Fiber Analysis

[Imbackon]

Hope I did this right.
First picture looks like Casey is actually sandwiched between TL and another person as they walk in.
Second picture is I believe Casey and TL, where the other person is off camera.

Later pics in the sequence show Casey wearing Grey looking tank top with blue shorts.

My question is what is happening in the second picture where it appears she is either pulling something over her head, or maybe just doing her usual fidgeting with her hair and cap?
Since I can't see what she has on in the first picture, it is hard to tell what she actually had on when he she entered the store.

 

[3doglady]

In the GV interview that took place in the A home there is a coverlet on KC's bed that looks blue. I'm assuming that any bed covers in Florida would be cotton. Too hot for anything else.

 

[wenwe4]

CVC in the fiber industry means Chief Value of Cotton
and the only reference I could find to T/C = 50% Cotton & 50% poly

 

[Harmony 2]

In the notations on p. 12 of the report you linked
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/GASTANK-DUCTTAPEEVIDENCE.pdf
those are not stars before "Q23-Q25"--they are "NOT EQUAL TO" signs. I.e., these fibers do NOT match those found in the trunk.

AZ is this what you are referring to- see attachment below?

page 10

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/conwayrelease.pdf

 

[3doglady]

CVC in the fiber industry means Chief Value of Cotton
and the only reference I could find to T/C = 50% Cotton & 50% poly

I thought TC maybe in reference to thread count.

 

[3doglady]

AZ is this what you are referring to- see attachment below?

page 10

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/conwayrelease.pdf

Does this mean Caylee was double bagged before being put in the trunk?

 

[BeanE]

In the notations on p. 12 of the report you linked
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/GASTANK-DUCTTAPEEVIDENCE.pdf
those are not stars before "Q23-Q25"--they are "NOT EQUAL TO" signs. I.e., these fibers do NOT match those found in the trunk.

Thank you, AZ. I converted the PDF file to HTML so I could search it and apparently it converted the not equal to *. The *s in my post are actually copy/pastes from the converted document. Had no idea it would do that and I didn't go back to look at the original PDF. So sorry. I'll check for conversions like that in the future.

Thank you for your sharp eyes!

 

[AZlawyer]

AZ is this what you are referring to- see attachment below?

page 10

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/conwayrelease.pdf

Yes, that document is the FBI's conclusion that they reached after making the notes in the document I linked. I.e., their notes said the fibers on the tape, etc., were NOT EQUAL TO the fibers in the trunk, therefore their conclusion was that there was no transfer of fibers.

 

[Harmony 2]

AZ is this what you are referring to- see attachment below?

page 10

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/conwayrelease.pdf

To surmise the statement on page 10 with evidence numbers:

No apparent transfer of textile fibers was detected between the following specimens from the remains scene:

Q59- hair mass
Q60- debris from skull
Q62- duct tape
Q63- duct tape
Q64- duct tape
Q78 - debris from right humerus
Q80 - shorts
Q81 - clothing
Q83 - piece of fabric
Q84 - laundry bag
Q85 - plastic bag
Q89 - collection paper from drying cabinet
Q92 - piece of fabric
Q104 - Duct Tape found separately- chewed on one end
Q106 - Collection paper
Q294 - piece of fabric from right scapula
Q295 - piece of plastic from laundry bag found with remains
Q296 - piece of plastic from laundry bag found with remains

And the following specimens submitted from the trunk of the vehicle:

q23 - spare tire cover
q24 - left side of trunk liner
q25 - right side of trunk liner
q25.1 - debris from q25 -
q26 - debris from trunk
q27 - debris from inside trunk
q28 - debris from trunk interior and fender well interior
q54 - vacuum sweepings from spare tire wheel well
Q330 - debris from inside trunk
Q332 - debris from spare tire cover

(Note: I get confused with the evidence numbers so feel free to make any corrections.)

 

[Harmony 2]

Does this mean Caylee was double bagged before being put in the trunk?

It appears that way 3doglady.

 

[snow_walker]

Since the blue fusion dress seems to be unaccounted for, I wonder if it might have been borrowed? And the owner managed to retrieve it..

I am puzzled at the number of fibers found with the body, seems like a lot of fiber in her hair in particular..
Of course you would expect some, but seems there are many of several different sorts..but how does one know what is 'normal' under such abnormal circumstances? and of course they might be mere 'dust', so to speak, that only a forensics person is apt to notice.

 

[BeanE]

Since the blue fusion dress seems to be unaccounted for, I wonder if it might have been borrowed? And the owner managed to retrieve it..

I am puzzled at the number of fibers found with the body, seems like a lot of fiber in her hair in particular..
Of course you would expect some, but seems there are many of several different sorts..but how does one know what is 'normal' under such abnormal circumstances? and of course they might be mere 'dust', so to speak, that only a forensics person is apt to notice.

