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[rashomon]

It is the R's post death behaviour that has me convinced they were involved in the death of their daughter.

We heard alllll about when they found JB, PR's hysterics, wailing, flinging herself on the body etc- but when it came to leave- they just upped and walked out- just like that.
No wailing, no clinging to the body, nothing- just left quietly...why?
Because they just wanted out of there, out of the nightmare of the night before and away from the daughter who they themselves put there in that position..

And get away from the police: "let's get out of here before anyone starts asking questions ...!"

 

[rashomon]

Great post Ames. I never thought of that. Fleet White did say "call an ambulance". So you are right, I would have thought "she's alive" and come running. She did not though, did she.

Very astute observation, Ames. Great post !

 

[Ames]

:clap: :clap: Can I get an AMEN!!

LOL thanks!!!

 

[Solace]

LOL thanks!!!

That is why these boards are good. Sometimes something like Ames' observation happens and it just reinforces what we believe. Really good observation Ames. It is right in front of us and I did not even think of that. Thank you. Thank you again. She knew she was dead.

 

[Ames]

Great post Ames. I never thought of that. Fleet White did say "call an ambulance". So you are right, I would have thought "she's alive" and come running. She did not though, did she.

As far as I know, she didn't even INQUIRE as to whether "THAT child" was alive or dead. She just stayed seated on her lazy butt. If I heard someone say..."call an ambulance"...I would automatically think that someone was hurt. Hurt...BUT ALIVE. Patsy knew all along that JB was dead, so she didn't have to get up and run down the hall, and scream down to John..."OH MY GOD JOHN...is she alive?" Which is what she would have done IF she had of had ANY doubt WHATSOEVER. She knew....

 

[Solace]

As far as I know, she didn't even INQUIRE as to whether "THAT child" was alive or dead. She just stayed seated on her lazy butt. If I heard someone say..."call an ambulance"...I would automatically think that someone was hurt. Hurt...BUT ALIVE. Patsy knew all along that JB was dead, so she didn't have to get up and run down the hall, and scream down to John..."OH MY GOD JOHN...is she alive?" Which is what she would have done IF she had of had ANY doubt WHATSOEVER. She knew....

I just called my son up and said if your child were missing and your friends were looking and someone came in yelling "call an amburlance", what would you do.

His answer: I would be praying that she was not hurt too bad, but I would be running to see her.

 

[Solace]

As far as I know, she didn't even INQUIRE as to whether "THAT child" was alive or dead. She just stayed seated on her lazy butt. If I heard someone say..."call an ambulance"...I would automatically think that someone was hurt. Hurt...BUT ALIVE. Patsy knew all along that JB was dead, so she didn't have to get up and run down the hall, and scream down to John..."OH MY GOD JOHN...is she alive?" Which is what she would have done IF she had of had ANY doubt WHATSOEVER. She knew....

Must have been a little frightening though, sitting there thinking "she looked dead to me".

 

[Ames]

And get away from the police: "let's get out of here before anyone starts asking questions ...!"

They wanted to BLOW THAT JOINT....so to speak. Get the heck outta Dodge...Blow that Popsicle stand....make like a tree and LEAVE....I personally think they were planning on skipping the country. Then they realized that they didn't have to, because the BPD had bungled the case so bad...and they let people come in and contaminate everything...and not to mention...let Pam come in and wipe the evidence out. So, WHY should they leave after all of that? They knew that thanks to the Keystone Barney Fife Cops...they would NEVER be prosecuted. And by golly...it looks like they were right.

 

[Ames]

Very astute observation, Ames. Great post !

Thank you Rashomon...every now and then..I come up with a good observation or idea. Its not very often, though...LOL

 

[Ames]

That is why these boards are good. Sometimes something like Ames' observation happens and it just reinforces what we believe. Really good observation Ames. It is right in front of us and I did not even think of that. Thank you. Thank you again. She knew she was dead.

WOW...thank YOU.

Oh yeah, she definately KNEW she was dead. No doubt about it.....

 

[Ames]

I just called my son up and said if your child were missing and your friends were looking and someone came in yelling "call an amburlance", what would you do.

