Fencesitters & Not Guilty Post Here - THREAD NO. 2

[Pinkhammer]

RE: Mr. Hoole and his famous cases--the Moors murders were in 1963 to 1965; the Yorkshire Ripper investigation was from 1975-1980.

DNA technology had not yet been invented.

I daresay Mr. Hoole is a little rusty when it comes to modern investigative techniques.

It also appears from his resume that he worked mainly in a managerial capacity, and was not a hands-on investigator.

And, of course, he has landed in the ethereal world of Academia.

 

[gord]

RE: Mr. Hoole and his famous cases--the Moors murders were in 1963 to 1965; the Yorkshire Ripper investigation was from 1975-1980.

DNA technology had not yet been invented.

I daresay Mr. Hoole is a little rusty when it comes to modern investigative techniques.

It also appears from his resume that he worked mainly in a managerial capacity, and was not a hands-on investigator.

And, of course, he has landed in the ethereal world of Academia.

ok ok fair point - Mr Hoole might not be the best person to use . The science in the end will come out hopefully the labs will give their results and hopefully soon we will see the outcome

 

[april4sky]

Kate and Gerry McCann are the victims of a "witch-hunt", Britain's former top police officer has said.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1289261,00.html

Lord Stevens lambasted the "sheer inadequacy" of the Portuguese police investigation, which he said has failed to produce any hard evidence.

"I've been a detective at the most senior level for 30 years and have never seen such a witch-hunt, or one based on such flimsy evidence."

 

[philamena]

I see a lot of the investigation as a type of witch hunt because it seems that the media is quick to convict the McCann's on so little confirmed information.
I still feel like there are few confirmed facts about little Maddie's disappearance.

 

[Barnaby]

Kate and Gerry McCann are the victims of a "witch-hunt", Britain's former top police officer has said.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1289261,00.html

Lord Stevens lambasted the "sheer inadequacy" of the Portuguese police investigation, which he said has failed to produce any hard evidence.

"I've been a detective at the most senior level for 30 years and have never seen such a witch-hunt, or one based on such flimsy evidence."

Dunno if I would call cadaver dogs going mad after a scent flimsy evidence.

 

[april4sky]

Dunno if I would call cadaver dogs going mad after a scent flimsy evidence.

"what evidence"?
Have dna results confirmed the cadaver dogs reaction was to Madeleines body?

 

[Barnaby]

"what evidence"?
Have dna results confirmed the cadaver dogs reaction was to Madeleines body?

Full DNA test results are not back but do you not think it a bit strange that the dogs picked up a cadaver scent (body has to have been deceased for two hours to leave scent) in the apartment, on Kates clothes, on cuddle cat & in the boot of the car? It has been confirmed that noone else died in that apartment.

 

[april4sky]

Full DNA test results are not back but do you not think it a bit strange that the dogs picked up a cadaver scent (body has to have been deceased for two hours to leave scent) in the apartment, on Kates clothes, on cuddle cat & in the boot of the car? It has been confirmed that noone else died in that apartment.

I have no idea what the dogs were reacting to.
But I doubt it was to Madeleines body. I don't buy into the McCanns hiding her body for 25 days. And I won't condemn them on speculation.

 

[SleuthMom]

Full DNA test results are not back but do you not think it a bit strange that the dogs picked up a cadaver scent (body has to have been deceased for two hours to leave scent) in the apartment, on Kates clothes, on cuddle cat & in the boot of the car? It has been confirmed that noone else died in that apartment.

And Kate's Bible and car keys....

Is speculation that too? Yeah right.

 

[colomom]

And Kate's Bible and car keys....

Is speculation that too? Yeah right.

Not to mention in the apartment.

 

[SleuthMom]

Not to mention in the apartment.

EXACTLY!!!!

 

[Texana]

Why would it be flimsy evidence to think that perhaps the scent a cadaver dog alerted to might involve the body of a child missing for over 150 days?

She hasn't been found and repeated sightings turn out to be false alarms.

The reward money remains untouched.

