fingerprints and pubic hairs

[cami]

Because that is not how the system works. We are lucky when truth even has a seat in our courtrooms today. For the most part, trials have become a chess game with the LE's trying to outwit each other. But I gotta say that every time I want to change it, something happens to make me thankful we didn't.

I tend to agree Goody. I don't think it's much about guilt or innocence in the courtroom but what's legal. At least it appears that way to me.

 

[Goody]

I don't know. I never understood why her husband would ask her to get wet towels as he was trained as a parmedic.

Why get wet towels?
My son had a cut on his head as a child and it bled, I got a towel(dry) and held it tight to his cut to stop the bleeding. I pressed on it and did stop the bleeding. I would never have chosen to wet the towel. Thinking back, if he were in jeapordy of death I would never have chosen to wet a towel.
I have no idea why a person would except for this case I think it was to clean up.

It would only take about two seconds to figure out the wet towels weren't working. So even if she didn't know, she would not have gone back to wet more three or four times. That fact alone points to a lie. I don't believe there ever were any wet towels. The few they may have used were dry. Proof is in no watery blood stains on the floor where Darlie bled. You'd have to believe she took her time wetting the towels and ringing them almost dry. In an emergency situation like that, I'd be slopping water everywhere.

I'll tell you when you wet a towel. When baby has a bobo, like a scratch or small scrape. Even if you tried, you couldn't make a wet towel work on the kind of wounds they had. I know because I tried when the cat scratched my dog's ear. He was bleeding like mad. I realized almost immediately that there was too much blood for a wet towel to handle and hollered for a dry one. All this talk about wet towels because she didn't know any better is just part of the cover story. They had to explain away the blood in the sink drain.

II would not have went outside while paramedics took care of my children. I would not have let either one take a last breathe without seeing me as their mom endouraging them they would be alright. Even if I knew they would die I would have told them they would be ok and told them I loved them.
My first child was born when I was 17 and his grandparents were very anxious to have another child. They constantly tried to assume authority with my child. He fell and cutr his chin wide open while we went with them to visit a car dealership. The first thing out of my mouth when my child was hurt was to tell his grandfather to give him to me. I almost passed out when I saw all the blood flow out of his chin. But I got strong to hold my child. I knew he was hurt and needed me. I would never turn my back on him for anything.
You cannot get a mother to stand by when their child is hurt.
For Darlie to have not helped, even if she were in shock, I do not see it.

I totally agree with you. But what I don't understand is why she didn't pretend to feel what most women would feel. Why didn't she put on a big act? Instead she seemed to avoid the boys. Maybe she does have a conscious and just couldn't bear looking at what she had done.

Most parents who lose their temper and hit a child too hard, still love the child very much and often hold them and console them with apologies. So when did Darlie become so dissociated from her boys that she could just erase them out of her life without blinking an eye? Without at least comforting them thru it. Very, very strange.

 

[j2mirish]

I totally agree with you. But what I don't understand is why she didn't pretend to feel what most women would feel. Why didn't she put on a big act? Instead she seemed to avoid the boys. Maybe she does have a conscious and just couldn't bear looking at what she had done.

Most parents who lose their temper and hit a child too hard, still love the child very much and often hold them and console them with apologies. So when did Darlie become so dissociated from her boys that she could just erase them out of her life without blinking an eye? Without at least comforting them thru it. Very, very strange.

I think she couldnt put on the act because she wasnt smart enough-
I dont know which is worse-- the fact she killed them, then just let them lay and bleed, die right in front of her-- or i wonder if my mind it would have been worse that she inflicted the life sucking wounds, then would try to act like she was horrified, and hold and comfort them -- i would hate to have to pick which of the 2 i would think the worst-- what a choice

 

[Goody]

I think she couldnt put on the act because she wasnt smart enough-
I dont know which is worse-- the fact she killed them, then just let them lay and bleed, die right in front of her-- or i wonder if my mind it would have been worse that she inflicted the life sucking wounds, then would try to act like she was horrified, and hold and comfort them -- i would hate to have to pick which of the 2 i would think the worst-- what a choice

From a moral standpoint, most of us would probably say the latter would only add to the horror of the first, but from the viewpoint of a defendant trying to get away with murder, you'd think that she'd know she had to put on a good act. For some reason, she didn't think it was necessary. I find that curious about her. Maybe she just never was very loving to the kids, maybe not very demonstrative. Some people can't provide comfort like that no matter how dire the need is or what people will think of them. If so, I would be willing to bet that somewhere in her growing up years, Darlie detached from her family, probably for self protection or maybe because she was hiding something.