His answer: I would be praying that she was not hurt too bad, but I would be running to see her.

That's what I would be doing too. If my child was missing....and I heard my husband say, "I found her"...and then someone else say "call an ambulance"...I wouldn't automatically think that she was dead, especially since she was found in the house.

 

[Ames]

Must have been a little frightening though, sitting there thinking "she looked dead to me".

Yep, imagne what was going through Patsy's mind...while her butt sat on the couch...and she heard..."call an AMBULANCE". Bet she thought...."UH OH...THAT child is going to tell everything that she knows...and we are going to end up in jail afterall....our plan failed".

 

[narlacat]

And get away from the police: "let's get out of here before anyone starts asking questions ...!"

Yes, they must have known that was coming and needed time to collaborate their stories...

 

[coloradokares]

Yes, they must have known that was coming and needed time to collaborate their stories...

Ironically they still got all the time they wanted... just not in Charlevoix. Just like with OJ

 

[Credence]

As far as I know, she didn't even INQUIRE as to whether "THAT child" was alive or dead. She just stayed seated on her lazy butt. If I heard someone say..."call an ambulance"...I would automatically think that someone was hurt. Hurt...BUT ALIVE. Patsy knew all along that JB was dead, so she didn't have to get up and run down the hall, and scream down to John..."OH MY GOD JOHN...is she alive?" Which is what she would have done IF she had of had ANY doubt WHATSOEVER. She knew....

Some people freeze in stressful situations. Doesn't indicate guilt or non-guilt but fear of the unknown.

 

[Credence]

What you consider rumor or inuendo could well be facts that were uncovered in interveiw after interview. In the end does it even matter why JonBenet had to be seen 30 times at the doctors. That is alot for any child that age if they don't have a chronic or serious illness. When its soiling or wetting related it triggers most doctors to find out why. It is known in the medical as well as LE community that is a sign that should throw up red flag. And I was told that by a sexual abuse expert. JMHO again. I am not in any way trying to spread any further rumor or speculation You believe Thomas and his supporters or you believe Lou's intruder theory...just saying don't ignore facts. Alot was uncovered in interviews that kept the Ramseys to this day the focus of the investigation and to think it was simple persecution is as ludicrous and without sense as anything else. Remember they have given this case alot of fresh eyes..... Nothing yet has produced enough evidence to warrant removing the Ramseys from the suspect list. Well that is deceptive ... actually they are the suspect list unless you really want to keep riding the Michael Tracy Train. JMK.

Those 30 visits were between 1990 and 1996 (six-year period). That is hardly alot of visits and certainly not enough to throw up a "red flag.
1990

8-06: JonBenet Ramsey born at Northside Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia

1991

12-06: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for fever, cough and wheezing

1992

?

1993

1-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for ear infection

8-31: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf

9-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf (diarrhea)

11-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for cough and stuffy nose

1994

1-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for bad breath, cough, congestion

?: JonBenet Ramsey hit on cheek with golf club by brother Burke

2-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf, suggested by Nedra Paugh

4-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for pain during urination (advised no bubble baths for JonBenet Ramsey)

5-18: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for allergic rhinitis, earache

10-5: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for routine physical (notes bedwetting)

10-5: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for scar left by golf club

10-?: JonBenet Ramsey to plastic surgeon in Denver for scar

11-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for diarrhea and lethargy

1995

1-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for chickenpox

2-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for cough and temperature

2-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for abdominal pain and fever

4-?: JonBenet Ramsey had cough but refused examination

5-08: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for fall on nose at Alfalfa Food Mart

12-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for fall hitting head above left eye

1996

3-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for coughing

6-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for fall bending fingernail on left hand

8-27: JonBenet and Burke Ramsey routine physicals with Dr. Beuf

9-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for coughing

10-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for stuffy nose and bad breath

11-12: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for sinus infection

2-03: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Marilyn Dougherty for eyesight check

12-17: Patsy Ramsey called Dr. Beuf three times (reason unknown)

 

[coloradokares]

Those 30 visits were between 1990 and 1996 (six-year period). That is hardly alot of visits and certainly not enough to throw up a "red flag.
1990

8-06: JonBenet Ramsey born at Northside Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia

1991

12-06: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for fever, cough and wheezing

1992

?