Agreed. Also with all the blue fibers, from what I read in the document on Fiber Analysis I linked earlier in the thread, blue fibers are very common and hard to track to the source.

 

[travelgal]

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Hope I did this right.
First picture looks like Casey is actually sandwiched between TL and another person as they walk in.
Second picture is I believe Casey and TL, where the other person is off camera.

Later pics in the sequence show Casey wearing Grey looking tank top with blue shorts.

My question is what is happening in the second picture where it appears she is either pulling something over her head, or maybe just doing her usual fidgeting with her hair and cap?
Since I can't see what she has on in the first picture, it is hard to tell what she actually had on when he she entered the store.

I do agree with you, Imbackon, it does look like KC is taking off her shirt in photo #2. I don't believe I had seen these pics before - only the pics of them leaving Blockbuster. That is weird, if I noticed someone doing that in a store I would remember them. Too bad these pictures aren't clearer and in better colorvision. Dang, they make our work difficult, huh?? :wink:

 

[3doglady]

Maybe I missed it but I did not see where the fibers from duct tape on hair mass was compared to fiber on gas can duct tape.

 

[3doglady]

I just noticed that Q66(gas can tape) is described as 2.75" in length, clear plastic, WORN. Oh GA, sounds like that tape had been on there for awhile when LE got it.

 

[Wudge]

Yes, that document is the FBI's conclusion that they reached after making the notes in the document I linked. I.e., their notes said the fibers on the tape, etc., were NOT EQUAL TO the fibers in the trunk, therefore their conclusion was that there was no transfer of fibers.

Not a single trunk fiber was found on the tape -- sounds like still more exculpatory evidence.

Prosecutors are not doing well as regards locating any inculpatory fiber, tape, DNA or hair evidence, rest assured the defense appreciates these gifts from the State.

 

[cecybeans]

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Hope I did this right.
First picture looks like Casey is actually sandwiched between TL and another person as they walk in.
Second picture is I believe Casey and TL, where the other person is off camera.

Later pics in the sequence show Casey wearing Grey looking tank top with blue shorts.

My question is what is happening in the second picture where it appears she is either pulling something over her head, or maybe just doing her usual fidgeting with her hair and cap?
Since I can't see what she has on in the first picture, it is hard to tell what she actually had on when he she entered the store.

Thanks for pulling that up for us! I think the strange person is in the front because I can see Tony's blue and white shirt on the arms of the person in the middle. It looks like KC is bringing up the rear and has a triangle scarf on her head or something. In another photo it looked to me like her shirt was multi-colored with light blue, but gray is also a possibility. You're right she is probably messing around with her cap - she can't keep her hands off herself. There is another shot of them from the back I believe - right near the counter - and I got a better gander at her top in that one.

Also - regarding that blanket that was supposedly stored in the trunk. I think it was plaid? Could that have blue fibers (or black and white ones) on it? Perhaps she laid it out over the bottom of the trunk and set Caylee on top of it. Was that blanket ever recovered into evidence?

 

[Imbackon]

Not a single trunk fiber was found on the tape -- sounds like still more exculpatory evidence.

Prosecutors are not doing well as regards locating any inculpatory fiber, tape, DNA or hair evidence, rest assured the defense appreciates these gifts from the State.

since she bagged her before putting her in the trunk

 

[mom2chloe]

So this might be a good place to discuss the blue dress from the Fusion pictures that has never appeared as having been taken into evidence in ANY documents we have seen thus far? That dress certainly appeared to be cotton and it was definitely blue but not light blue as one of the fibers is referenced as. Hmmm...wonder if the dress was IN the trunk and she had to dispose of it somewhere else or if they DO have the dress and just have not told us about it yet? Where IS that blasted dress???!!!

Thanks for the thread Beane-another great idea from the Bean!!!

BBM
Months ago, in reviewing the ping threads, I reread Nate's LE interview and had forgotten that he mentioned the fact that KC had left Fusion prior to pounding a few shots and heading on stage for the Hot Body Contest. Apparently, she went out to her car and (paraphrasing here ) changed from a "skirt thing" into the infamous blue dress. Check the June 20 ping thread, late in the posts or Nate's interview with LE. I have always believed that the fact that she got drunk that night was because she was relieved by something :waitasec:...

ETA, from the 6/20 ping thread, From Nate's interview with LE,
"So she changed. At that point she had like a skirt in her car or something. So she changed into that blue outfit at that point. Based at the realization that hey, I’m about to get on stage and do some dancing she did proceed to pound some shots and some drinks before she got up on stage to I think."

 

[Harmony 2]

Maybe I missed it but I did not see where the fibers from duct tape on hair mass was compared to fiber on gas can duct tape.

Check this out...

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Thoughts?