 

[Mama-cita]

It would only take about two seconds to figure out the wet towels weren't working. So even if she didn't know, she would not have gone back to wet more three or four times. That fact alone points to a lie. I don't believe there ever were any wet towels. The few they may have used were dry. Proof is in no watery blood stains on the floor where Darlie bled. You'd have to believe she took her time wetting the towels and ringing them almost dry. In an emergency situation like that, I'd be slopping water everywhere.

I'll tell you when you wet a towel. When baby has a bobo, like a scratch or small scrape. Even if you tried, you couldn't make a wet towel work on the kind of wounds they had. I know because I tried when the cat scratched my dog's ear. He was bleeding like mad. I realized almost immediately that there was too much blood for a wet towel to handle and hollered for a dry one. All this talk about wet towels because she didn't know any better is just part of the cover story. They had to explain away the blood in the sink drain.


I totally agree with you. But what I don't understand is why she didn't pretend to feel what most women would feel. Why didn't she put on a big act? Instead she seemed to avoid the boys. Maybe she does have a conscious and just couldn't bear looking at what she had done.

Most parents who lose their temper and hit a child too hard, still love the child very much and often hold them and console them with apologies. So when did Darlie become so dissociated from her boys that she could just erase them out of her life without blinking an eye? Without at least comforting them thru it. Very, very strange.

Some really EXCELLENT points Goody. Especially the last paragraph. Perhaps she couldn't touch them because she couldn't believe she actually did it. Not that she regretted it, but that it was over, and she was sort of surprised by the whole thing. Part of me thinks perhaps in some sick way she felt justified. I don't know. You keep reading about her histrionic tendencies, for people like that, it has to be about THEM 100% of the time. I just remember that story about Darin's graduation and party and her not getting any attention, then she faked fainting or something to get all eyes back on her? Well if Darin admitted he was having affairs, and agreed to a separation, then she had to get everything back to Darlie again. So she killed the boys. I think after she did it, they concocted their story, but obviously didn't have time to iron out al the details (were his pants on, glasses off, or what? I mean really, even if I was BUTT-naked, if my babies were dying I would not be running upstairs to put on clothes!!!) but I think Darin was there very SOON after the murders.

 

[Goody]

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Ok, so there wasn't even enough to fully analyze. The Darlies love this because they can hang on to the fact that the print could not be run thru the computer for a match. Now suppose a print on the doorknob or door, not a bloody one, just a print was clear enough to analyze, but still there was no match, would that matter? Would that confirm an intruder had been in the house even though the print wasn't bloody?
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It would not confirm it, but it would offer some possibility, depending on how many people known to be in the Routier house over a given time were tested. If they weren't brought in to compare prints, it probably would not carry much weight. Fingerprints can live for a long, long time. It would just give the defense something to point at to support their claims. I would think the state would want to rule it out conclusively, but sometimes they don't. They let the defense either do the testing themselves or not. If I were on a jury, I would be suspicious of a defense that did not do testing on obvious evidence that might free the defendant.

 

[Goody]

Some really EXCELLENT points Goody. Especially the last paragraph. Perhaps she couldn't touch them because she couldn't believe she actually did it. Not that she regretted it, but that it was over, and she was sort of surprised by the whole thing. Part of me thinks perhaps in some sick way she felt justified. I don't know. You keep reading about her histrionic tendencies, for people like that, it has to be about THEM 100% of the time. I just remember that story about Darin's graduation and party and her not getting any attention, then she faked fainting or something to get all eyes back on her? Well if Darin admitted he was having affairs, and agreed to a separation, then she had to get everything back to Darlie again. So she killed the boys. I think after she did it, they concocted their story, but obviously didn't have time to iron out al the details (were his pants on, glasses off, or what? I mean really, even if I was BUTT-naked, if my babies were dying I would not be running upstairs to put on clothes!!!) but I think Darin was there very SOON after the murders.