1993

1-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for ear infection

8-31: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf

9-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf (diarrhea)

11-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for cough and stuffy nose

1994

1-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for bad breath, cough, congestion

?: JonBenet Ramsey hit on cheek with golf club by brother Burke

2-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf, suggested by Nedra Paugh

4-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for pain during urination (advised no bubble baths for JonBenet Ramsey)

5-18: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for allergic rhinitis, earache

10-5: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for routine physical (notes bedwetting)

10-5: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for scar left by golf club

10-?: JonBenet Ramsey to plastic surgeon in Denver for scar

11-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for diarrhea and lethargy

1995

1-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for chickenpox

2-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for cough and temperature

2-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for abdominal pain and fever

4-?: JonBenet Ramsey had cough but refused examination

5-08: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for fall on nose at Alfalfa Food Mart

12-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for fall hitting head above left eye

1996

3-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for coughing

6-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for fall bending fingernail on left hand

8-27: JonBenet and Burke Ramsey routine physicals with Dr. Beuf

9-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for coughing

10-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for stuffy nose and bad breath

11-12: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for sinus infection

2-03: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Marilyn Dougherty for eyesight check

12-17: Patsy Ramsey called Dr. Beuf three times (reason unknown)

Even if it was 6 years not the 30 times to Dr. Beuf I read in an article about. it is not as concerning but still. We know how manytimes she was seen for wetting and soiling issues that produced some irritation and yeast etc. That in and of itself isn't a total red flag. But it starts some concern I'd of wanted to know WHY the wetting and soiling at age 6. That is a flag.

 

[coloradokares]

Those 30 visits were between 1990 and 1996 (six-year period). That is hardly alot of visits and certainly not enough to throw up a "red flag.
1990

8-06: JonBenet Ramsey born at Northside Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia

1991

12-06: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for fever, cough and wheezing

1992

?

1993

1-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for ear infection

8-31: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf

9-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf (diarrhea)

11-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for cough and stuffy nose

1994

1-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for bad breath, cough, congestion

?: JonBenet Ramsey hit on cheek with golf club by brother Burke

2-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf, suggested by Nedra Paugh

4-?: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for pain during urination (advised no bubble baths for JonBenet Ramsey)

5-18: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for allergic rhinitis, earache

10-5: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for routine physical (notes bedwetting)

10-5: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for scar left by golf club

10-?: JonBenet Ramsey to plastic surgeon in Denver for scar

11-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for diarrhea and lethargy

1995

1-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for chickenpox

2-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for cough and temperature

2-01: JonBenet Ramsey seen by Dr. Beuf for abdominal pain and fever

4-?: JonBenet Ramsey had cough but refused examination

5-08: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for fall on nose at Alfalfa Food Mart

12-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for fall hitting head above left eye

1996

3-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for coughing

6-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for fall bending fingernail on left hand

8-27: JonBenet and Burke Ramsey routine physicals with Dr. Beuf

9-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for coughing

10-?: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for stuffy nose and bad breath

11-12: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Beuf for sinus infection

2-03: JonBenet Ramsey to Dr. Marilyn Dougherty for eyesight check

12-17: Patsy Ramsey called Dr. Beuf three times (reason unknown)

Did you not all but 2 were for visits from 93 forward on your list.....?

 

[Ames]

Some people freeze in stressful situations. Doesn't indicate guilt or non-guilt but fear of the unknown.

Sorry, but...if I had of heard "I FOUND HER!" and then "CALL AN AMBULANCE"...and my daughter had been missing for hours, and I had been sitting on the couch looking at photos of her, with my friends... and she was found IN THE HOUSE....I was assume that she was okay....maybe hurt....but, not dead. Dead would not be the first thing that popped into my mind...and I would be jumping up and running in her direction. I believe that 99 percent of the population would react the same way that I would.

 

[Ames]

Did you not all but 2 were for visits from 93 forward on your list.....?

Good point...the older she got...the more frequently she visited the dr. Usually, its the other way around. Younger children get sicker more often....because its harder for them to fight it off.