I hope as much as anyone else that Madeleine is found alive, but it's certainly credible to follow a line of thinking that goes along with the possibility that she's not alive--especially when dogs trained to alert to the scents given off by decomposing body alert more than once to things/places associated with Madeleine.

 

[philamena]

Not to mention in the apartment.

Help me out here, are you saying the cadaver dogs hit in the apartment where the family stayed? Or are saying that the dogs hit on items in the apartment that they stayed in? What's about the bible? I think I must have missed bible information.

TIA

 

[colomom]

Help me out here, are you saying the cadaver dogs hit in the apartment where the family stayed? Or are saying that the dogs hit on items in the apartment that they stayed in? What's about the bible? I think I must have missed bible information.

TIA

Hi Philamena,

I recall reading that the cadaver dogs detected the scent of a corpse on Kate's jeans and shirt, her bible, the key to the Renault, Cuddle Cat, in the boot of the Renault, in their apartment (in the wardrobe and behind the couch, I think) and in a second apartment. Does anybody recall seeing where they even hit on clothes of one of the Tapas 7 back in England?

The bible is mentioned here: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22417847-5003416,00.html

 

[april4sky]

And Kate's Bible and car keys....

Is speculation that too? Yeah right.

The DNA results are Not back. So yes your right...just speculation!!

 

[colomom]

The DNA results are Not back. So yes your right...just speculation!!

Actually, the dogs and their findings have nothing to do with the DNA tests. The DNA tests would have been done on blood, hair and bodily fluids. The findings of the dogs was widely reported by many different sources, including a direct quote from Olegario de Sousa.

So, in this particular aspect of the case, it is not speculation. As far as I am concerned, the dogs finding the cadaver scent in all those places, is fact.

 

[SleuthMom]

Actually, the dogs and their findings have nothing to do with the DNA tests. The DNA tests would have been done on blood, hair and bodily fluids. The findings of the dogs was widely reported by many different sources, including a direct quote from Olegario de Sousa.

So, in this particular aspect of the case, it is not speculation. As far as I am concerned, the dogs finding the cadaver scent in all those places, is fact.

Thank you Colomom, you saved me from writing that.

 

[philamena]

Hi Philamena,

I recall reading that the cadaver dogs detected the scent of a corpse on Kate's jeans and shirt, her bible, the key to the Renault, Cuddle Cat, in the boot of the Renault, in their apartment (in the wardrobe and behind the couch, I think) and in a second apartment. Does anybody recall seeing where they even hit on clothes of one of the Tapas 7 back in England?

The bible is mentioned here: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22417847-5003416,00.ht\
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colomom,
Thanks so much. I remembered reading about the cadaver dogs hitting on Kate's clothes and the car but somehow missed the information about the bible. Thanks again for the link and the information.
From the above article:

Cadaver dogs sent from Britain had also detected "the scent of death" on Kate McCann's clothes and her Bible.

How in heaven's name did Kate explain the death scent on her bible? I'm going to search for a explanation for that because imo, that can't be easily explained.

 

[april4sky]

Actually, the dogs and their findings have nothing to do with the DNA tests. The DNA tests would have been done on blood, hair and bodily fluids. The findings of the dogs was widely reported by many different sources, including a direct quote from Olegario de Sousa.

So, in this particular aspect of the case, it is not speculation. As far as I am concerned, the dogs finding the cadaver scent in all those places, is fact.

Its still not "evidence" of Madeleine. Which is where this all started.
As to fact....PLE leaks of the places cadaver dogs reacted to.
Olegario de Sousa was the spokesman and said what he was told to say...he later quit in disgust.
Which begs the question..what is fact and what is fiction....and not forgetting smears?

 

[gord]

Its still not "evidence" of Madeleine. Which is where this all started.
As to fact....PLE leaks of the places cadaver dogs reacted to.
Olegario de Sousa was the spokesman and said what he was told to say...he later quit in disgust.
Which begs the question..what is fact and what is fiction....and not forgetting smears?

exactly April - the cadaver dogs is not evidence - it will probably not even be admisable in court . It is a tool that the police can use to help them find evidence . There have been many reports outling that dogs can be up 40% accurate .

Granted it can point suspicion - but that is it ,