Personally, I think he was downstairs when the murders occurred. I don't know if that means he knew what was happening or not. I could be wrong, of course, but something about him hearing that shattering wine glass sticks with me. He has always been consistent about that even though it was proven that the sound of screams would not carry upstairs to where he was supposedly sleeping. He couldn't have heard the wine glass break unless he was not in the master bedroom.

I don't think either of them cheated on each other though. Fighting and arguing was just part of their make up. Probably threats to separate or divorce were, too, but I would be very surprised to learn that any of it was serious. Like Darin said, it was all just part of their "emotional bull$hit."

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I don't think either of them cheated on each other though. Fighting and arguing was just part of their make up. Probably threats to separate or divorce were, too, but I would be very surprised to learn that any of it was serious. Like Darin said, it was all just part of their "emotional bull$hit."

I think that given Darlie's "state of mind" during that period of time, she probably thought that something was going on with Darin (i.e. his cheating on her). We know that she was unhappy with her appearance during that time. Its very possible that she had created all sorts of scenarios in her mind.

 

[Goody]

I think that given Darlie's "state of mind" during that period of time, she probably thought that something was going on with Darin (i.e. his cheating on her). We know that she was unhappy with her appearance during that time. Its very possible that she had created all sorts of scenarios in her mind.

I just haven't seen anything that really convinces me of that. None of her friends stepped up to the plate to show any patterns except Basia, and if Basia is correct, her problem was more likely related to PPD than any threats to divorce. Besides, look at Darin now. Does he strike you as the kind of guy who would seriously leave his wife if he can't even leave her now? I think Darlie had him pretty much wrapped around her finger, but I don't think he was into doing much around the house normally or helping out with the kids. Most of the time he seemed to try to placate her, but it was done in a patronizing way. I don't think he took any of her problems seriously, not unlike Rusty Yates.

There might have been some minor jealousies batted back and forth, little selfish arguments that most young couples have, etc., and maybe even threats to separate, but I think they both thought it would never come to divorce. I will bet most of their differences were over money; the acquisition of it and the spending of it. Everything else was minor in comparison.

 

[j2mirish]

I just haven't seen anything that really convinces me of that. None of her friends stepped up to the plate to show any patterns except Basia, and if Basia is correct, her problem was more likely related to PPD than any threats to divorce. Besides, look at Darin now. Does he strike you as the kind of guy who would seriously leave his wife if he can't even leave her now? I think Darlie had him pretty much wrapped around her finger, but I don't think he was into doing much around the house normally or helping out with the kids. Most of the time he seemed to try to placate her, but it was done in a patronizing way. I don't think he took any of her problems seriously, not unlike Rusty Yates.

I will bet most of their differences were over money; the acquisition of it and the spending of it. Everything else was minor in comparison.

I believe he hasnt divorced her because he had more of a role in the murders, than we think-

Rusty may have realized she had problems, but he certainly didnt do ENOUGH to take care of them- he should be behind bars right along with her- imo he is at more fault than her for those baibes being drowned- and he WAS a rocket scientist-

Now that she killed the kids--- was do you suppose he considers minor in comparison?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I just haven't seen anything that really convinces me of that. None of her friends stepped up to the plate to show any patterns except Basia, and if Basia is correct, her problem was more likely related to PPD than any threats to divorce. Besides, look at Darin now. Does he strike you as the kind of guy who would seriously leave his wife if he can't even leave her now? I think Darlie had him pretty much wrapped around her finger, but I don't think he was into doing much around the house normally or helping out with the kids. Most of the time he seemed to try to placate her, but it was done in a patronizing way. I don't think he took any of her problems seriously, not unlike Rusty Yates.

