by the Golden State serial killer, there were no signs of break-in. Police believe he may have broken in to some places several times, so as to become familiar with the dwelling and to leave something unlocked for his future invasion. He was good at putting things back in order when he wanted to.

ETA, with regard to the grand jury indictment, then why didn't the prosecution proceed?

JMO

Ok, but there are still many cases where there's no evidence of an intruder, but there WAS an intruder. For example, in many crimes committed by the Golden State serial killer, there were no signs of break-in. Police believe he may have broken in to some places several times, so as to become familiar with the dwelling and to leave something unlocked for his future invasion. He was good at putting things back in order when he wanted to.

ETA, with regard to the grand jury indictment, then why didn't the prosecution proceed?

JMO

Ok, but there are still many cases where there's no evidence of an intruder, but there WAS an intruder. For example, in many crimes committed by the Golden State serial killer, there were no signs of break-in. Police believe he may have broken in to some places several times, so as to become familiar with the dwelling and to leave something unlocked for his future invasion. He was good at putting things back in order when he wanted to.

ETA, with regard to the grand jury indictment, then why didn't the prosecution proceed?

JMO

Because proving which one did what EXACTLY isn’t possible.

 

[Cedars]

Because proving which one did what EXACTLY isn’t possible.

That's often been a problem and is solved with conspiracy charges, like Lori and Chad Daybell's trial.

IMO the biggest reason would be the DNA inside her panties hasn't been linked to anyone yet. Prosecution couldn't succeed until they first identify the source of that, and then somehow exonerate that person.

JMO

 

[docyabut]

Did you all know a male`s DNA was found on JonBenét Ramsey's clothing and a weapon in the 1996 murder case ? Her whole family and all the friends were tested and all the men in the untold story tested and the law couldn't find any matchings.

Watch Hunting JonBenét's Killer: The Untold Story | A&E

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THIS CASE COULD BE SOLVED IN THE Philippines Criminal DATA BASE DNA?Yes in finding the matching to the male`s DNA was found on JonBenét Ramsey's clothing and a weapon in the 1996 murder case

 

[abyquinn]

Same here- I’ve followed this case from the very start. I just finished watching episode 1 on Netflix
I’m shaking with anger at all the evidence that’s being LEFT OUT!
It’s ridiculous….gottta go for a long walk before I watch episode 2

I haven’t watched it yet. Are these things being left out to be presented in Episode 2/3 or is it being dropped?
Was it just the families wealth that saved them from being prosecuted originally or a combination of wealth, connections & LE botching the investigation? If this was an inside job why is JR asking for dna on whatever he wants tested? Does he know it isn’t related to the crime or something else?
It’s been so long, I’m interested in what you & Tricia have to say.

 

[caradana]

Is it actually possible that this case HASN’T been put through exhaustive genetic g by Boulder PD within the last couple of years??? With evidence of SA?

 

[Cedars]

Same here- I’ve followed this case from the very start. I just finished watching episode 1 on Netflix
I’m shaking with anger at all the evidence that’s being LEFT OUT!
It’s ridiculous….gottta go for a long
before I watch episode 2

It's just a TV series, right? It's not an actual trial. Since when did TV series ever portray all the evidence?

Obviously, if people are that passionately committed to one opinion, they're never going to budge from it, no matter what.

JMO

 

[UncoolNegated]

Actually a Grand Jury heard testimony for months and voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey on 2 counts each. Child abuse and coverup. They heard everything including all evidence about an intruder. Burke Ramsey testified and so did Doug Stine. John and Patsy did not. There is no evidence of an intruder. None.

But the crime scene was not secured for several hours after the original phone call to the police at 545 AM. So any trace evidence of an intruder could easily have been affected by all of the traffic in and out of the home. A lot of people were in and out of the house before the crime scene was secured.

Also, the chance that Patsy Ramsey wrote the note is considered to be low based on handwriting analysis. It's not John Ramsey's handwriting. That means it almost certainly must have been written by someone else. And the pen and notepad for the writing were from inside the house. To think that there was no intruder, you have to think that it's Patsy's handwriting despite the low probability of that. Or you have to think that the notepad and pen were taken outside of the house to a third party who wrote the note and then Patsy or John placed it there. All to kill their six-year-old child?

It's fanciful to think like that. What makes a lot more sense is that the intruder wrote the note as a diversion, killed JonBenet, and then the trace evidence of his intrusion was simply eliminated by all the people who entered the house before the police realized the totality of the crime scene and secured it accordingly.

Screenshots are from "Introduction to Forensic Science" by Roderick Bates at Coursera.