There might have been some minor jealousies batted back and forth, little selfish arguments that most young couples have, etc., and maybe even threats to separate, but I think they both thought it would never come to divorce. I will bet most of their differences were over money; the acquisition of it and the spending of it. Everything else was minor in comparison.

I don't think that Darin ever did it either. I just think that in Darlie's state of mind at the time, she dreamed up all sorts of things in her brain that weren't true. I think he was probably stressed to the max about his failing business and the other stresses of life that three young children can make parents feel and Darlie's crap on top of it probably just wore a little thin. I could see a guy whose been faced with her dramatics for years finally just saying "fine, let's separate."

 

[Goody]

I don't think that Darin ever did it either. I just think that in Darlie's state of mind at the time, she dreamed up all sorts of things in her brain that weren't true. I think he was probably stressed to the max about his failing business and the other stresses of life that three young children can make parents feel and Darlie's crap on top of it probably just wore a little thin. I could see a guy whose been faced with her dramatics for years finally just saying "fine, let's separate."

Ah, but that is not seeing HIM as equally dramatic, which I do. I mean, what kind of guy snorts up all five (was it?) lines of his birthday cocaine before his wife can have any? Sorry, DP, but there is more to Darin than just "doofus."

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Ah, but that is not seeing HIM as equally dramatic, which I do. I mean, what kind of guy snorts up all five (was it?) lines of his birthday cocaine before his wife can have any? Sorry, DP, but there is more to Darin than just "doofus."

What kind of guy has a wife who buys him cocaine for his birthday? :loser:

 

[j2mirish]

What kind of guy has a wife who buys him cocaine for his birthday? :loser:

the kind that covers up for her when she kills their kids?

 

[Mama-cita]

the kind that covers up for her when she kills their kids?

Stop it you guys, I need a Depends now! Actually it's too late for that! ROFL!!!!
Pardon my ignorance about the cocaine references, as I seem to be out of the loop, would anyone care to enlighten me?

 

[j2mirish]

Stop it you guys, I need a Depends now! Actually it's too late for that! ROFL!!!!
Pardon my ignorance about the cocaine references, as I seem to be out of the loop, would anyone care to enlighten me?

without going back thru it all- i am wondering if this is the same party darlie decided she wasnt getting enough attention and decided to cry she had been raped? if it was, i didnt think they were married yet...so this must be another fabulous occasion they put together............:bang:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

without going back thru it all- i am wondering if this is the same party darlie decided she wasnt getting enough attention and decided to cry she had been raped? if it was, i didnt think they were married yet...so this must be another fabulous occasion they put together............:bang:

I think they're two separate incidents. The "rape" thing was, I believe, a graduation party or something similar. The rumor is that the attention was on Darin, Darlie hated that and wanted to leave. He didn't want to leave. So, Darlie walked home. Apparently, Darin didn't follow her, as was her plan, so she came up with the rape story.

I'm wondering at this point if her mind can even distinguish the difference between the truth and the lies she's been telling for so long.

 

[Goody]

Stop it you guys, I need a Depends now! Actually it's too late for that! ROFL!!!!
Pardon my ignorance about the cocaine references, as I seem to be out of the loop, would anyone care to enlighten me?

If I remember correctly, it is in one of the books. Supposedly Darlie told one of the detectives that she had gotten Darin x-number of lines of cocaine for his birthday and he snorted them all up or most of it up before she had a chance to get any. She is said to have been really peeved about it.

I was thinking, Wow, he's lucky he didn't kill himself, esp if he wasn't used to snorting it regularly. Then I mused, maybe it wasn't new to them. That kept me occupied for a bit, but there is no information on it available . I sure wish their friends would start talking.

 

[Goody]

I'm wondering at this point if her mind can even distinguish the difference between the truth and the lies she's been telling for so long.

Of course, it can. The mind forgets lies. The truth, however, sticks like glue.

 

[tezi]

The Babs Davis book said he did eight lines.

I need Depends too, you guys are cracking me up tonight.